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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Gazman » February 5, 2019, 6:03 pm

I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Raidersteve » February 5, 2019, 7:14 pm

Stuart knows he under pressure he isn't going to move our best fullback to 5/8 to improve our defensive line if he doesn't have someone either already at the club or lined up that he believes can do the job that is needed.

At the end of the day if we require a world class fullback to be competitive then fullback is the least of our problems.

So if we don't manage pick up a fullback or half the world won't come to an end.

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Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Sid » February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm

Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Matt » February 6, 2019, 8:47 am

Raidersteve wrote:
February 5, 2019, 7:14 pm
Stuart knows he under pressure he isn't going to move our best fullback to 5/8 to improve our defensive line if he doesn't have someone either already at the club or lined up that he believes can do the job that is needed.

At the end of the day if we require a world class fullback to be competitive then fullback is the least of our problems.

So if we don't manage pick up a fullback or half the world won't come to an end.
It might end Rickys world though.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Matt » February 6, 2019, 8:47 am

Sid wrote:
February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm
Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
Sadly, I am starting to believe its going to be a mid yr trade too.

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Post by Sid » February 6, 2019, 9:26 am

Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 8:47 am
Sid wrote:
February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm
Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
Sadly, I am starting to believe its going to be a mid yr trade too.
Could be part of the negotiation process if Raiders are low in salary cap funds too. e.g. if there's $550k left in the kitty for 2019, that's not enough for a quality fullback for a full season, but would be enough for a a quality fullback for half season as part of a deal that stretches for a couple of years (e.g. $2M over 2.5 seasons... rough numbers being thrown around)

The bonus with doing something like this, is that so long as Raiders are still in the hunt mid season, they would then be stacking their cap more towards the business end of the season being finals.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Coastalraider » February 6, 2019, 10:36 am

Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 8:47 am
Sid wrote:
February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm
Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
Sadly, I am starting to believe its going to be a mid yr trade too.
Which arguably is when we need the position filled the least - when Rapana comes back on board.

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Post by edwahu » February 6, 2019, 10:40 am

Even if a good fullback is on the market we have to hope no one else is in the market. If they are we are low odds to get him.

Most likely I think we sign an English half for next year and Jack moves back there.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by zim » February 6, 2019, 10:42 am

Coastalraider wrote:
February 6, 2019, 10:36 am
Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 8:47 am
Sid wrote:
February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm
Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
Sadly, I am starting to believe its going to be a mid yr trade too.
Which arguably is when we need the position filled the least - when Rapana comes back on board.
Seems an odd thing to be arguing. Lessened degrees of desperate really.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Coastalraider » February 6, 2019, 11:48 am

zim wrote:
February 6, 2019, 10:42 am
Coastalraider wrote:
February 6, 2019, 10:36 am
Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 8:47 am
Sid wrote:
February 5, 2019, 10:01 pm
Gazman wrote:I am going to remain optimistic, albeit misguided, that we have a plan to jag a FB before the season starts.


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I would be surprised if a fullback isn’t signed, maybe not necessarily by season start, but before June 30
Sadly, I am starting to believe its going to be a mid yr trade too.
Which arguably is when we need the position filled the least - when Rapana comes back on board.
Seems an odd thing to be arguing. Lessened degrees of desperate really.
Spot on Zim, Rapana coming back doesn't 'fix' the issue that we appear to be going into this year 1 spine player short - but I'd be much more comfortable with a back 3 of Cotric/Rapana/Oldfield than Cotric/Abbey/Oldfield.
But add an actual quality fullback to the mix (like most teams would) and Id be fine.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Brew » February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm

I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by RedRaider » February 6, 2019, 3:42 pm

edwahu wrote:
February 6, 2019, 10:40 am
Even if a good fullback is on the market we have to hope no one else is in the market. If they are we are low odds to get him.

Most likely I think we sign an English half for next year and Jack moves back there.
North Qld would be looking hard at any available players for fullback.

I think our spine will be Hodgo, Sezer, Sam and Jack. Providing we can keep them together for most of the season I think they will do the job.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Matt » February 6, 2019, 3:59 pm

Brew wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm
I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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Post by TongueFTW » February 7, 2019, 6:45 am

Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:59 pm
Brew wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm
I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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It also shows, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of the actual issue. Austin was not a horrible tackler when he made the correct decision (see game vs. St George last year against Tariq Sims). The issue has been that our second rowers and halves have been constantly put in a position to make decisions and one on one tackles. I remember a stat that Whitehead had made the most 1 on 1 tackles in the entire league. You do not want to be making 1 on 1 tackles on an edge.

This shows it is our defensive structure that is to blame, lack of mobility in the middle and inability to (legally) slow down the play the ball, resulting in huge metres to the opposition and our edge always on the backfoot. Is Wighton a significantly better decision maker than Austin? Again, "hitting" was not the issue.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by edwahu » February 7, 2019, 7:24 am

Jack can't possibly be a worse decision maker in defense than Austin. He will be a lot better.

