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Yeah me too. I think we need at least 1 monster. Just not the two we previously had.SeeBee101 wrote:As i've said in previous posts, I think our lack of size in the middle will ensure teams make even more metres. Worrying signs....
Except that's not what is being argued or has been said at all.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑February 27, 2019, 2:14 pm Field position is important and I can't agree with any argument that says it isn't. So you put in work pushing the opposition back towards their try line in your attacking set and the half finds touch at the 10m. What's the point of doing this if you allow the opposition to march you back to your 20m line in the following set? I see this happen to the Raiders all the time - we put in a great attacking set, push them back to their try line, and somehow the opposition then march us back up the other end of the field and force a repeat set... we put ourselves under pressure time and time again through laziness and then wonder why we can't close out tight games. And then people here suggest that field position and containing your opposition doesn't matter... remarkable.
PigRickman wrote:Check and mate.Brew wrote: ↑February 27, 2019, 10:23 amPigRickman wrote:Hit the bricks, BrewskiThe Rickman wrote: ↑February 26, 2019, 3:46 pmWell you're obviously not Ricky's biggest fan anymore Brew... MOVE ASIDE!!Brew wrote: ↑February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.
Please prove me wrong.
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The Rickman and PigRickman are moving in, pal.
Change your pic to one with Ricky then we will talk.
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Ricky is making some major **** moves this year and i for one am complete behind him. He's nailed this off season. Perfect.
Agreed. The bigger concern is Stuart's inability to successfully develop a half over the past 15 years. But apparently he'll get it right this year?Woodgers wrote:I don't know if Wighton at 6 is going to work out, I have been saying since about the middle of last season why I think it makes sense but essentially it could backfire. I've given my reasons why I think it may result in more wins.
What absolutely makes me facepalm is commentary that we tried it 5 years ago so it couldn't possible work. I mean, surely it is possible for even the simplest mind to consider that a player that played and dominated a lot of junior footy in that position might also struggle in that position at first grade level in a very ordinary side. Then said player moved to fullback where he worked on his ballplaying and creating numbers and overlaps so has improved that aspect, but also stood 30 metres behind the defensive line observing how good playmakers exploit holes and weaknesses to give him a tough day directing traffic back there. And he's bigger and stronger since his first stint. Is he a better 5/8 than fullback or centre? I'm not sure. But I find it absolutely absurd that anyone would rule out him not being successful at 5/8 based on what they saw 5 years ago. That's thoughtless to me, players develop and Jack isn't even 30 so he's on the up not the down.
top quality posting imo, WoodgersWoodgers wrote: ↑February 27, 2019, 8:28 pm I don't know if Wighton at 6 is going to work out, I have been saying since about the middle of last season why I think it makes sense but essentially it could backfire. I've given my reasons why I think it may result in more wins.
What absolutely makes me facepalm is commentary that we tried it 5 years ago so it couldn't possible work. I mean, surely it is possible for even the simplest mind to consider that a player that played and dominated a lot of junior footy in that position might also struggle in that position at first grade level in a very ordinary side. Then said player moved to fullback where he worked on his ballplaying and creating numbers and overlaps so has improved that aspect, but also stood 30 metres behind the defensive line observing how good playmakers exploit holes and weaknesses to give him a tough day directing traffic back there. And he's bigger and stronger since his first stint. Is he a better 5/8 than fullback or centre? I'm not sure. But I find it absolutely absurd that anyone would rule out him not being successful at 5/8 based on what they saw 5 years ago. That's thoughtless to me, players develop and Jack isn't even 30 so he's on the up not the down.
I want to second that, he was starting in a team that had run it's course.luke wrote: ↑February 28, 2019, 8:39 amtop quality posting imo, WoodgersWoodgers wrote: ↑February 27, 2019, 8:28 pm I don't know if Wighton at 6 is going to work out, I have been saying since about the middle of last season why I think it makes sense but essentially it could backfire. I've given my reasons why I think it may result in more wins.
