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Would you like to see Shaun Johnson join the Raiders?

Yes, of course
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Just watching the superstars of league for shaun johnson and its amazing how easily we make him look like an immortal... in the 3 games they showed he scored over 50 points against us :clap:
with johnson in our team we'd be unstoppable!
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Opinion time! Do we become a genuine premiership contender if we sign Johnson and where do you think we will finish at the end of the regular season?
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It doesn’t matter who we sign. In my opinion we don’t become a genuine contender with Stuart as coach.
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RTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 5:47 am It doesn’t matter who we sign. In my opinion we don’t become a genuine contender with Stuart as coach.
2 years ago we came within 2 points of a grand final with stuart as coach. Some people have very short memories. 🤔 We lost a semi final in a match where we lost by 2 points against the eventual premiers cronulla, in a match where we lost our most influential player, Hodgson when we were dominating and up 12-0.

We then went on to lose by 2, in Melbourne against the eventual runners up in a match where we lost our captain and leilua leaving us with no centres.

If Hodgson who was one of the best players in the nrl in 2016 did not get injured I have not a single doubt in my mind that we go on to beat cronulla that day.
If that had happened we then would of gone to ANZ to play the cowboys for a spot in the grand final and at this stage they were that busted and fatigued it wasnt funny and from memory they got annihilated in the prelim. We would of and should of been in the grand final and potentially premiers.

We also had Eddie lee in our team who effective put the final nail(s) in our coffin.

That ain't coaching, coaching wise we were in a position to win those games and for a shot at a grand final.

Ricky stuart is a good coach, if he wasn't we wouldnt have the roster we currently have, we would not of been in that position in 2016 and finally players would not be coming to Canberra and the players that are already here would not be re-signing on 4 and 5 year deals, or re-signing at all for that matter.

Our problem is not our coach, not in the slightest. Our problem is that we lack a player in the halves who can stand up and grab the game by the scruf of the neck when it matters most. In situations like we faced in 2016, and in situations we have faced ever since where we have been losing the majority of our games by 1-6 points.
If stuart was such a rubbish coach we would not be as competitive as we have been over the last few years. Sure we havent got a lot of the results but we have ALWAYS been in the fight right until the final minutes, we never give up and are capable of a comeback from any deficit.

For me, they are all signs of a good coach and a coach that the players well and truly want to play under.
The culture has also turned around remarkably since Stuart's arrival.
All he has done since his arrival has been good, unfortunately a lot of people get too caught up in the unwarranted negative stuart stigma to see that..
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JezTez1984 wrote:
RTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 5:47 am It doesn’t matter who we sign. In my opinion we don’t become a genuine contender with Stuart as coach.
2 years ago we came within 2 points of a grand final with stuart as coach. Some people have very short memories. Image We lost a semi final in a match where we lost by 2 points against the eventual premiers cronulla, in a match where we lost our most influential player, Hodgson when we were dominating and up 12-0.

We then went on to lose by 2, in Melbourne against the eventual runners up in a match where we lost our captain and leilua leaving us with no centres.

If Hodgson who was one of the best players in the nrl in 2016 did not get injured I have not a single doubt in my mind that we go on to beat cronulla that day.
If that had happened we then would of gone to ANZ to play the cowboys for a spot in the grand final and at this stage they were that busted and fatigued it wasnt funny and from memory they got annihilated in the prelim. We would of and should of been in the grand final and potentially premiers.

We also had Eddie lee in our team who effective put the final nail(s) in our coffin.

That ain't coaching, coaching wise we were in a position to win those games and for a shot at a grand final.

Ricky stuart is a good coach, if he wasn't we wouldnt have the roster we currently have, we would not of been in that position in 2016 and finally players would not be coming to Canberra and the players that are already here would not be re-signing on 4 and 5 year deals, or re-signing at all for that matter.

