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Previous years our players played 0.5 trials. This year they play minimum 1 with at least half the squad playing 1.5. It's not the same mistake and we are doing what nearly every other side usually does.

I'm all for a bit of Ricky bashing but this time it's wide of the mark.
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I think we get 40 minutes out of the props and 60 minutes out of the rest and no injuries, I will be happy.
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We will all be very interested in the side named tomorrow. Imo the new defensive emphasis needs to be tested. For that to happen as many of the Rd 1 starting side as possible should play 40 minutes together in trial 1 and again in trial 2. Defence is our biggest weakness and this is an opportunity to get it practiced under match conditions before we are playing for competition points.
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edwahu wrote:Previous years our players played 0.5 trials. This year they play minimum 1 with at least half the squad playing 1.5. It's not the same mistake and we are doing what nearly every other side usually does.

I'm all for a bit of Ricky bashing but this time it's wide of the mark.
Who cares what anyone outside the top 17 are doing for trials? Very unlikely to impact whether we’re 0/4 or not.

Playing 1 trial, with your top squad with so much to sort out is dumb. Correct me if I’m wrong but other teams are typically playing two, with the second closer to season start? Combined with a tough draw to start that looks like a solid recipe for a **** fest.
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gangrenous wrote: February 13, 2019, 7:09 pm
edwahu wrote:Previous years our players played 0.5 trials. This year they play minimum 1 with at least half the squad playing 1.5. It's not the same mistake and we are doing what nearly every other side usually does.

I'm all for a bit of Ricky bashing but this time it's wide of the mark.
Who cares what anyone outside the top 17 are doing for trials? Very unlikely to impact whether we’re 0/4 or not.

Playing 1 trial, with your top squad with so much to sort out is dumb. Correct me if I’m wrong but other teams are typically playing two, with the second closer to season start? Combined with a tough draw to start that looks like a solid recipe for a **** fest.
We are playing 2. Most other teams are playing two with the last a week after ours. No idea who gets picked yet but like I said usually teams play one with a big extended squad and one full strength one, same as we are supposedly doing.

I don't think you'd find any correlation between what we are doing and a good or bad season either way.
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We’re going to have to agree to disagree then because I think our approach to early seasons has had a clear and obvious impact on how we’ve started and will continue to do so.
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we only actually ran a strength team for 20mins trial in 17 and 18 as well as 30mins in 16 so really a solid 40 to 50mins would be a big improvement.
Clearly this is our train and trial guys and the fringe players.

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Which is a waste, an utter waste.
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gangrenous wrote: February 13, 2019, 8:32 pm We’re going to have to agree to disagree then because I think our approach to early seasons has had a clear and obvious impact on how we’ve started and will continue to do so.
But the point is we aren't starting that way this year. Unless he runs with massive squad in trial 2 than we're starting like plenty of successful sides have.
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I was pretty happy with the 2016 trial in Orange. The top team was intense and looked good, and blew the Knights away. Look what happened in 2016.

I was unhappy with what's happened in trials since. The top team has looked totally disinterested in the trials and it showed in the performances. That attitude came from the top.

I'm going to no doubt be hammered by the usual suspects... but I think we are a team that needs to be performing well in the trials and gain confidence from them if we're to start the season well. In my view, trials are more important than the coaches usually say.

Last year we needed to use trials to experiment how we were going to play without Hodgson... instead we did it in the opening month of the competition and it was a disaster.

This year we need to be getting our new spine combinations and forward combinations working in the trials. I'm not confident we're going to start any better in 2019, given what we're hearing.
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Agreed GE. A team coming off 10th place 2 years in a row needs some wins, even in trials, to build some confidence.
Hopefully the coach gets it this year. The arrogance of 'saving ourselves' for finals football should be gone. Each game matters and the preparation and performance should show it.
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Agree. I dont care who our opposition trits out, our top squad should be playing in both trials for at least the opening stints and aiming to blow them off the park.
That or put em on for the last 20 to close the game out
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Parramatta Eels name squad to meet Canberra Raiders in trial

The Parramatta Eels have named a 21 man squad to take on the Canberra Raiders in Friday night’s pre-season trial at St Marys Leagues Stadium. The clash will be streamed live on NRL.com with a free NRL account and also on parraeels.com.au

Parramatta Eels squad (alphabetical order)
Daniel Alvaro
Dylan Brown
Rhys Davies
Haze Dunster
David Gower
Clint Gutherson
Josh Hoffman
George Jennings
Michael Jennings
Oregon Kaufusi
Shaun Lane
Reed Mahoney
Tim Mannah
Tepai Moeroa
Mitch Moses
Marata Niukore
Ethan Parry
Junior Paulo
Jaeman Salmon
Peni Terepo
Stefano Utoikamanu

Read more: https://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2019/ ... ial-squad/
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Plenty of 1st team players in the Eels squad. I'd like to see something similar from us.
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Ok, well at least the eels arent going to be fielding a decent team for it
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Parra 1st team players are just like depth players everywhere else
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Canberra Raiders name 24 man squad for first trial match

The Canberra Raiders have named their squad for their first trial match of the season against the Parramatta Eels at St Mary’s Stadium on Friday night.

