Nail it or fail again - What is the pass mark for the Raiders in 2019?

[greeneyed]

Nail it or fail again? The pass mark for each NRL club and their coaches in 2019

Canberra Raiders

Pass: Ricky Stuart was brought to the club to win a premiership and after finishing a game short of a grand final in 2016, the club has missed the finals the past two seasons. Finals football is a must for the Raiders in 2019.

Fail: Missing the eight for a third consecutive season would put Ricky Stuart’s job in grave danger.

Expectations: The Raiders showed they can match it with the best in beating the Rabbitohs and the Roosters late last season, but they need to deliver their best footy consistently to push for a top six finish and a home final, to bring their fans into play.

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[Shezza]

Ricky's job won't be in grave danger. Goodness me. Is this guy new or something?

[Zeb]

Please don't think we were matching it with the best by beating the Roosters and Souths.
The game meant nothing to those two teams who only played at 60-70%. i am sure if they really to they could quite easily have given us a touch-up, as did every other top 8 team.

[Sid]

pass mark if the club doesn't get relegated or go bust

[woppadingo]

Top 8 is just a fair to middling result. Its barely a pass and plenty of teams sack coaches who achieve only this.
For me a successful season is measured by the old school finals qualifying mark- top 5.
I believe we have a squad that can achieve this. My only doubts concern the coach.

[-PJ-]

50% of clubs play in Sept.

We haven't been in THAT 50% for 2yrs.

It's a major dissapointment, it really is.

[reptar]

50% of clubs play in Sept.

We haven't been in THAT 50% for 2yrs.

It's a major dissapointment, it really is.

I'm disappointed and dismayed

[Botman]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

[Roger Kenworthy]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

I think this is about his 3rd rebuild in 6 seasons isn't it?

[Matt]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

Amen

[Raiders_Pat]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

Amen

Can't disagree with any of this. I had a bit of optimism that we would be recruiting some fresh players coming in to the 2019 season after shedding some highly paid talent this year – to only sign a couple ESL players so far and to hear reports that we have no spare money is enraging. Were our coaching staff planning to let this coming season be a flop so they can recruit for 2020? It’s just not good enough.

We need to push for a top four spot in 2019 and be a genuine premiership threat in 2020. If our coaching staff can’t deliver that then they need to go without a question. Any rebuilding should be happening under a new coach imo (and by that, I don’t mean promoting failing assistant coaches to the top gig either). If we are looking just as mediocre as we did in 2018 by the middle of the 2019 season then Ricky needs to go

[Coastalraider]

Just did some maths as I had a curious moment - teams average finishing positions (during regualr season) during Ricky's reign:

Storm - 2.8
Roosters - 4
Broncos - 4.8
Panthers - 6.6
Cowboys - 6.6
Sharks - 6.8
Rabbits - 7.4
Bulldogs - 8.4
Sea Eagles - 9
Dragons - 9.2
Raiders - 9.4
Warriors - 10.6
Eels - 11.2
Tigers - 12
Titans - 13
Knights - 14.2


Id say thats worth an extension!

[RedRaider]

Anything outside the Top 8 in any season is a fail imo. Yes there will be injury, suspension and loss of form, but those factors affect all clubs to some extent. Given that sides which regularly compete for the title are Top 5 defensive sides, if we are not in this ranking defensively by the end of next season that will also be a fail imo. We will know by the end of the preseason if we have done enough training. If we haven't had at least 2 trial matches when every other NRL club has, that will be a fail. If as a result of lack of preseason effort we are again run down match after match that will also be a fail.

So for me, Top 8 is a must whilst being a Top 5 defensive side.

[nemesis]

Please don't think we were matching it with the best by beating the Roosters and Souths.
The game meant nothing to those two teams who only played at 60-70%. i am sure if they really to they could quite easily have given us a touch-up, as did every other top 8 team.

they were fighting for the minor premiership, cheers to another **** comment on here.

why can't people just give credit when it's due

[nemesis]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

**** the roster?? seriously, maybe go back and see the roster before ricky came, it was **** house compared to this one

[Makaveli]

And got the same results

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[Raiders666]

Please don't think we were matching it with the best by beating the Roosters and Souths.
The game meant nothing to those two teams who only played at 60-70%. i am sure if they really to they could quite easily have given us a touch-up, as did every other top 8 team.

