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I don't wanna be a hater...... But Abby isn't worth the sweat on Raps #####. Surely there's no conjecture on Oldfield taking his spot..... Unless we're about to announce the shock signing of Val Holmes
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I't's possible that before Raps injury, Raiders might've been looking to go
1. Rapana
5. Oldfield
6. Wighton

in which case Raiders might start next year with
1. Abbey
5. Oldfield
6. Wighton

I'd prefer to see Williams in the side rather than Abbey if it comes to that, but ideally we need another top 13 signing at the least
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I think unless we sign someone good late Wighton will be fullback again. If Abbey plays fullback we are in trouble.
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I think Sid is on the money here.

Also agree we’re in trouble though
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I think things are looking very bleak for the Raiders in 2019. Williams as a permanent half is a step backward, props that are average and largely untested and the loss of Rapana the first 12 rounds, who is arguably our best player. The only positions that look solid are our back row, lock, and hooker. Backline gets a pass mark, but the halves are my biggest worry.

Seriously, unless Stuart and the Furner boys come up with a couple of surprise big-name signings, I think they're dead in the water and I think that people will start calling for Stuart's head. I'm really really hoping I'm wrong.
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Mr. Snrub wrote: December 3, 2018, 1:14 pm I think things are looking very bleak for the Raiders in 2019. Williams as a permanent half is a step backward, props that are average and largely untested and the loss of Rapana the first 12 rounds, who is arguably our best player. The only positions that look solid are our back row, lock, and hooker. Backline gets a pass mark, but the halves are my biggest worry.

Seriously, unless Stuart and the Furner boys come up with a couple of surprise big-name signings, I think they're dead in the water and I think that people will start calling for Stuart's head. I'm really really hoping I'm wrong.
It doesn't look overly positive does it. Unless BJ and Croker find their 2016 form again we could be in dire trouble by the time Rapana is fit again.
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Mr. Snrub wrote: December 3, 2018, 1:14 pm I think things are looking very bleak for the Raiders in 2019. Williams as a permanent half is a step backward, props that are average and largely untested and the loss of Rapana the first 12 rounds, who is arguably our best player. The only positions that look solid are our back row, lock, and hooker. Backline gets a pass mark, but the halves are my biggest worry.

Seriously, unless Stuart and the Furner boys come up with a couple of surprise big-name signings, I think they're dead in the water and I think that people will start calling for Stuart's head. I'm really really hoping I'm wrong.
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RedRaider wrote:It's best if you continue with your Abbey amnesia PJ.

JJ Collins is about 6' tall. He is on the smaller side of front row forwards. Hopefully there is a lot of fight in the dog rather than a lot of dog in the fight props he is looking to replace.
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dubby wrote: December 3, 2018, 6:20 pm
RedRaider wrote:It's best if you continue with your Abbey amnesia PJ.

JJ Collins is about 6' tall. He is on the smaller side of front row forwards. Hopefully there is a lot of fight in the dog rather than a lot of dog in the fight props he is looking to replace.
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Red, Boyd was 6'4 ish and 120kg. Had the turning circle of an elephant.

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boydy80 wrote: December 3, 2018, 10:22 am But Abby isn't worth the sweat on Raps #####
In fairness, no one is
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Give Abby a break. He's a 21-year-old who weighs about as much as Sezer and has 13 NRL appearances under his belt.

I was just looking at the thread about Liam Knight and people were bitching that a lot of fringe players weren't given a chance under Stuart. Yet, here we are saying Abby shouldn't be considered. Let him and Oldfield fight it out in pre-season games.

Let's not even think about moving Wighton to 5/8th. It took him until this year to become a decent fullback.
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Video: Sezer and Abbey visit Wagga Wagga: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2018/12 ... gga-wagga/
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VIDEO: Canberra Raiders back Michael Oldfield provides update on knee injury

Versatile outside back Michael Oldfield has provided an update on how the squad have been approaching pre-season differently in 2019 as he continues his rehabilitation from a knee injury.

Video: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2018/12 ... ee-injury/
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Canberra Raiders stars report early for NRL pre-season

Canberra stars Josh Hodgson, Whitehead and Joe Tapine are already back at Raiders headquarters for training weeks before they are due to join the main group.

"It is nice to see those boys back because everyone gets a buzz when they come back," Raiders winger Nick Cotric said. "Everyone loves those boys so it’s good to see them back at training already, I don’t think they’re meant to be back for another two weeks. They’re keen, so it’s good."

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Nothing but admiration for the professionalism of Hodgson and Whitehead, and looks like Tapine is following in their footsteps too. This is a very good sign.
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Could the Canberra Raiders Jordan Rapana salary cap relief jeopardise Michael Oldfield’s hopes of a starting spot?

With Jordan Rapana sidelined until at least round 13 after shoulder surgery, Michael Oldfield could be the man to replace one of the Raiders’ best attacking weapons. But as pre-season heats up, he’s certainly not expecting to just walk into the No.5 jumper.