What absolutely makes me facepalm is commentary that we tried it 5 years ago so it couldn't possible work. I mean, surely it is possible for even the simplest mind to consider that a player that played and dominated a lot of junior footy in that position might also struggle in that position at first grade level in a very ordinary side. Then said player moved to fullback where he worked on his ballplaying and creating numbers and overlaps so has improved that aspect, but also stood 30 metres behind the defensive line observing how good playmakers exploit holes and weaknesses to give him a tough day directing traffic back there. And he's bigger and stronger since his first stint. Is he a better 5/8 than fullback or centre? I'm not sure. But I find it absolutely absurd that anyone would rule out him not being successful at 5/8 based on what they saw 5 years ago. That's thoughtless to me, players develop and Jack isn't even 30 so he's on the up not the down.
He's ABSOLUTELY going to get it right this year, gergRickreg!!gergreg wrote: ↑February 28, 2019, 5:17 amAgreed. The bigger concern is Stuart's inability to successfully develop a half over the past 15 years. But apparently he'll get it right this year?Woodgers wrote:I don't know if Wighton at 6 is going to work out, I have been saying since about the middle of last season why I think it makes sense but essentially it could backfire. I've given my reasons why I think it may result in more wins.
What absolutely makes me facepalm is commentary that we tried it 5 years ago so it couldn't possible work. I mean, surely it is possible for even the simplest mind to consider that a player that played and dominated a lot of junior footy in that position might also struggle in that position at first grade level in a very ordinary side. Then said player moved to fullback where he worked on his ballplaying and creating numbers and overlaps so has improved that aspect, but also stood 30 metres behind the defensive line observing how good playmakers exploit holes and weaknesses to give him a tough day directing traffic back there. And he's bigger and stronger since his first stint. Is he a better 5/8 than fullback or centre? I'm not sure. But I find it absolutely absurd that anyone would rule out him not being successful at 5/8 based on what they saw 5 years ago. That's thoughtless to me, players develop and Jack isn't even 30 so he's on the up not the down.
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Austin and Williams KILLED us last year, no ifs and buts about it
Yep, Stuart has absolutely killed it with everything he's done over the off-season, and it's showed in both trials. Big season ahead!PigRickman wrote: ↑February 28, 2019, 11:49 amAustin and Williams KILLED us last year, no ifs and buts about it
You can talk about the middles, you can talk about missing Hodgson, you can talk about Sezer... but for all the faults and issues with the team, we had what? 4-5 games that we were in position to win and should have won, and lost because Blake Austin and to a lesser extent, Sam Williams cant defend their line
We lost AT LEAST 8 competition points, if not 10-12. That's totally different season we're talking about here.
Rick saw it first hand and like any good coach he's made the right adjustment.
He's really nailed this
The Rickman wrote:Yep, Stuart has absolutely killed it with everything he's done over the off-season, and it's showed in both trials. Big season ahead!PigRickman wrote: ↑February 28, 2019, 11:49 amAustin and Williams KILLED us last year, no ifs and buts about it
You can talk about the middles, you can talk about missing Hodgson, you can talk about Sezer... but for all the faults and issues with the team, we had what? 4-5 games that we were in position to win and should have won, and lost because Blake Austin and to a lesser extent, Sam Williams cant defend their line
We lost AT LEAST 8 competition points, if not 10-12. That's totally different season we're talking about here.
Rick saw it first hand and like any good coach he's made the right adjustment.
He's really nailed this
I really hope this move to 6 for Wighton will be good!!! Hope it’s not another development year.For Wighton, it'll most definitely be a development year - I think just in the trials we've seen that.Ilanraiders wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 8:55 am Patience patience patience
Of course you do Team_RickT_R wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 9:07 amFor Wighton, it'll most definitely be a development year - I think just in the trials we've seen that.Ilanraiders wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 8:55 am Patience patience patience
But I still think he's our best option in the #6
Fullback to 5/8 is probably less of a stretch these days than it would have once beenNorthern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:03 am Normally you would say its too late in Wighton's career to be 'developing' as he's been around for ages. Thing is he's only just turned 26 and still has plenty of years ahead. Same age Lockyer switched to 5/8 I believe.