Pretty sure they were both playing for the minor premiership??

[Green eyed Mick]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

**** the roster?? seriously, maybe go back and see the roster before ricky came, it was **** house compared to this one

What the **** has Ricky done about it? Our biggest problem on the field before Ricky arrived was middle forwards that were consistently bent over by their opposites and halves that couldn't manage a game of park footy. Our biggest problem off the field was nepotism manifesting itself in a lack of accountability throughout the organisation, a lack of vision and a readiness to look for excuses and blame others for problems of their own making.

In 2018 our biggest problems on the field were middle forwards who were consistently bested by their opposites and halves that couldn't manage a park football game. Off the field it continued to be a case of nepotism and incompetence manifesting itself in excuses and a complete lack of accountability.

Top 4 is more than fair for any coach coming into his 6th season. When it comes to Don, who is entering his 10th or 11th season as CEO a ****ing premiership should be the only acceptable outcome.

CEOs and coaches at a number of organisations have been dumped far sooner and with better results than anything Don or Sticky have delivered in their time at the Raiders.

[Lui_Bon]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

**** the roster?? seriously, maybe go back and see the roster before ricky came, it was **** house compared to this one

What the **** has Ricky done about it? Our biggest problem on the field before Ricky arrived was middle forwards that were consistently bent over by their opposites and halves that couldn't manage a game of park footy. Our biggest problem off the field was nepotism manifesting itself in a lack of accountability throughout the organisation, a lack of vision and a readiness to look for excuses and blame others for problems of their own making.

In 2018 our biggest problems on the field were middle forwards who were consistently bested by their opposites and halves that couldn't manage a park football game. Off the field it continued to be a case of nepotism and incompetence manifesting itself in excuses and a complete lack of accountability.

Top 4 is more than fair for any coach coming into his 6th season. When it comes to Don, who is entering his 10th or 11th season as CEO a ****ing premiership should be the only acceptable outcome.

CEOs and coaches at a number of organisations have been dumped far sooner and with better results than anything Don or Sticky have delivered in their time at the Raiders.

Yeah nah. Nah to the bold bit. Our biggest problem was an inability to defend - either through immobile individuals (Paulo, Boyd), insane individuals (Austin, Leilua), not very good tacklers (Williams), outmuscled defenders (Croker on occasion), or badly positioned fullbacks (er, Jack both in and out of civic). Thankfully some of that has gone, some may be fixed by better use of the interchange (fingers crossed) and some is just plain coaching. We score enough points. If we could tackle game management wouldn't even be an issue.

Fix all that and we absolutely should be top 4. I mean, how many points did we score? It's not like the team literally trooped off the field when they didn't have the ball... ok mentally they sure looked like they did. But please at least let us win a finals game again...

[Botman]

**** the roster?? seriously, maybe go back and see the roster before ricky came, it was **** house compared to this one

I saw it, it was trash.
The coach was trash and yet he went to the finals more often and has basically the same win % as Stuart has now now with a far better roster, which through his own mismanagement has been declining since 2016.


Enough excuses. Even ardent Furner fans ran out patience by this point. If the 2019 Raiders are contenders, what the **** has Stuart done in 6 years to warrant a 7th?

Year 6. Get it done, or Stuart, Furner and Mulholland should be **** RIGHT off.

[Seiffert82]

Yep, Top 4 is a pass mark for this squad. Top 8 and the coach might have just done enough to keep his job.

Miss the 8 again and serious questions need to be asked.

[Matt]

Just did some maths as I had a curious moment - teams average finishing positions (during regualr season) during Ricky's reign:

Storm - 2.8
Roosters - 4
Broncos - 4.8
Panthers - 6.6
Cowboys - 6.6
Sharks - 6.8
Rabbits - 7.4
Bulldogs - 8.4
Sea Eagles - 9
Dragons - 9.2
Raiders - 9.4
Warriors - 10.6
Eels - 11.2
Tigers - 12
Titans - 13
Knights - 14.2


Id say thats worth an extension!