Our problem is not our coach, not in the slightest. Our problem is that we lack a player in the halves who can stand up and grab the game by the scruf of the neck when it matters most. In situations like we faced in 2016, and in situations we have faced ever since where we have been losing the majority of our games by 1-6 points.
If stuart was such a rubbish coach we would not be as competitive as we have been over the last few years. Sure we havent got a lot of the results but we have ALWAYS been in the fight right until the final minutes, we never give up and are capable of a comeback from any deficit.

For me, they are all signs of a good coach and a coach that the players well and truly want to play under.
The culture has also turned around remarkably since Stuart's arrival.
All he has done since his arrival has been good, unfortunately a lot of people get too caught up in the unwarranted negative stuart stigma to see that..
I’m all for the spin and the optimism. We’re all guilty of it supporting a team like ours. But when it comes down to it, losing is losing.


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JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 6:12 am
RTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 5:47 am It doesn’t matter who we sign. In my opinion we don’t become a genuine contender with Stuart as coach.
2 years ago we came within 2 points of a grand final with stuart as coach. Some people have very short memories. 🤔 We lost a semi final in a match where we lost by 2 points against the eventual premiers cronulla, in a match where we lost our most influential player, Hodgson when we were dominating and up 12-0.

We then went on to lose by 2, in Melbourne against the eventual runners up in a match where we lost our captain and leilua leaving us with no centres.

If Hodgson who was one of the best players in the nrl in 2016 did not get injured I have not a single doubt in my mind that we go on to beat cronulla that day.
If that had happened we then would of gone to ANZ to play the cowboys for a spot in the grand final and at this stage they were that busted and fatigued it wasnt funny and from memory they got annihilated in the prelim. We would of and should of been in the grand final and potentially premiers.

We also had Eddie lee in our team who effective put the final nail(s) in our coffin.

That ain't coaching, coaching wise we were in a position to win those games and for a shot at a grand final.

Ricky stuart is a good coach, if he wasn't we wouldnt have the roster we currently have, we would not of been in that position in 2016 and finally players would not be coming to Canberra and the players that are already here would not be re-signing on 4 and 5 year deals, or re-signing at all for that matter.

Our problem is not our coach, not in the slightest. Our problem is that we lack a player in the halves who can stand up and grab the game by the scruf of the neck when it matters most. In situations like we faced in 2016, and in situations we have faced ever since where we have been losing the majority of our games by 1-6 points.
If stuart was such a rubbish coach we would not be as competitive as we have been over the last few years. Sure we havent got a lot of the results but we have ALWAYS been in the fight right until the final minutes, we never give up and are capable of a comeback from any deficit.

For me, they are all signs of a good coach and a coach that the players well and truly want to play under.
The culture has also turned around remarkably since Stuart's arrival.
All he has done since his arrival has been good, unfortunately a lot of people get too caught up in the unwarranted negative stuart stigma to see that..
Don't get Ricky the coach and Ricky the messiah mixed up here.

He's an NRL coach who's win/loss ratio is less than 50% over a long coaching career. It's a results driven business..his results in 5 completed seasons are dull. Look at other clubs..moving on coaches.

Penrith moved on Hook 5 weeks out from the finals..they were sitting 5th.
Brisbane, Souths, Tigers, Manly have all made new coaching appointment..I loathe all these clubs but at least they are chasing the prize..a premiership !!!

Ricky needs to step up BIG TIME..

His bench use is poor. He kept Austin in the side for near on a year to long. He's to chummy with boys and couldn't drop anyone, instead he'd roll out the "unlucky" line week after week.

What Ricky does outside of football is fantastic...no doubt.

But we here want success yes ?

I dont want to be here in 2-3 years saying hey we haven't played finals since 16 but ain't that RStuart a good bloke.
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Considering he coached clubs such as parra and cronulla a 50% win-loss ratio ain't all that bad considering. He has also made numerous grand finals, won premierships, coached nsw and Australia and he even managed to get the sharks to an equal 1st place finish with a pretty dud roster. He was also a whisker away from a grand final/premiership just 2 years ago.
**** coaches don't achieve any of those things.
Theres plenty of coaches out there with similar percentages. What's Brad Arthur's % after 5 odd years at parra?? 10%? 15%?

