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I loved Shillo until he got all preachy about fans booing their performance when they were down 30-0 at halftime against the titans

It was obvious they didn't put in that day, so they deserved to be booed..

And his column got canned after that
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Tough to name just one.

Each decade had it's contenders:

80s:

I agree Dean Lance was/is under rated (forgotten).

Ash Gilbert.
Ivan Henjak.
Chris O'Sullivan

90s:

Brett Hetherington
David Westley
Mark Corvo
David Boyle

00s

Shifcofske
Tongue
Troy Thompson
Thurling

2010 on

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The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Has anyone said Scott Logan?
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luffraider wrote:Has anyone said Scott Logan?
How could I forget..
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luffraider wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:39 pm Has anyone said Scott Logan?
Love him! Surely no Raiders fan would underrate him.
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dubby wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:38 pm Tough to name just one.

Each decade had it's contenders:

80s:

I agree Dean Lance was/is under rated (forgotten).

Ash Gilbert.
Ivan Henjak.
Chris O'Sullivan

90s:

Brett Hetherington
David Westley
Mark Corvo
David Boyle

00s

Shifcofske
Tongue
Troy Thompson
Thurling

2010 on

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I don't agree at all. For the 80s, Chris O'Sullivan. Nah for the 90s. Schif for thew 00's maybe. 2010 on you are kidding.

Forgetting the decades (because I want to), I'd say the most underrated are...

For Raiders fans, the players that we forget how much we were excited by them: Sean Hoppe, Mark McLinden, Trevor Thurling, Phil Graham, Scott Logan, David Milne, jeez even Colin Best. Purts never excited me...

For the RL fan in general, I'd say Brent Todd, Chris O'Sullivan, Schif, Leslie Vainikolo, Papa, Dean Lance, and Adam Mogg.

In fact, I'd say Adam Mogg wins everything, hands down. Tell me who was both better and less rated...
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Pigman wrote: January 7, 2019, 8:41 pm
greeneyed wrote: January 7, 2019, 8:36 pm Yes, but not close to Belcher or Mullins.
In resume, no.
In talent, and as i said, if a WAR stat was created, i'd bet my mortgage he'd leave them for dead. Schif dragged horrible teams to respectable seasons. Mullins and Badge were finishing pieces in line ups that couldnt sniff the salary cap in canberra for Schif's time. Stacked line ups. 8-9-10 or more internationals in those sides. Schif was a one man band.

If you want to say Schif isnt as good as those guys, that's fine... "Not close"
That's why he's the most underrated player in our history imo. It's much closer than you're saying. Much.
Yeah, I have to agree there. Choc was a far more rounded footballer than Mullins. I'd love to have him in our current squad. He could do it all in attack and defence.
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Some good names here. O'Sullivan, Martin, Lance, Choc, Hoppe, Logan all very under-rated players IMO. Nobody remembers that O'Sullivan was our 5/8 in two premierships and three grand finals.

Ashley Gilbert was a fave of mine from the early days. A very good old school second rower. Ivan Henjak was a pretty handy halfback too.

Josh Miller hands down for mine in more recent times. :thumbsup
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-PJ- wrote:Phil Carey
Yep. Very under rated player.

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If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Agree with pigman it’s Schifcofske.

Second for mine is Mogg. Signed as a reserve grader essentially and was a top tier centre for the majority of his time with us imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Moggy was great for us. He really hit a purple patch of form while in green.

Would I be right in saying he's debuted in Origin while with us !!

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I've been around a bit and can remember a lot of our players dating back plenty..lucky me right ?

These guys aren't underrated/overrated etc but more journeymen, battlers toilers.
Ok.
Tyran Smith, Michael Hodgson,Ryan Ohara, Kris Kahler,Willie Raston, Matt Bickerstaff, Ben Jones,Glen Turner,Ian Hindmarsh, Matt Adamson, Ben Cross, Jason Williams(remember him..fatter than JnrPaulo),Andrew Lomu, Alan Rothery(who's still playing in Qld somewhere, his player profile says his favourite NRL side is the Broncos),Terry Martin.

All these guys are forwards who wore our jersey..Wow !!
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I agree with many here. Moggy , Choc and Logan were great for us.

I'm going to throw one out there. Jason Croker. He made 5 NSW appearances and 5 for Australia in 2000 World Cup .
Toots should have played many more rep games. I don't know how he missed the 94 Kangaroo tour. He wasn't underrated by Raider fans and probably not underrated by the time his career finished.

