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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 11, 2019, 10:48 pm
by Lui_Bon
mamando wrote:
February 11, 2019, 10:22 pm
Lui_Bon wrote:
February 11, 2019, 9:57 pm
Sid wrote:
February 11, 2019, 9:37 pm
Only just dawned on me that both Sezer and Wighton are left handed/footed so I guess from a kicking point of view it doesn’t matter which side each are predominantly on, so I’m thinking Wighton will mostly be on the left hand side (often chiming in on the right as 2nd receiver on attacking plays too)
I've always wondered about this, because I've never seen why it would matter what foot you kicked off - if Wighton is left footed, he can play on the right and the natural curl will be off towards the right wing. Except that Hodgson as a right footer clearly spears it off the laces so it also curls towards the right wing.

Someone with a bigger brain might correct me but it isn't necessarily what foot you kick it with, but what part of the foot you kick it with and what kick you use that determines where the ball goes.

Which leads me to suggest that Sezer will stay on the left and Jack will just be Austin on the right. With a better tackle...
There’s a reason why teams kick to the same touchline as the side of the ruck they take the pass on - angles, and power. Kicking across your body or back across the ruck loses you distance, and increases chances of a charge down. And the risk of kicking with the “wrong” foot (ie. sezer standing on the right side of the ruck and kicking left footed towards the right touchline) increases your chances of our on the full if you get it a bit off the instep.

If the raiders had any football brains and planned their sets coming out of their own end (you know, just like how we are so great at setting up for field goals), they would ideally finish their 5th tackle on the right side of the field for a long kick off the left side of the ruck.

But in terms of playmaking - i would be extremely surprised if Jack isn’t on the left. He’s already playing out of position, we’ve seen he’s not anywhere near as comfortable chiming into backline moves and setting up his outside teammates in the right.
Yes, I can see why you'd want to kick to the same side of the field as you are going towards anyway (ie, on the same side as you are playing away from the ruck - why would you go back against the grain?) and does that account for Hodgson invariably kicking for the right touchline with his right foot - which he clearly doesn't do if he's too far over to the left of the ruck. He seems to be obviously kicking to get a bit of offspin towards the touchline.

However, if Wighton is left footed, I'd have actually thought he'd be best off kicking a normal drop punt to the right sideline, but you are saying that that can lead to him hooking it chronically? Different sized footballs doing different things...

Then again, too, Wighton's clearly more comfortable passing to the left than the right (is he also right-handed?) so if Sezer is ok with defending between Tapine and Joey, then get him out on that right side since he can pass both ways - I was thinking more that he seemed comfortable on the left between Croker and Paps but Papalli will be in the middle anyway...

This is why I'm not a coach. Or in any way knowledgeable...

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 11, 2019, 10:51 pm
by Lui_Bon
and just seeing Blake Austin's "defence" against the Broncos in rd 16 last year on foxtel. Anyone who can tackle could take his position, please.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 12, 2019, 8:45 am
by boydy80
Gross..... That is all.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 12, 2019, 11:58 pm
by zim
greeneyed wrote:
February 11, 2019, 2:17 pm
New Canberra Raiders five-eighth Jack Wighton focussing on kicking

Standing at 189 centimetres, slotting back into the defensive line has been pretty easy for Jack Wighton, but it's been his kicking game that's been his major focus in returning to the Canberra Raiders' five-eighth role.

"That's been one of my main focuses is my kick. If I can build a confident game around my kick then everything else will be fine off the back of that," he said. "Defence hasn't been too much of a problem. It's actually been quite fun being back in the line so looking forward to it."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 50wyo.html
Interesting that there's zero mention of Abbey being in the mix to replace Wighton. Might just be an oversight.
I wouldn't pick him over Nuk but you'd think he would be 2nd choice, or at least 3rd with 2nd being Wighton at fullback and Sammy in the halves.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 23, 2019, 4:13 pm
by Canberra Milk
Ricky still thinks it's 1989 where you can just move your athletic centre (Daley) to five eighth and it will work. I don't see how you can have a "running" five-eighth in the modern left/right halves system. Keary is maybe as close as it gets but it's still a far cry from what the Daleys and Barretts were

I also think there's big concerns about whether your hooker can be your chief playmaker. Does everyone forget Hodgson's tiresome crash balls from 2017? You can only do so much from that position. Cameron Smith does a lot of organising from hooker but is not the Storm's playmaker

At least it should help in defence as people have mentioned. Wighton is a great defender and Sezer decent too, so there'll be no scapegoat anymore if the defence goes to sht.

We'll see. This might be the last roll of the dice that Sticky gets

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 23, 2019, 7:00 pm
by BadnMean
He's decided that in his time as FB, Wighton developed his ball playing. He was great at the left sweep as a FB. We saw some evidence of that in the 2nd half today when he took some nice decisions and threw a few pretty cutouts for tries. We also saw in the first half that he struggled when pressured. Time will tell if that was rust or he's not going to be up to it.

Austin was a "running" 5/8. So it's not a huge leap to want to try a guy who might run almost as effectively as Austin most days, but defend a lot better.