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Post by Matt » February 7, 2019, 8:04 am

TongueFTW wrote:
February 7, 2019, 6:45 am
Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:59 pm
Brew wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm
I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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It also shows, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of the actual issue. Austin was not a horrible tackler when he made the correct decision (see game vs. St George last year against Tariq Sims). The issue has been that our second rowers and halves have been constantly put in a position to make decisions and one on one tackles. I remember a stat that Whitehead had made the most 1 on 1 tackles in the entire league. You do not want to be making 1 on 1 tackles on an edge.

This shows it is our defensive structure that is to blame, lack of mobility in the middle and inability to (legally) slow down the play the ball, resulting in huge metres to the opposition and our edge always on the backfoot. Is Wighton a significantly better decision maker than Austin? Again, "hitting" was not the issue.
Defensively, yes. I do think he is a better decision maker in this regard. It shows in his last line stuff at FB too. He makes the right call more often than not, which is why he has a highlight reel of hits at FB.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by TongueFTW » February 7, 2019, 9:45 am

Matt wrote:
February 7, 2019, 8:04 am
TongueFTW wrote:
February 7, 2019, 6:45 am
Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:59 pm
Brew wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm
I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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It also shows, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of the actual issue. Austin was not a horrible tackler when he made the correct decision (see game vs. St George last year against Tariq Sims). The issue has been that our second rowers and halves have been constantly put in a position to make decisions and one on one tackles. I remember a stat that Whitehead had made the most 1 on 1 tackles in the entire league. You do not want to be making 1 on 1 tackles on an edge.

This shows it is our defensive structure that is to blame, lack of mobility in the middle and inability to (legally) slow down the play the ball, resulting in huge metres to the opposition and our edge always on the backfoot. Is Wighton a significantly better decision maker than Austin? Again, "hitting" was not the issue.


Defensively, yes. I do think he is a better decision maker in this regard. It shows in his last line stuff at FB too. He makes the right call more often than not, which is why he has a highlight reel of hits at FB.
He might be, but you are basing that on no evidence. There is a big difference between defending as a fullback and a half 3 in, where you have to deal with second rowers, halves and fullbacks on a sweep play. If we have the same issues in previous years in terms of yardage conceded and play the ball speed, Wighton will make a negligible difference to our defence.

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Post by simo » February 7, 2019, 9:48 am

Wighton wont just take the easy option. Austin was a bandit for shooting out unexpectedly because it was easier than holding back and covering the backrower going for a crash ball
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Post by Pigman » February 7, 2019, 9:58 am

yeah i think we're going to some teething issues early in the year with Wighton's decision making
But it was a feature of his game in his early days as a centre. He can read the play well and is a good, strong defender as far as technique goes

I think he'll be a considerable upgrade on Austin defensively.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Matt » February 7, 2019, 9:59 am

TongueFTW wrote:
February 7, 2019, 9:45 am
Matt wrote:
February 7, 2019, 8:04 am
TongueFTW wrote:
February 7, 2019, 6:45 am
Matt wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:59 pm
Brew wrote:
February 6, 2019, 3:40 pm
I still can’t get my head around us playing Jack at 6, it’s a disaster putting him in a key position like that to make decisions.
He finally goes well at Fullback and then we want to change him again because we are going all defensive.



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It also shows, in my opinion, a lack of understanding of the actual issue. Austin was not a horrible tackler when he made the correct decision (see game vs. St George last year against Tariq Sims). The issue has been that our second rowers and halves have been constantly put in a position to make decisions and one on one tackles. I remember a stat that Whitehead had made the most 1 on 1 tackles in the entire league. You do not want to be making 1 on 1 tackles on an edge.

This shows it is our defensive structure that is to blame, lack of mobility in the middle and inability to (legally) slow down the play the ball, resulting in huge metres to the opposition and our edge always on the backfoot. Is Wighton a significantly better decision maker than Austin? Again, "hitting" was not the issue.


Defensively, yes. I do think he is a better decision maker in this regard. It shows in his last line stuff at FB too. He makes the right call more often than not, which is why he has a highlight reel of hits at FB.
He might be, but you are basing that on no evidence. There is a big difference between defending as a fullback and a half 3 in, where you have to deal with second rowers, halves and fullbacks on a sweep play. If we have the same issues in previous years in terms of yardage conceded and play the ball speed, Wighton will make a negligible difference to our defence.
I saw him in juniors. Backrowers didnt go through his corridor. He nailed them so often they went the other way. Wighton is not afraid to tackle, in fact, guys that hit like him like the contact - also see Radley, who was a half/ hooker in junior grades. Which means they will focus harder on making the decision as to who, and esp when, to get into a position to do so (you dont hit like that without good technique and timing).