The Raiders have named a 24-man squad for the match, with new recruits Ryan Sutton, Bailey Simonsson and Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad all set to get an opportunity.

The Raiders have named seven players in their squad with previous experience at NRL level for the club, with experienced players Sam Williams, Siliva Havili, Dunamis Lui and Luke Bateman all set to get some game time.

Gates open at 6pm at St Mary’s Stadium, with kick-off scheduled for 7.00pm.

The match will also be live-streamed on www.nrl.com (NRL account holders) and via the Parramatta Eels Website www.parraeels.com.au

CLICK HERE to see a video of Coach Ricky Stuart from today discussing the upcoming trial matches: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2019/02 ... ial-match/

Trial Match - Canberra Raiders v Parramatta Eels
Friday February 15, 7.00pm
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Raiders squad (alphabetical order)

Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili
Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young

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Raiders side will get fairly towelled up here, but it'll be good to see how guys like Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, Bailey Simonsson and a few of the forwards go
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Isnt it great to see that Ricky is learning from the trial mistakes of the past...

There are maybe 5 starters in that squad.
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The Green Arrow wrote: February 14, 2019, 10:45 am
Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili

Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young
If you compare that squad to mine and other predicted lineups, it becomes pretty obvious this is a trial to decide on;
Fullback
Bench forwards.

The starting 12 players (minus fullback) are the only ones missing.

1. TBA -
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Tapine
9. Hodgson
10. Soliola
11. J Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Papalii

14. Havili
15. Sutton
16. Lui
17. L Bateman
Guler, horsburgh and Murchie first drop.
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The Green Arrow wrote:
Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili
Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young

About what I was expecting given what's been said this week. Is O'Hagan still with the club?
Zero Tackle still has him contracted to us. Unsure why he’s not in this line up.


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Danaman137 wrote:
The Green Arrow wrote:
Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili
Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young

About what I was expecting given what's been said this week. Is O'Hagan still with the club?
Zero Tackle still has him contracted to us. Unsure why he’s not in this line up.


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2020: 1. Nicol-Klokstad 2. Cotric 3. Croker (c) 4 Leilua 5. Scott 6. Wighton 7. G. Williams 8. Papalii 9. Hodgson (c) 10. Sutton 11. J. Bateman 12. Whitehead 13. Tapine ----
14. Simmonson 15. Soliola 16. Guler 17. Horsburgh
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Beejay wrote:
The Green Arrow wrote: February 14, 2019, 10:45 am
Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili

Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young
If you compare that squad to mine and other predicted lineups, it becomes pretty obvious this is a trial to decide on;
Fullback
Bench forwards.

The starting 12 players (minus fullback) are the only ones missing.

1. TBA -
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Tapine
9. Hodgson
10. Soliola
11. J Bateman
12. Whitehead
13. Papalii

14. Havili
15. Sutton
16. Lui
17. L Bateman
Guler, horsburgh and Murchie first drop.
I’m hoping Horsburgh and Guler are in the 16,17 instead of those two


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2020: 1. Nicol-Klokstad 2. Cotric 3. Croker (c) 4 Leilua 5. Scott 6. Wighton 7. G. Williams 8. Papalii 9. Hodgson (c) 10. Sutton 11. J. Bateman 12. Whitehead 13. Tapine ----
14. Simmonson 15. Soliola 16. Guler 17. Horsburgh
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greeneyed wrote: February 13, 2019, 9:03 pm I was pretty happy with the 2016 trial in Orange. The top team was intense and looked good, and blew the Knights away. Look what happened in 2016.

I was unhappy with what's happened in trials since. The top team has looked totally disinterested in the trials and it showed in the performances. That attitude came from the top.

I'm going to no doubt be hammered by the usual suspects... but I think we are a team that needs to be performing well in the trials and gain confidence from them if we're to start the season well. In my view, trials are more important than the coaches usually say.

Last year we needed to use trials to experiment how we were going to play without Hodgson... instead we did it in the opening month of the competition and it was a disaster.

This year we need to be getting our new spine combinations and forward combinations working in the trials. I'm not confident we're going to start any better in 2019, given what we're hearing.
Agree 100%. When our management dont take trials seriously, that attitude flows down the the squad.

The team named today is a waste of time in my opinion, with a new backrow combination, new prop rotation, new halves combo and still no idea who will be our fullback, these players should get bulk time to form combos and decision.

Naming this side shows we have learnt nothing.
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Coastalraider wrote:
greeneyed wrote: February 13, 2019, 9:03 pm I was pretty happy with the 2016 trial in Orange. The top team was intense and looked good, and blew the Knights away. Look what happened in 2016.

I was unhappy with what's happened in trials since. The top team has looked totally disinterested in the trials and it showed in the performances. That attitude came from the top.

I'm going to no doubt be hammered by the usual suspects... but I think we are a team that needs to be performing well in the trials and gain confidence from them if we're to start the season well. In my view, trials are more important than the coaches usually say.

Last year we needed to use trials to experiment how we were going to play without Hodgson... instead we did it in the opening month of the competition and it was a disaster.