Hodgo is a creative player, that's not a worry, at the moment I'm interested to see whether Sezer can create something.

It is a last roll of the dice really.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 23, 2019, 7:30 pm
by greeneyed
zim wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
February 11, 2019, 2:17 pm
New Canberra Raiders five-eighth Jack Wighton focussing on kicking

Standing at 189 centimetres, slotting back into the defensive line has been pretty easy for Jack Wighton, but it's been his kicking game that's been his major focus in returning to the Canberra Raiders' five-eighth role.

"That's been one of my main focuses is my kick. If I can build a confident game around my kick then everything else will be fine off the back of that," he said. "Defence hasn't been too much of a problem. It's actually been quite fun being back in the line so looking forward to it."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/ ... 50wyo.html
Interesting that there's zero mention of Abbey being in the mix to replace Wighton. Might just be an oversight.
I wouldn't pick him over Nuk but you'd think he would be 2nd choice, or at least 3rd with 2nd being Wighton at fullback and Sammy in the halves.
I can only assume he’s out of favour.


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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 23, 2019, 7:52 pm
by LP Raider
Kudos to him, those cut out passes were thrown from his wrong side. Very impressive.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 23, 2019, 8:25 pm
by Neeeegz
Looks like he did enough for round 1, sezer to Mounties and Williams 7 for mine on trial form

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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 11:05 am
by legend
Wighton is a train wreck at five eighth. Shows the level of Stuart's creativity. Rehash a failed initiative from season's past and hope that a. no one notices b. Wighton is some sort of rabbit's foot or c. The criticism of Wighton leads to EDIT and we buy another pom with the spare cash.

I vote C.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:08 pm
by zim
legend wrote:
February 26, 2019, 11:05 am
Wighton is a train wreck at five eighth. Shows the level of Stuart's creativity. Rehash a failed initiative from season's past and hope that a. no one notices b. Wighton is some sort of rabbit's foot or c. The criticism of Wighton leads to EDIT and we buy another pom with the spare cash.

I vote C.
What did you think of his trial performance?

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:23 pm
by simo
Im looking forward to watching jack at 6.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
by The Rickman
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:34 pm
by Rickmando
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
Based on?

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:40 pm
by The Rickman
mamando wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:34 pm
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
Based on?
It's his sixth season at the club and he's never had a sixth season at a club before. His career trajectory at any one club tends to go as follows:

Years 1 to 3: good, starting to trend down at the end
Years 4 and 5: mediocre to poor, tends to lose the playing group, often collects a spoon
Year 6: profit??

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 12:43 pm
by El_Capitano
Hot take - Wighton will be good at 6!


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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 1:01 pm
by Timbo
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:40 pm
mamando wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:34 pm
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
Based on?
It's his sixth season at the club and he's never had a sixth season at a club before. His career trajectory at any one club tends to go as follows:

Years 1 to 3: good, starting to trend down at the end
Years 4 and 5: mediocre to poor, tends to lose the playing group, often collects a spoon
Year 6: profit??
I like it!

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 1:28 pm
by Rickmando
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:40 pm
mamando wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:34 pm
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
Based on?
It's his sixth season at the club and he's never had a sixth season at a club before. His career trajectory at any one club tends to go as follows:

Years 1 to 3: good, starting to trend down at the end
Years 4 and 5: mediocre to poor, tends to lose the playing group, often collects a spoon
Year 6: profit??
Haha, profit indeed. He might have to consider stealing underpants as a career change if he doesn’t deliver this year

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:19 pm
by legend
zim wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:08 pm
legend wrote:
February 26, 2019, 11:05 am
Wighton is a train wreck at five eighth. Shows the level of Stuart's creativity. Rehash a failed initiative from season's past and hope that a. no one notices b. Wighton is some sort of rabbit's foot or c. The criticism of Wighton leads to EDIT and we buy another pom with the spare cash.

I vote C.
What did you think of his trial performance?
His first half was crap against an NRL strength Bulldogs side. Second half doesn't mean anything as it was against a reserve grade Bulldogs side. His no look cut out pass is indicative of what he used to do when he previously played five eighth. Too much passing before the line and trying to be too fancy, which led to a Bulldogs try.

We are clutching at straws. The Titans will lap us and our season will be over by round four, just as it was last year.

Why was my post edited?

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:21 pm
by legend
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
You are confident Stuart knows what he is doing based on the fact we have one winning season in five with Stuart as head coach? He's EDIT!

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:24 pm
by legend
I may seem negative to some but what I can't fathom, and it's been going on with Raiders fans for years, is why you all (bar a few) choose to drink the kool aid each and every year and believe Stuart has defied the definition of insanity and can actually continue to do the same thing over and over and achieve a different result. Wighton was given a shot and it didn't work. Someone explain to me why it will work this time?