[dubby]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

We're not a top 4 team with Sam Williams in the halves. It absolutely stuns me that a man of your football acumen could demand a top 4 finish, as we sit today.

I believe we could make 6-8. At best. Realistically, we're looking 10 again. Purely because we are one quality half short.

We've got a decent pack. A world class 9. Great wingers. A decent fullback.
Leilua is an absolute liability in defence. That can be worked on, granted.

We're a solid side. I'm not getting carried away thinking we're top 4 material. We're not.

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[sprintman]

Avoid the spoon

[dubby]

It's asinine to demand top 4 from a footy side that has Sam Williams in its halves. No criticism of Sam, he tries hard, but he's just not the player we need.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that people think we are top 4 stuff. We just aren't.

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[LastRaider]

Just did some maths as I had a curious moment - teams average finishing positions (during regualr season) during Ricky's reign:

Storm - 2.8
Roosters - 4
Broncos - 4.8
Panthers - 6.6
Cowboys - 6.6
Sharks - 6.8
Rabbits - 7.4
Bulldogs - 8.4
Sea Eagles - 9
Dragons - 9.2
Raiders - 9.4
Warriors - 10.6
Eels - 11.2
Tigers - 12
Titans - 13
Knights - 14.2


Id say thats worth an extension!

This is a good benchmark to measure us against the Sharks. The Sharks started the rebuild stage at the same time as us and they have continued to build and be a consistent and solid top 8 club with a premiership. Hmmm


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[Botman]

We're not a top 4 team with Sam Williams in the halves. It absolutely stuns me that a man of your football acumen could demand a top 4 finish, as we sit today.

I believe we could make 6-8. At best. Realistically, we're looking 10 again. Purely because we are one quality half short.

We've got a decent pack. A world class 9. Great wingers. A decent fullback.
Leilua is an absolute liability in defence. That can be worked on, granted.

We're a solid side. I'm not getting carried away thinking we're top 4 material. We're not.

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Stuart moulded this squad, if Sam Williams is a starting half, it's HIS fault.
I know FULL well we are not a top 4 squad, and the reason it isnt is because of the coach whose going into his 6th season

Again, im not going to give this **** **** a chance to have the expectations lowered because of HIS mismanagement, just so he can met them and get 7th crack at it.

This is HIS team, he got us to this point and if HE cant get it done with HIS squad. HE needs to **** off. Simple as that, Dubby.

This is a coach in his 6th season, 5 years worth of time... if you get FIVE years of time in professional sports, you'd damn well better be putting on a winner in the 6th season. This is a results driven business and he's done NOTHING to warrant another season unless he delivers results. And i dont care if the top 4 expectations are unrealistic for the squad HE built. Stuart has had enough time to figure it out, and if the team isnt up to it, that's on him.

Get it done, or **** off. Simple.

[Botman]

It's asinine to demand top 4 from a footy side that has Sam Williams in its halves. No criticism of Sam, he tries hard, but he's just not the player we need.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that people think we are top 4 stuff. We just aren't.

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In a stunning shock to all concerned, you're completely missing an obvious point.

[dubby]

It's not that simple.

Blake Austin was our 6. He came for the opportunity, played good footy for a bit and turned into a grade A clown that couldn't tackle a 12 year old, and grew an ego the size of Belconnen.

So we ended up using our back-up half, while the club goes searching for a replacement, Austin goes to the ESL where he expects to be welcomed like a god, and we're still stuck with our back-up.

Unless you're the Roosters or Broncos it's really not that easy to buy. I mean, the Knights are throwing $1.2 mill per season at David Klemmer!

It just isn't that easy mate, and you know it

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[Botman]

It's not that simple.

Blake Austin was our 6. He came for the opportunity, played good footy for a bit and turned into a grade A clown that couldn't tackle a 12 year old, and grew an ego the size of Belconnen.

So we ended up using our back-up half, while the club goes searching for a replacement, Austin goes to the ESL where he expects to be welcomed like a god, and we're still stuck with our back-up.