“It’s obviously disappointing with Raps (Jordan Rapana) being out with his shoulder, poor bloke’s had a lot of issues with that over the years and it’s just obviously come to a very bad ending there,” he said.

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who would posters consider the best fringe winger in the competition that won't get a starting spot next year?

If they're coming off contract at their current club at the end of 2019 they could be enticed to break contract and come to Canberra for 1+ years given they'd be guaranteed 12 games (if they remain better than Oldfield)
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Penrith seem to have extraordinary depth all over the park.

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That's what happens when you keep your investment in juniors
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I don't know how he manages to keep the majority of them. He learnt a thing or two at the Roosters I guess.

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VIDEO: Canberra Raiders Nick Cotric and Michael Oldfield speak about the Green Machine's pre season training

The Raiders pre-season is heating up! For some this is the perfect time to impress especially with the club looking to fill the hole left by an injured Jordan Rapana, Nine News Canberra reports.

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Looks like Jack spent those 10 weeks in the gym. Interesting to see if he busts a few more tackles next year with the added power.

Havillii doing a bit of dummy half by the look of it.
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So with Cotric staying on the wing we're:

1. Wighton
6. Williams
7. Sezer

You'd hope that Abbey is not an option to start the year. I'd rather Williams in the halves than Abbey at fullback.
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dubby wrote: December 3, 2018, 6:20 pm
RedRaider wrote:It's best if you continue with your Abbey amnesia PJ.

JJ Collins is about 6' tall. He is on the smaller side of front row forwards. Hopefully there is a lot of fight in the dog rather than a lot of dog in the fight props he is looking to replace.
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What, thou must be 6'6" to be good? Look at Tilse. Complete gumby that shouldn't have played as many as he did.

Red, Boyd was 6'4 ish and 120kg. Had the turning circle of an elephant.

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Dubs I don't see any call for a Tilse type in my post. In fact I was a critic of his slow lateral movement and inability to get low enough on our goal line.

The point I was making is that JJ is not large for a prop. Neither is Lui. I think the bloke with the highest average meters gained in 2018 is being shown the door. The coach gets rid of large athletic props like Vaughan. After the failure of the behemoths he has gone for smallish players in recruitment.

The team recruitment is his. He was a great attacking player and I think it carries over into his coaching. He has little idea about defence or coaching defence. To maintain the defensive pressure the players need to be fitter than they have proved in recent years. I just don't think he has many defensive coaching clues.
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I’ve been thinking about our best 17 that could run out in round 1 and there are a few options especially in relation to the make up of the bench and possibly the halves (which would impact who would wear 1 or 12)

I feel that bringing Jack to 6 would significantly weaken fullback but stiffen up our defence... Moving Whitehead to 6 would lessen his impact and I believe upset him if it were a long term move.

My 17 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield
6. Williams
7. Sezer
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Guler
17. Lui

18. Knight
19. Murchie
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14. Simmonson 15. Soliola 16. Guler 17. Horsburgh
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I think that's probably how we run out in Rd 1 Dusty, barring injury in trial/s. Maybe swapping Soliola and Sutton.

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That’s not as bad a punishment as I thought it was. Seems it’s worth giving away a sin bin to save a 6 pointer
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Sid wrote:That’s not as bad a punishment as I thought it was. Seems it’s worth giving away a sin bin to save a 6 pointer
It is harder to analyse the real impact though within regards to momentum, fatigue etc.


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Even factoring that in, you had a lot of teams winning with sin binned players.

That’s why the ref crackdown is needed. Too many teams trading on the strategy of deliberate penalties, and the bin doesn’t come soon enough
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Dusty wrote: December 8, 2018, 6:48 am I’ve been thinking about our best 17 that could run out in round 1 and there are a few options especially in relation to the make up of the bench and possibly the halves (which would impact who would wear 1 or 12)

I feel that bringing Jack to 6 would significantly weaken fullback but stiffen up our defence... Moving Whitehead to 6 would lessen his impact and I believe upset him if it were a long term move.

My 17 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield
6. Williams
7. Sezer
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Guler
17. Lui

18. Knight
19. Murchie
20. Horsburgh*
The problem with that 13 is you have 1 metre maker in the front 3. J Bateman is a bulldog and Suttton is a tackler (so far).
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zim wrote:
Dusty wrote: December 8, 2018, 6:48 am I’ve been thinking about our best 17 that could run out in round 1 and there are a few options especially in relation to the make up of the bench and possibly the halves (which would impact who would wear 1 or 12)

I feel that bringing Jack to 6 would significantly weaken fullback but stiffen up our defence... Moving Whitehead to 6 would lessen his impact and I believe upset him if it were a long term move.

My 17 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield
6. Williams
7. Sezer
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Guler
17. Lui

18. Knight
19. Murchie
20. Horsburgh*
The problem with that 13 is you have 1 metre maker in the front 3. J Bateman is a bulldog and Suttton is a tackler (so far).
Don't worry Ricky will get that tackler part out of his game quick smart

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