This year we need to be getting our new spine combinations and forward combinations working in the trials. I'm not confident we're going to start any better in 2019, given what we're hearing.
Agree 100%. When our management dont take trials seriously, that attitude flows down the the squad.

The team named today is a waste of time in my opinion, with a new backrow combination, new prop rotation, new halves combo and still no idea who will be our fullback, these players should get bulk time to form combos and decision.

Naming this side shows we have learnt nothing.
Even if you just throw the majority of your starters on for 10 - 20 minutes to blow off a bit of rust. Our fitness at the start of the past two years has been disgraceful.

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Dusty wrote: February 14, 2019, 11:15 am
Danaman137 wrote:
The Green Arrow wrote:
Brad Abbey
Luke Bateman
JJ Collins
Emre Guler
Siliva Havili
Corey Horsburgh
Royce Hunt
Dan Keir
Seb Kris
Dunamis Lui
Mathew Lyons
Dean Matterson
Jack Murchie
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Andre Niko
Reuben Porter
Tony Satini
Bailey Simonsson
Harley Smith-Shields
Tom Starling
Matt Timoko
Ryan Sutton
Sam Williams
Hudson Young

About what I was expecting given what's been said this week. Is O'Hagan still with the club?
Zero Tackle still has him contracted to us. Unsure why he’s not in this line up.


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Coastalraider wrote: February 14, 2019, 11:18 am
greeneyed wrote: February 13, 2019, 9:03 pm I was pretty happy with the 2016 trial in Orange. The top team was intense and looked good, and blew the Knights away. Look what happened in 2016.

I was unhappy with what's happened in trials since. The top team has looked totally disinterested in the trials and it showed in the performances. That attitude came from the top.

I'm going to no doubt be hammered by the usual suspects... but I think we are a team that needs to be performing well in the trials and gain confidence from them if we're to start the season well. In my view, trials are more important than the coaches usually say.

Last year we needed to use trials to experiment how we were going to play without Hodgson... instead we did it in the opening month of the competition and it was a disaster.

This year we need to be getting our new spine combinations and forward combinations working in the trials. I'm not confident we're going to start any better in 2019, given what we're hearing.
Agree 100%. When our management dont take trials seriously, that attitude flows down the the squad.

The team named today is a waste of time in my opinion, with a new backrow combination, new prop rotation, new halves combo and still no idea who will be our fullback, these players should get bulk time to form combos and decision.

Naming this side shows we have learnt nothing.
I can live with our star studded backrow not making this trip.
I can live with our star outside backs not making this trip.

HOWEVER...
New spine requires combination building in game scenarios. You can do all the simulations etc you like, but you cannot create this at training. You just cant. I get that we want to protect Hodgo, esp after last yr, but give them all 20mins together at least.

I agree this is a MASSIVE mistake.
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So Wighton, Cotric, Croker, Leilua, Oldfield, Sezer, Papalii, Whitehad, Bateman, Hodgson and co will play 15-20 mins v Bulldogs next weekend and we roll into R1 three weeks later...

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This trial is for the players outside the top squad to impress. There are a couple of spots available. If they want to be in the team then they need to aim up. If we don't have competition for spots then players will become comfortable.

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I’ve listened to Ricky’s interview, and he says it’s good for the young players to get a taste of what it is like to play first graders. And so they’ll know where they are at in their development. But they’re playing about 10 players who are not in the plans for first grade in 2020... they’ll be playing Mounties or lower grades... and aren’t in the top 30.

And isn’t it more important to get untested combinations, particularly in the spine, working in something approximating match conditions?
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I think the idea is that they do a lot of game simulations and opposed sessions in training. What is the ideal amount of trials. I've seen us win 2 trials and then lose the 1st few weeks of the season proper.

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I dunno if I'll drive the 4hr round trip

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LimeGreenMachine wrote: February 14, 2019, 11:45 am I think the idea is that they do a lot of game simulations and opposed sessions in training. What is the ideal amount of trials. I've seen us win 2 trials and then lose the 1st few weeks of the season proper.

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I understand the point you make, but my opinion is that opposed sessions is where we find out if a kid is up to the standard to give a mounties contract - not an NRL trial. We only have 1 spot left on our roster so we will not upgrade anyone from this match- this trial should be about giving our top 20 players minutes together and giving combinations time to gel, not to finalise our development players.

Opposed session are fine to a point - but the MAJOR issue with opposed sessions is you always know what the 'opposition' is doing, and you only play to your own level.

Playing against an unknown opposition, regardless of strength, exposes weaknesses in your thinking, as you dont know what will come next. Our defence likely looks amazing in our opposed sessions, because the defensive team know all the attacking teams plays. Defensive structures and our new spine should get a good run in this match to expose issues, which we can train for and implement in time for trial number 2.

This trail will in NO WAY maximise our learnings from the opportunity.
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I also dont think this trial is that important. It isnt going to be much different to a training run. Players will be coming on and off and all in different positions. The opposition isnt really going to offer too much in the sense of regular first grade game. It wont offer a genuine guide to where we are or need to be. Both clubs are treating it similar , basically all clubs are doing the same thing
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