Also on dropping players what you said is a bit off the mark, he has dropped plenty of players including huge names such as josh papalii, an Australian and Qld rep. What other coach would have the balls to drop a player of papalii's ability tell me that? Papalii is a leader at the club, a rep player, and one of the best forwards in the league and Ricky dropped him, and, it proved to be a masterstroke with Papalii producing arguably his career best form for the remainder of the season.

It's obviously still fresh in his mind too, coming back for preseason in peak fitness for probably the first time in his career.

That alone shows the players want to play for Ricky and that he can motivate them and get the best out of them. The problem is the players and I think you'll find releasing Paulo, boyd and austin our 3 biggest under performers will have a much bigger impact on our success than anyone realises.
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On Austin, he had a contract and we had no one to replace him? What good would it of been to get rid of him early to then be spending 500k + on a player who isnt at the club and having no one better to replace him.

Ricky rolled out the unlucky line a few times because in a number of games we have been seriously infuriatingly unlucky. Yes that's right, luck is a part of life and rugby league. Sometimes the bounce of the ball just doesnt go your way and that's just how it Is.
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JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 6:56 am Considering he coached clubs such as parra and cronulla a 50% win-loss ratio ain't all that bad considering. He has also made numerous grand finals, won premierships, coached nsw and Australia and he even managed to get the sharks to an equal 1st place finish with a pretty dud roster. He was also a whisker away from a grand final/premiership just 2 years ago.
**** coaches don't achieve any of those things.
Theres plenty of coaches out there with similar percentages. What's Brad Arthur's % after 5 odd years at parra?? 10%? 15%?

Also on dropping players what you said is a bit off the mark, he has dropped plenty of players including huge names such as josh papalii, an Australian and Qld rep. What other coach would have the balls to drop a player of papalii's ability tell me that? Papalii is a leader at the club, a rep player, and one of the best forwards in the league and Ricky dropped him, and, it proved to be a masterstroke with Papalii producing arguably his career best form for the remainder of the season.

It's obviously still fresh in his mind too, coming back for preseason in peak fitness for probably the first time in his career.

That alone shows the players want to play for Ricky and that he can motivate them and get the best out of them. The problem is the players and I think you'll find releasing Paulo, boyd and austin our 3 biggest under performers will have a much bigger impact on our success than anyone realises.
Papalii was out of form and was dropped..yes.

How about Paulo, Boyd and Austin ?

The moment they signed elsewhere they phoned it in..earlier even.

Liam Knight got no minutes, Jack Murchie debuted and was dropped and in the meantime our best prop in 2018...Dunamis Liu was starting from the bench while Paulo and Boyd for a free ride.

Emre Guler got 3 games and looked great.

Rickys got no idea..2 extensive end of season reviews has come up lemons.

And why are we lacking a half who can take a game by the scruff of the neck. No $$$$.

A lot of our squad are on inflated salaries..Wighton, Croker, Leilua etc.

It makes it difficult to keep our rep players happy when your paying fullbacks, wingers and centres a motza..

After 2016s success our squad were hit with the manic cash wand..

Since then they're gone backward.
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JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:05 am On Austin, he had a contract and we had no one to replace him? What good would it of been to get rid of him early to then be spending 500k + on a player who isnt at the club and having no one better to replace him.

Ricky rolled out the unlucky line a few times because in a number of games we have been seriously infuriatingly unlucky. Yes that's right, luck is a part of life and rugby league. Sometimes the bounce of the ball just doesnt go your way and that's just how it Is.
Leading by 14-20pts with 10mins to go isn't unlucky a dozen times...

I'm done here..we'll agree to disagree on the coaches credentials.