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-PJ- wrote: January 8, 2019, 7:33 am I've been around a bit and can remember a lot of our players dating back plenty..lucky me right ?

These guys aren't underrated/overrated etc but more journeymen, battlers toilers.
Ok.
Tyran Smith, Michael Hodgson,Ryan Ohara, Kris Kahler,Willie Raston, Matt Bickerstaff, Ben Jones,Glen Turner,Ian Hindmarsh, Matt Adamson, Ben Cross, Jason Williams(remember him..fatter than JnrPaulo),Andrew Lomu, Alan Rothery(who's still playing in Qld somewhere, his player profile says his favourite NRL side is the Broncos),Terry Martin.

All these guys are forwards who wore our jersey..Wow !!
From that list I reckon the only truly under rated Raiders there are Michael Hodgson and Ian Hindmarsh. Both great, tough no nonsense signings and players.

Gee there are some horrible second rowers on that list though: Kahler, Jones, Bickerstaff and Turner. Ugh.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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julian87 wrote: January 8, 2019, 8:06 am
-PJ- wrote: January 8, 2019, 7:33 am I've been around a bit and can remember a lot of our players dating back plenty..lucky me right ?

These guys aren't underrated/overrated etc but more journeymen, battlers toilers.
Ok.
Tyran Smith, Michael Hodgson,Ryan Ohara, Kris Kahler,Willie Raston, Matt Bickerstaff, Ben Jones,Glen Turner,Ian Hindmarsh, Matt Adamson, Ben Cross, Jason Williams(remember him..fatter than JnrPaulo),Andrew Lomu, Alan Rothery(who's still playing in Qld somewhere, his player profile says his favourite NRL side is the Broncos),Terry Martin.

All these guys are forwards who wore our jersey..Wow !!
From that list I reckon the only truly under rated Raiders there are Michael Hodgson and Ian Hindmarsh. Both great, tough no nonsense signings and players.

Gee there are some horrible second rowers on that list though: Kahler, Jones, Bickerstaff and Turner. Ugh.
A lot of those players I mentioned above were adequate 1st grade standard and some not so much. And filled in our gaps around superstars at the time..Woolford, Croker, Wiki, Campese, Choc,Logan, Davico, Weyman etc..
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Michael Hodgson was certainly the goods. 😊
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Seiffert82 wrote: January 8, 2019, 8:21 am Michael Hodgson was certainly the goods. 😊
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luffraider wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:39 pm Has anyone said Scott Logan?
Love him! Surely no Raiders fan would underrate him.
Sorry, but I just never really got around Scott Logan as a fan. I really can’t understand why this forum rate him so highly... did he used to post here or something?


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-PJ- wrote: January 8, 2019, 7:33 am I've been around a bit and can remember a lot of our players dating back plenty..lucky me right ?

These guys aren't underrated/overrated etc but more journeymen, battlers toilers.
Ok.
Tyran Smith, Michael Hodgson,Ryan Ohara, Kris Kahler,Willie Raston, Matt Bickerstaff, Ben Jones,Glen Turner,Ian Hindmarsh, Matt Adamson, Ben Cross, Jason Williams(remember him..fatter than JnrPaulo),Andrew Lomu, Alan Rothery(who's still playing in Qld somewhere, his player profile says his favourite NRL side is the Broncos),Terry Martin.

All these guys are forwards who wore our jersey..Wow !!
I agree with others that Hodgson was very good, he is a level above the players on that list. Definitely underrated.

Hindmarsh was a decent player as well. O'hara was actually really good until the interchange reduction caught up with his lack of fitness, he would punch out 100+ meters a week against some very good packs.

The rest of the list are very forgettable.
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-TW- wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:16 pm I loved Shillo until he got all preachy about fans booing their performance when they were down 30-0 at halftime against the titans

It was obvious they didn't put in that day, so they deserved to be booed..

And his column got canned after that
That's what I mean, it's like that's the main thing people remember about him even though he was our best front rower and one of our most consistent players in a long time.
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I'd have to go with O'Sullivan.

I think Lance got his props as a killer defender among anyone who watched the game at the time and was captain for a period, which suggests he wasn't under rated.

O'Sullivan was our starting 5/8 in 2 premierships- and no p[passenger either! If you watch those old semi's or big games or finals his kicking game is BIG, he passes well, schemes in attack, darts. He's a major contributor that you'd expect from a starting half in a gun team. But mostly forgotten.
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The more I think about this, the more I'm thinking it's Chris O'Sullivan.
Mr dependable. Never stuffed up. Did everything right. Played with heart and passion every week.

