The most underrated player in Canberra Raiders history

[RedRaider]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

[RTW]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

I would not be the least bit surprised if he is the next coach. It is out of him or McFadden.


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[RedRaider]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

I would not be the least bit surprised if he is the next coach. It is out of him or McFadden.


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While it would not surprise me RTW, it would definitely put the lemon face on the image of the Raiders. Something a Club who is chasing sponsors could well do without. He would put the 'bitters' into lemon, lime and ....

[Westsydneyraider]

In no order
Davico, Tongue, Phil Graham

[Seiffert82]

Jay Hoffman is an excellent addition to this list.

[julian87]

Phil Graham is a good shout too, good call.

Always remembered for being flashy and fast but he was a really, really good centre for quite some time for mine. Always a better centre than a winger and being dropped for Bulgarelli sort of underlines how under rated he was at times.

[Botman]

Germ was very average imo Ed.

Agreed, i think in the moment i was a fan of his, probably because his style of play (a player who used niggle and **** talking, and trying hard to overcome obvious talent deficiencies) was similar to my own albeit as vastly different levels, haha. But everyone seemed to like him in those days and feel like he was under-rated. But he was not an especially good player, and i sour more and more on him as a player as time goes on.

[edwahu]

Yeah, I don't think he was great, just not terrible. Probably middle of the pack amongst hookers until the tail end of his career with a couple of better and worse seasons thrown in. He was a massive whinger and annoying bloke which does impact people's view of his football

At the time of the Priddis call I think things were much less certain as to who was better. Germ played very well early on and had a few more strings to his bow compared to Priddis. I don't think there would be outrage if we took a similar call on two players today.

[Woodgers]

At a club like ours, knowing what we know and rewinding back almost 2 decades, it would be a strong bet to suggest that that decision had far more to do with who drank beers with the farmers out at QBN Leagues Club and less to do about a football comparison where the playing abilities at that time were similar enough for it not to matter over the biases.

[greeneyed]

Wasn’t News and Kevin Neil in charge at that time?

[Woodgers]

Can't remember GE. As it stands right now basically all the manure of 25 years has blended into one massive rissole.

[edwahu]

Wasn’t News and Kevin Neil in charge at that time?

Yeah, Priddis left in 1998, same year as Stuart and Clyde.

[Woodgers]

Then I regret and retract my defamatory slur on the fine gentlemen of QBN. I'm sure they are all upstanding citizens and completely independent of any decision making at the CRDRLFC at that particular time.

[Botman]

Then I regret and retract my defamatory slur on the fine gentlemen of QBN. I'm sure they are all upstanding citizens and completely independent of any decision making at the CRDRLFC at that particular time.

High time they got this apology.
It's been a long time coming.

[Woodgers]

Then I regret and retract my defamatory slur on the fine gentlemen of QBN. I'm sure they are all upstanding citizens and completely independent of any decision making at the CRDRLFC at that particular time.

High time they got this apology.
It's been a long time coming.

Call it an olive branch. I'll eagerly await my apology in the mail for all the pain and suffering caused at their end. Some tickets in the Thursday night meat raffle as a sweetener wouldn't go astray either.

[T_R]

At a club like ours, knowing what we know and rewinding back almost 2 decades, it would be a strong bet to suggest that that decision had far more to do with who drank beers with the farmers out at QBN Leagues Club and less to do about a football comparison where the playing abilities at that time were similar enough for it not to matter over the biases.

If memory serves, it was reported at the time that one of them had to go for salary cap reasons, and Woolford still had a year on his contract.

[T_R]

At a club like ours, knowing what we know and rewinding back almost 2 decades, it would be a strong bet to suggest that that decision had far more to do with who drank beers with the farmers out at QBN Leagues Club and less to do about a football comparison where the playing abilities at that time were similar enough for it not to matter over the biases.

If memory serves, it was reported at the time that one of them had to go for salary cap reasons, and Woolford still had a year on his contract.

[Woodgers]

Ok I concede I was hasty with my remarks and have stumbled across one solitary thing that the farm isn't responsible for through this horrible Raiders supporting existence. We will probably find out down the track that Woolford was signed up by the farm at age 10 to a 19 year inflated contract which crippled EVERYTHING. But for now I'll waddle away with tail firmly between legs....

[The Nickman]

Why did we not sign M Monas? Was that another Elliott brain wave? Elliott had a tendency to not blood juniors

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Yeah, almost as criminal as letting Paul Vaughan go.

[Johno]

Wasn’t News and Kevin Neil in charge at that time?

Yeah, Priddis left in 1998, same year as Stuart and Clyde.

Given the ability of Clyde and Stuart, the performance of Priddis in the years to come, that was one monster black hole created.

[dubby]

Why did we not sign M Monas? Was that another Elliott brain wave? Elliott had a tendency to not blood juniors

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Yeah, almost as criminal as letting Paul Vaughan go.

Vaughan was a huge loss, no question.

But, I'm sure you'll find he was a bit loose off field.

We'll probably never know the full story. So on the surface it's easy to say "stupid decision to let him go".