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-PJ- wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:15 am
JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 6:56 am Considering he coached clubs such as parra and cronulla a 50% win-loss ratio ain't all that bad considering. He has also made numerous grand finals, won premierships, coached nsw and Australia and he even managed to get the sharks to an equal 1st place finish with a pretty dud roster. He was also a whisker away from a grand final/premiership just 2 years ago.
**** coaches don't achieve any of those things.
Theres plenty of coaches out there with similar percentages. What's Brad Arthur's % after 5 odd years at parra?? 10%? 15%?

Also on dropping players what you said is a bit off the mark, he has dropped plenty of players including huge names such as josh papalii, an Australian and Qld rep. What other coach would have the balls to drop a player of papalii's ability tell me that? Papalii is a leader at the club, a rep player, and one of the best forwards in the league and Ricky dropped him, and, it proved to be a masterstroke with Papalii producing arguably his career best form for the remainder of the season.

It's obviously still fresh in his mind too, coming back for preseason in peak fitness for probably the first time in his career.

That alone shows the players want to play for Ricky and that he can motivate them and get the best out of them. The problem is the players and I think you'll find releasing Paulo, boyd and austin our 3 biggest under performers will have a much bigger impact on our success than anyone realises.
Papalii was out of form and was dropped..yes.

How about Paulo, Boyd and Austin ?

The moment they signed elsewhere they phoned it in..earlier even.

Liam Knight got no minutes, Jack Murchie debuted and was dropped and in the meantime our best prop in 2018...Dunamis Liu was starting from the bench while Paulo and Boyd for a free ride.

Emre Guler got 3 games and looked great.

Rickys got no idea..2 extensive end of season reviews has come up lemons.

And why are we lacking a half who can take a game by the scruff of the neck. No $$$$.

A lot of our squad are on inflated salaries..Wighton, Croker, Leilua etc.

It makes it difficult to keep our rep players happy when your paying fullbacks, wingers and centres a motza..

After 2016s success our squad were hit with the manic cash wand..

Since then they're gone backward.
What did you want Ricky to do seriously? Have a pack that consists of Lui, Guler and knight and sit and watch us get walloped by 50 every week???
Guler and Knight have barely shown any form that warrants a spot in the team, let alone the starting pack. As out of form as Boyd and Paulo were, you simply do not pick players like Guler and knight ahead of them, because when they decide to turn up, Paulo and Boyd are two of the most devastating props going around.
Ricky has since managed the situation to perfection, not re-signing any of these underperforming players and since replacing them with very good upgrades in particular Bateman who is the super leagues best forward. You already know what you're going to get with Sutton and Bateman, they are going to give their all each and every week just as our other 2 elite poms do.
I'm predicting Sutton and Bateman will produce much better form than the crap Paulo and boyd were producing for the last couple of years.

If by the end of pre season we have Johnson in our team then the credit must go to Rick for replacing the three biggest plodders and underperformers with 3 players that have the potential and ability to well and truly help us re-open our premiership window.
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-PJ- wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:19 am
JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:05 am On Austin, he had a contract and we had no one to replace him? What good would it of been to get rid of him early to then be spending 500k + on a player who isnt at the club and having no one better to replace him.

Ricky rolled out the unlucky line a few times because in a number of games we have been seriously infuriatingly unlucky. Yes that's right, luck is a part of life and rugby league. Sometimes the bounce of the ball just doesnt go your way and that's just how it Is.
Leading by 14-20pts with 10mins to go isn't unlucky a dozen times...

I'm done here..we'll agree to disagree on the coaches credentials.

Have a great day jizz...
We have not given up 14-20 point leads with 10 to go a dozen times but anyway.

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The problem with Ricky Stuart as coach is that he undoes some of the good things he can do like squad assembly and motivation, with some serious tactical flaws. Bench use, “strategies” like kicking early in the count while struggling for possession.

He seems incapable of admitting where the flaws are with him and his team and working to address them. So we get to watch our team be competitive, but lose in the same way every week because we don’t adjust what we’re doing...
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you can wax lyrically all you want about Ricky's success as a coach but his first and last premiership was 16 years ago. 16 years is a bloody long time without success in any professional sport. There isn't a coach from that period (2002) still currently coaching - without success.