As Simo said, Austin didnt want a bar of it. He didnt want to think, wait or trust his team mates, so he would shoot out of the line making the decision for everyone.

As for the structure stuff, thats partially system, and partially the cogs within it.

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Post by Matt » February 7, 2019, 10:00 am

Not my favorite site, but:
https://www.zerotackle.com/robert-jenni ... MxooOab7UE

Tell me why we havent been looking into Jennings?
I mean, Im not exactly a fan of Cotric at FB, but surely, if the coaching staff see this as an option, Jennings would be a great addition on the wing to fill that void.

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Post by zim » February 7, 2019, 10:14 am

If we are hoping to sign Edwards we probably can't afford Jennings. He wouldn't come at min wage.

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Matt wrote:
February 7, 2019, 10:00 am
Not my favorite site, but:
https://www.zerotackle.com/robert-jenni ... MxooOab7UE

Tell me why we havent been looking into Jennings?
I mean, Im not exactly a fan of Cotric at FB, but surely, if the coaching staff see this as an option, Jennings would be a great addition on the wing to fill that void.
I can only see two options as to why.

1. We are confident we have someone lined up, or;
2. We have a completely inept recruitment department.

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Post by gergreg » February 7, 2019, 11:03 am

I can't understand why anybody thinks that Wighton isn't an immediate and considerable upgrade, at least defensively, to Austin. Was pretty clear that Austin's head and heart wasn't in the game over the past 2 years. He looked like Reece Robinson out there at times. Shooting up for the intercept too often. Our defence will be better, I have no doubt. How the shift and also the loss of Crawley affects our attack should be interesting.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by edwahu » February 7, 2019, 11:19 am

Yep, Austin was the worst defensive player in Raiders history last year. His issues had nothing to do with structure, and the chances of Jack not being much better are zero.
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Post by Neeeegz » February 7, 2019, 11:29 am

@ Matt, I just came on here to suggest signing Jennings, surely we have the cash for him with rapanas money ?

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Post by Brew » February 7, 2019, 11:37 am

gergreg wrote:I can't understand why anybody thinks that Wighton isn't an immediate and considerable upgrade, at least defensively, to Austin. Was pretty clear that Austin's head and heart wasn't in the game over the past 2 years. He looked like Reece Robinson out there at times. Shooting up for the intercept too often. Our defence will be better, I have no doubt. How the shift and also the loss of Crawley affects our attack should be interesting.

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But what is better, Abbey at 1 and Jack at 6 or Jack at 1 Willams at 6?



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Post by Beejay » February 7, 2019, 12:24 pm

Needs to be a better decision than that. Abbey is not NRL level, neither is Williams.
Moving Wighton is the right move, he will be great in the front line. I’ve thought that for a while.

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Post by Matt » February 7, 2019, 12:46 pm

I figured Ill answer you all at one.
zim wrote:
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If we are hoping to sign Edwards we probably can't afford Jennings. He wouldn't come at min wage.
The simple answer is yes, however, Gus has publicly said no, and by all accounts he is currently winning that battle for the #1 at Panthers, this would be my obvious NRL ready backup/ alternate option.
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Not my favorite site, but:
https://www.zerotackle.com/robert-jenni ... MxooOab7UE

Tell me why we havent been looking into Jennings?
I mean, Im not exactly a fan of Cotric at FB, but surely, if the coaching staff see this as an option, Jennings would be a great addition on the wing to fill that void.
I can only see two options as to why.

1. We are confident we have someone lined up, or;
2. We have a completely inept recruitment department.
Really really hope its #1.
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@ Matt, I just came on here to suggest signing Jennings, surely we have the cash for him with rapanas money ?

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Not sure he is only worth a tick over min wage, which is all we get as Rapa's compensation. But Id argue he is worth less than Edwards, but ultimately gives us a similar solution (assuming Cotric moves to 1 with Jack at 6)

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Post by SeeBee101 » February 7, 2019, 1:22 pm

I said on another post that I think we should be looking at Jennings. Abbey should NOT be anywhere near the first team this season regardless of injuries....

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Post by Sid » February 7, 2019, 1:27 pm

Cotric seems pretty happy on the wing and Sticky seems pretty happy to keep him there.
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Post by SeeBee101 » February 7, 2019, 1:44 pm

Maybe the rumours of Simmonson getting first crack may be true?

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Post by edwahu » February 7, 2019, 2:09 pm

SeeBee101 wrote:
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Maybe the rumours of Simmonson getting first crack may be true?
Where did this rumour come from?

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Post by chris83 » February 7, 2019, 2:10 pm

SeeBee101 wrote:
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Maybe the rumours of Simmonson getting first crack may be true?
I dont know much about simmonson, apart from seeing pictures on the raiders various social media pages, i thought he was a winger though? Is he a long term prospect?
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