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[edwahu]

Wasn’t News and Kevin Neil in charge at that time?

Yeah, Priddis left in 1998, same year as Stuart and Clyde.

Given the ability of Clyde and Stuart, the performance of Priddis in the years to come, that was one monster black hole created.

They lost Hetherington and Boyle that year as well. Kennedy and Westley a year later.

There wasn't much choice really, the team was full of players on superleague deals so the cap was unmanageable.

[nachopants]

Phil Graham for mine, scored some tries that were up there with Mullins.

I think he's the first player I ever saw kick into the goal, get dragged out over the touchline, come back in and score.

Scintillating stuff.

[yurithe1]

I'm going with the idea that to be under-rated in the wider League community, you had to have missed out on Origin or senior national rep honours. Tongue did get selected for a PM's 13 game in PNG, but opted to go on a vacation that he promised his family instead. Besides, I don't think you can call that a senior rep honour. So, I think he still counts.

Apart from him, Terry Martin and Matthew Wood. Martin was a damaging tackler and solid in attack, albeit not at all flashy. Played 92 games and managed nine tries. The Gary Coyne of his time.

Wood made the bulk of his 72 appearances in that golden period between '89-'94, keeping a collection of pretty good alternatives in Reserves or the on the bench. He's also notable for playing and scoring in every GF he played in. Unlike the Flying Brick Vainikolo, he could turn and chase the kick through or come across in cover. Also kicked goals at almost 60% success rate.

Apart from those guys:
Michael Robertson who proved what he had to offer once he joined Manly and had some injury-free seasons;
Dean Lance, Todd Payton and Scott Logan all of whom always really put in;
Marshall Chalk due to his utility value; and I'm stunned no one has mentioned him:
Sean Fensom.

[dubby]

Wood was bog average. Like Fulivae. The dude was a Sheens favourite, and I'm baffled he played as many games as he did.

Did Wood play for the raiders after Sheens left?

Terry Martin was ok.

Fensom was Mr Reliable. A tough, Elijah Wood sort of guy. I don't think he was under rated.

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[zim]

Wood was bog average. Like Fulivae. The dude was a Sheens favourite, and I'm baffled he played as many games as he did.

Did Wood play for the raiders after Sheens left?

Terry Martin was ok.

Fensom was Mr Reliable. A tough, Elijah Wood sort of guy. I don't think he was under rated.

Fensom wouldn't have needed help to get that ring to Mordor.

[dubby]

Yeah he woulda.

Unless he had the insight to just fly in on one of those huge eagles and just drop it in

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[Seiffert82]

Wood was bog average. Like Fulivae. The dude was a Sheens favourite, and I'm baffled he played as many games as he did.

Did Wood play for the raiders after Sheens left?

Terry Martin was ok.

Fensom was Mr Reliable. A tough, Elijah Wood sort of guy. I don't think he was under rated.

Fensom wouldn't have needed help to get that ring to Mordor.

[-PJ-]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

I can remember a game v Manly at Brookvale.

Woolford was sent off very early and with 12 men we put a nice score on them and got the chocolates..

It's probably still one of the clubs better victories..not sure what year that was !!!

[LimeGreenMachine]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

I can remember a game v Manly at Brookvale.

Woolford was sent off very early and with 12 men we put a nice score on them and got the chocolates..

It's probably still one of the clubs better victories..not sure what year that was !!!

Woolford off after 8 mins and we put 51 on Manly

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/highs- ... dh8lw.html

[-PJ-]

Germ was very average imo Ed. Also had a big mouth with not a lot to talk about. I remember him passing behind forwards and then getting up them for not catching the ball. A legend in his own mind who as a captain put the Raiders offside with every Ref in the NRl because of the way he spoke. Sour face and attitude. The first Raiders player who I thought must have been there due to reasons other than form. I still don't know how he racked up more than 200 games for the Raiders.

I can remember a game v Manly at Brookvale.

Woolford was sent off very early and with 12 men we put a nice score on them and got the chocolates..

It's probably still one of the clubs better victories..not sure what year that was !!!

Woolford off after 8 mins and we put 51 on Manly

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/highs- ... dh8lw.html

Yeah..smashed them on their turf.

Bozo has never got over it.

[-TW-]

Wish we had that all round squad today

[-PJ-]

Wish we had that all round squad today

It was a no fuss squad, showed plenty of ticker.

2003 was going gangbusters until **** dropped a ball that I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT.

It was season over in two consecutive weeks during the finals..

[yurithe1]

Wish we had that all round squad today

It was a no fuss squad, showed plenty of ticker.

2003 was going gangbusters until **** dropped a ball that I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT.

It was season over in two consecutive weeks during the finals..

Yep, what a **** up that was. He finished his career playing for Ipswich Jets.

[-PJ-]

Wish we had that all round squad today

It was a no fuss squad, showed plenty of ticker.

2003 was going gangbusters until **** dropped a ball that I WOULD HAVE CAUGHT.

It was season over in two consecutive weeks during the finals..

Yep, what a **** up that was. He finished his career playing for Ipswich Jets.

27 games he played for us..no one remembers the other 26.