Unless you're the Roosters or Broncos it's really not that easy to buy. I mean, the Knights are throwing $1.2 mill per season at David Klemmer!

It just isn't that easy mate, and you know it

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Austin regressed every year under this coach.
As did Sezer
As did literally EVERY HALF HE'S EVER COACHED.

Its not easy, but after 5 years of total failure and a team built entirely by you... you dont get to use the strength of the squad an excuse for failure. That's not how this **** works and YOU know it.

Top 4. I dont care if Stuart's squad sucks, if it sucks and it isnt good enough then thats on him at this point. And if the squad sucks and isnt good enough, there is absolutely no reason to believe that after 6 years of failure he can turn it around in year 7 and 8, so he's got to go.
And it absolutely is THAT simple, anyone saying other wise are **** cucks.

[Off]

Piggy bringing the pain to the house, totally agree pig, this club is ****.

[thedevilingreen]

Top 4.
Im not letting this **** bag of a coach get away with completely **** the roster and then having the expectations lowered to such an extent that he can continue to be a **** bag Coach and get a pass mark

2019 will be Stuart 6th year in charge. SIX!
You dont get to be rebuilding in your 6th year when you've missed the finals in 4 of your previous 5 years. We havent even been built, let alone a rebuild!

This is Stuart's team. This is his squad and it's either good enough in year 6 to push for a premiership, or he should be fired.
That simple.

If you've been given 5 years to build a contender, you'd had better **** deliver it in year 6.
Top 4 or **** off.

But Phil Gould is in like year 8 of his 5 year plan and he is still around

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[Botman]

Name me one other NRL coach who has been at his club for five years who havent won **** and have expectations of "maybe we make the top 8"?

**** it... ill do it for you:

Brisbane - Bennett: 4 years, premiership or bust, already decided to move on after sub par performace
Canterbury - Pay: 1 year, struggling club trying to rebuild
Cronulla - Flanagan: 8 years, premiership 2 years ago, yearly contenders
Gold Coast - Brennen: 1 year, struggling club trying to rebuild
Manly - Hasler: About to start his first year at the club after a few years apart where he delivered astounding levels of succes
Storm - Bellemy: NEXT
NZ - Kearney: 2 years, probably needs to make the 8 this year to retain his job
Knights - Brown: 3 years, he might get to a 4th year without a major leap, but i doubt it.
Cowboys - Green: 5 years, 1 premiership, yearly contenders until last year, now about to enter a rebuild, has earned the right to try to rebuld
Eels - Arthur: 5 years, no success, trash unit... THIS IS THE COMPANY WE KEEP. The Parramatta **** Eels.
Souths - Seibold: 1 year, top 4, signed up for the Broncos. Expected to compete for a title again this year
Roosters - Robinson: 6 years. Cant coach, over-rated wouldnt be... blah blah **** blah, y'all can STFU. 6 years, 2 premierships, 3 top 4 finishes.
Dragons - McGregor: 4 years. Perpetually on the hot seat, has almost been sacked at least 3 times. Was insane levels of stupidity from his team way from a prelim final last year, will be fired if he doesn't deliver this year
Panthers - Cleary: 0 years. Just turfed a pretty well performing coach because they didnt think he couldnt get it done and they needed to keep Nathan
Tigers - McGuire: 0 years. Cleary got a lot out of a very bad squad, lost him to a club because of the father-son relationship, signed McGuire to replace him.

Canberra: 5 years, we hope we can scrape into the top 8, but fully accept we're probably going bottom 5... missing the finals for the 5th time in 6 years

The ONLY club comparable in terms of tenure, success and expectations is Parramatta. We're the Eels

[thedevilingreen]

Look to be honest if we start like we did this year you'd hope the board grow a set and sack him. I was on the brink with how we started this year and went over when Stuart sat in that press conference and blamed everyone but the team and himself the man is an egotistical fool (and I use fool because I can't use what I really want to say) with a messiah complex that has no sign of ending.

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[Northern Raider]

The ONLY club comparable in terms of tenure, success and expectations is Parramatta. We're the Eels

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