I agree Shif was under rated, but not by many raiders fans. We loved the guy. He was very close to Matt Elliott, even defending him in a press conference in the face of intense fan frustration (thanks woodgers!)

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Michael Hodgson and Adam Mogg are both very good modern Raiders nominations.
Mogg in particular was as stead as they came, not a lot of 9/10 games for him, but he was a 6.5/7 or higher every damn game. Consistently very good.
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T_R wrote: January 7, 2019, 8:12 pmGary Coyne?
You know, someone on Twitter said "Gary Belcher". And my reaction was "what?" But I guess that's in similar vein.

Clearly, represented Queensland and Australia. But I do think that he's underrated by many Raiders fans who are only old enough to remember Brett Mullins.

And Coyne often forgotten.
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Also i'll go to my grave saying Matt Bickerstaff isn't worthy of being named along side the Kris Kahler's of the world
Bickerstaff was signed on a good sized deal after a really good year with the Dragons.

Now you might knock him as a **** **** because he clearly took our money when his body was broken. But maybe that's on our medical team not being dilligent... but he played 2 games for us before basically retiring hurt... and he was excellent in his first game and solid at worst in his second. He was a good player who was broken
edwahu wrote: January 8, 2019, 9:27 am
-TW- wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:16 pm I loved Shillo until he got all preachy about fans booing their performance when they were down 30-0 at halftime against the titans

It was obvious they didn't put in that day, so they deserved to be booed..

And his column got canned after that
That's what I mean, it's like that's the main thing people remember about him even though he was our best front rower and one of our most consistent players in a long time.
Shillington was one of the best 2-3 front rowers in the game for about 3-4 years, he was our best and most consistent world class footballer and everyone hates him because he resented being boo'd on his home field. Haha. Whether that's right or wrong, i dont know. But he's 100% under-rated.
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greeneyed wrote: January 8, 2019, 11:15 am
T_R wrote: January 7, 2019, 8:12 pmGary Coyne?
You know, someone on Twitter said "Gary Belcher". And my reaction was "what?" But I guess that's in similar vein.

Clearly, represented Queensland and Australia. But I do think that he's underrated by many Raiders fans who are only old enough to remember Brett Mullins.

And Coyne often forgotten.
I kind of agree on Belcher. Lots of recent fans genuinely think Lockyer was the first fullback to chime into a backline. He should be in hall of fame discussions but doesn't get a mention.
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Pigman wrote: January 8, 2019, 11:16 am Also i'll go to my grave saying Matt Bickerstaff isn't worthy of being named along side the Kris Kahler's of the world
Bickerstaff was signed on a good sized deal after a really good year with the Dragons.

Now you might knock him as a **** **** because he clearly took our money when his body was broken. But maybe that's on our medical team not being dilligent... but he played 2 games for us before basically retiring hurt... and he was excellent in his first game and solid at worst in his second. He was a good player who was broken
edwahu wrote: January 8, 2019, 9:27 am
-TW- wrote: January 7, 2019, 9:16 pm I loved Shillo until he got all preachy about fans booing their performance when they were down 30-0 at halftime against the titans

It was obvious they didn't put in that day, so they deserved to be booed..

And his column got canned after that
That's what I mean, it's like that's the main thing people remember about him even though he was our best front rower and one of our most consistent players in a long time.
Shillington was one of the best 2-3 front rowers in the game for about 3-4 years, he was our best and most consistent world class footballer and everyone hates him because he resented being boo'd on his home field. Haha. Whether that's right or wrong, i dont know. But he's 100% under-rated.
I reckon this is the main thing is disagree with you on about all things rugby league. He was a decent defender but I just never rated the bloke at all really. Definitely not a premium player anyway.

Each to their own though.
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14 tests and 8 Origins is the best objective evidence for how good he was.
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Scott Logan was super consistent. Rated him crucial to the team.

I also thought Glen Turner was very good for a little while, but then when his time was up it became pretty obvious.
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BJ Mole reports Matt Rua as our most underrated.
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BJ wrote: January 8, 2019, 1:37 pm BJ Mole reports Matt Rua as our most underrated.
It would've been awesome to watch him defending next to Wiki in 2003.
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edwahu wrote:
BJ wrote: January 8, 2019, 1:37 pm BJ Mole reports Matt Rua as our most underrated.
It would've been awesome to watch him defending next to Wiki in 2003.
Yep he could hit.
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