Question is how long do you give him? Lockyer was an instant success, which came as no real surprise.
In some respects yes. Biggest differences are you play primarily left or right, get your hands on the ball earlier and more tactical kicking is required. You are the ball player starting the moves rather than being the link man. With the Lockyer transition they wasn't much question about his game management ability. It more his ability to handle the increase defensive workload. With Jack it would be the other way round.T_R wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:10 amFullback to 5/8 is probably less of a stretch these days than it would have once beenNorthern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:03 am Normally you would say its too late in Wighton's career to be 'developing' as he's been around for ages. Thing is he's only just turned 26 and still has plenty of years ahead. Same age Lockyer switched to 5/8 I believe.
Question is how long do you give him? Lockyer was an instant success, which came as no real surprise.
And after a couple of rounds when he realises the mediocrity of the last 3 years was not an anomaly, that confidence will be taken away again.
In the modern times of split halves, FBs play what would be considered the 2nd receiver or traditional 5/8 role of yesteryear. We have seen what Jack can do with ball in hand, esp down the left edge from FB. The 2nd half of the trial vs the Dogs was proof that its still there. We have also seen him tackle from FB. I think the transition will be better this time around. However, only time will tell.Northern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:44 amIn some respects yes. Biggest differences are you play primarily left or right, get your hands on the ball earlier and more tactical kicking is required. You are the ball player starting the moves rather than being the link man. With the Lockyer transition they wasn't much question about his game management ability. It more his ability to handle the increase defensive workload. With Jack it would be the other way round.T_R wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:10 amFullback to 5/8 is probably less of a stretch these days than it would have once beenNorthern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:03 am Normally you would say its too late in Wighton's career to be 'developing' as he's been around for ages. Thing is he's only just turned 26 and still has plenty of years ahead. Same age Lockyer switched to 5/8 I believe.
Question is how long do you give him? Lockyer was an instant success, which came as no real surprise.
I don't think skill set is a concern, I think decision making under pressure is.Matt wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 12:15 pmIn the modern times of split halves, FBs play what would be considered the 2nd receiver or traditional 5/8 role of yesteryear. We have seen what Jack can do with ball in hand, esp down the left edge from FB. The 2nd half of the trial vs the Dogs was proof that its still there. We have also seen him tackle from FB. I think the transition will be better this time around. However, only time will tell.Northern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:44 amIn some respects yes. Biggest differences are you play primarily left or right, get your hands on the ball earlier and more tactical kicking is required. You are the ball player starting the moves rather than being the link man. With the Lockyer transition they wasn't much question about his game management ability. It more his ability to handle the increase defensive workload. With Jack it would be the other way round.T_R wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:10 amFullback to 5/8 is probably less of a stretch these days than it would have once beenNorthern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:03 am Normally you would say its too late in Wighton's career to be 'developing' as he's been around for ages. Thing is he's only just turned 26 and still has plenty of years ahead. Same age Lockyer switched to 5/8 I believe.
Question is how long do you give him? Lockyer was an instant success, which came as no real surprise.
Lockyer was recognised as a top 3 player in the game at the stage of his move, with a heap of rep experience already. Wighton would be somewhere around the top 70 or 80 I'd imagine.Northern Raider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 10:03 am Normally you would say its too late in Wighton's career to be 'developing' as he's been around for ages. Thing is he's only just turned 26 and still has plenty of years ahead. Same age Lockyer switched to 5/8 I believe.
Question is how long do you give him? Lockyer was an instant success, which came as no real surprise.
This I completely agree with. There's a panic reaction to Wighton that other teams will be licking their lips over.Coastalraider wrote: ↑March 4, 2019, 12:27 pm Its not a lack of skill that gets Jack to pass a cutout to the 3rd row of the grandstand, and kick a ball dead from 20 mts out, drop a sitter bomb - its general lack of 'calmness'. While he looked to have these issues ironed out at fullback, it took a couple of years for him to grow into the role. My concern is that it will take him a similar time to adjust to his new role of setting up plays and kicks, rather than being a link within.