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:35 pm
by The Rickman
legend wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:21 pm
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:30 pm
I'm confident the coach knows what he's doing, trials don't mean anything, all Sezer and Wighton need now is time on the field together in the halves.
You are confident Stuart knows what he is doing based on the fact we have one winning season in five with Stuart as head coach? He's EDIT!
I would have said that last year MickeyJ, and the year before, but not this year! I'm confident this season Stuart is going to turn it all around and propel us deeply into the finals, because that's the kind of fan I am this week.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm
by Brew
I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.

Please prove me wrong.


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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 3:46 pm
by The Rickman
Brew wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm
I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.

Please prove me wrong.


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Well you're obviously not Ricky's biggest fan anymore Brew... MOVE ASIDE!!

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 5:54 pm
by Green eyed Mick
I remain far more concerned with our middle forwards than our halves, whoever they and up being. They looked well off the pace against the Eels and the Bulldogs.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 7:39 pm
by zim
legend wrote:
zim wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:08 pm
legend wrote:
February 26, 2019, 11:05 am
Wighton is a train wreck at five eighth. Shows the level of Stuart's creativity. Rehash a failed initiative from season's past and hope that a. no one notices b. Wighton is some sort of rabbit's foot or c. The criticism of Wighton leads to EDIT and we buy another pom with the spare cash.

I vote C.
What did you think of his trial performance?
His first half was crap against an NRL strength Bulldogs side. Second half doesn't mean anything as it was against a reserve grade Bulldogs side. His no look cut out pass is indicative of what he used to do when he previously played five eighth. Too much passing before the line and trying to be too fancy, which led to a Bulldogs try.

We are clutching at straws. The Titans will lap us and our season will be over by round four, just as it was last year.

Why was my post edited?
Positive as ever Image

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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 26, 2019, 7:41 pm
by PigRickman
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:46 pm
Brew wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm
I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.

Please prove me wrong.


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Well you're obviously not Ricky's biggest fan anymore Brew... MOVE ASIDE!!
Hit the bricks, Brewski

The Rickman and PigRickman are moving in, pal.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 9:37 am
by Beejay
Green eyed Mick wrote:
February 26, 2019, 5:54 pm
I remain far more concerned with our middle forwards than our halves, whoever they and up being. They looked well off the pace against the Eels and the Bulldogs.
Can't agree more. 'Metres conceded', will be the defining stat of our season. Nothing else.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 9:39 am
by Beejay
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 12:40 pm

It's his sixth season at the club and he's never had a sixth season at a club before. His career trajectory at any one club tends to go as follows:

Years 1 to 3: good, starting to trend down at the end
Years 4 and 5: mediocre to poor, tends to lose the playing group, often collects a spoon
Year 6: profit??
There's never been a better post on the Greenhouse

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 10:23 am
by Brew
PigRickman wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:46 pm
Brew wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm
I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.

Please prove me wrong.


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Well you're obviously not Ricky's biggest fan anymore Brew... MOVE ASIDE!!
Hit the bricks, Brewski

The Rickman and PigRickman are moving in, pal.

Change your pic to one with Ricky then we will talk.


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Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 11:08 am
by LP Raider
Green eyed Mick wrote:
February 26, 2019, 5:54 pm
I remain far more concerned with our middle forwards than our halves, whoever they and up being. They looked well off the pace against the Eels and the Bulldogs.
I concur, Jack Wighton was not the reason we looked sluggish in the trials.

There are some worrying signs with our middle third D.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 11:52 am
by Raiders_Pat
LP Raider wrote:
February 27, 2019, 11:08 am
Green eyed Mick wrote:
February 26, 2019, 5:54 pm
I remain far more concerned with our middle forwards than our halves, whoever they and up being. They looked well off the pace against the Eels and the Bulldogs.
I concur, Jack Wighton was not the reason we looked sluggish in the trials.

There are some worrying signs with our middle third D.
Crazy how we've supposedly been working on becoming a more mobile, defensively minded unit yet we seem to be giving away just as many metres as we did in past seasons... It's hard to get an accurate gauge on where the team's at through trial games but I can't say I'm all that confident going in to the season.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 11:54 am
by PigRickman
Brew wrote:
February 27, 2019, 10:23 am
PigRickman wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:46 pm
Brew wrote:
February 26, 2019, 3:42 pm
I’m Ricky’s biggest fan and even I can see that Jack at Five Eight is a train wreck. We will be halfway through the season and Sticky will be saying it’s a new halves pairing etc and they need time and before you know it we are doing the mathematics at Round 18 to see if we can scrape 8th spot.

Please prove me wrong.


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Well you're obviously not Ricky's biggest fan anymore Brew... MOVE ASIDE!!
Hit the bricks, Brewski

The Rickman and PigRickman are moving in, pal.

Change your pic to one with Ricky then we will talk.


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Check and mate.

Ricky is making some major **** moves this year and i for one am complete behind him. He's nailed this off season. Perfect.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 11:57 am
by The Rickman
I have to say I like the cut of PigRickman's jib.

Re: Jack Wighton confirms switch to five eighth

Posted: February 27, 2019, 12:25 pm
by SeeBee101
As i've said in previous posts, I think our lack of size in the middle will ensure teams make even more metres. Worrying signs....