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Riaan wrote: November 18, 2018, 3:29 pm
dubby wrote: November 18, 2018, 2:43 pm I was referring to consistency. Or lack thereof.

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Yep, this guy is the next Hayne or Foran. I won't be disappointed in the slightest if we don't sign him.
This is a a million dollar player who's club rarely if ever even makes the eight.
Gee I don’t agree with this at all.

Foran was always over rated. He was a good player but always genuinely second fiddle, a touch limited and carrying severe soft tissue injury concerns. Hayne was an absolute Beast and I was wrong about his career post NFL stint. All reports suggest it was attitude/training concerns though.

Johnson is a superstar. A superstar five-eighth who has been forced into the 7 at NZ in oft ordinary teams so putting their failures on him is harsh. It’s no coincidence that they went well when Maloney was there who is a bit of a Marshall and at the very least plays very straight.

Look Johnson to us is no chance but if he slotted in with Hodgson organizing and Sezer playing an anchor type role I really couldn’t see it going balls up barring injury.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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gangrenous wrote:The problem with Ricky Stuart as coach is that he undoes some of the good things he can do like squad assembly and motivation, with some serious tactical flaws. Bench use, “strategies” like kicking early in the count while struggling for possession.

He seems incapable of admitting where the flaws are with him and his team and working to address them. So we get to watch our team be competitive, but lose in the same way every week because we don’t adjust what we’re doing...
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Kicking early to avoid our anticipated weak goal line defense wasn't always a bad idea, although it was done way too often and that mindset might not occur as regularly next season with hopefully 'better defensive forwards'....and smarter halves...

I am all for recruiting Johnson if we were able to pull it off as he has football smarts and can read a game and knows when to roll the dice. If we don't get him I would rather Williams and Sezer in the halves than stick Wighton in there again. Whighton does not have the 'smarts' and does not read the game as well, similar to Austin but with less of a kicking game (and that's saying something)
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Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
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TongueFTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 10:51 am Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
Oh yeah that's why basically the entire team was in career best form. How can it be that the success in 2016 had nothing to do with Ricky's coaching ability but every other year is Ricky's fault. God some people are so daft 🤣 you cant have your cake and eat it too.
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JezTez1984 wrote:
TongueFTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 10:51 am Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
Oh yeah that's why basically the entire team was in career best form. How can it be that the success in 2016 had nothing to do with Ricky's coaching ability but every other year is Ricky's fault. God some people are so daft Image you cant have your cake and eat it too.
Success is winning. Not being pipped at the post, with a few ifs and buts thrown in. If Lee holds onto that pass bla, bla... It's loser talk. It's loser talk that has plagued the team for the past two seasons. It's loser talk that 'happy clappers' have been spruiking to gloss over Stuart's shortcomings as a coach. And it does not help the team.

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JezTez1984 wrote:
-PJ- wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:19 am
JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 7:05 am On Austin, he had a contract and we had no one to replace him? What good would it of been to get rid of him early to then be spending 500k + on a player who isnt at the club and having no one better to replace him.

Ricky rolled out the unlucky line a few times because in a number of games we have been seriously infuriatingly unlucky. Yes that's right, luck is a part of life and rugby league. Sometimes the bounce of the ball just doesnt go your way and that's just how it Is.
Leading by 14-20pts with 10mins to go isn't unlucky a dozen times...

I'm done here..we'll agree to disagree on the coaches credentials.

Have a great day jizz...
We have not given up 14-20 point leads with 10 to go a dozen times but anyway.

Yeah no worries BJ you have a good day too mate :)
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dubby wrote: November 20, 2018, 9:49 am
gangrenous wrote:The problem with Ricky Stuart as coach is that he undoes some of the good things he can do like squad assembly and motivation, with some serious tactical flaws. Bench use, “strategies” like kicking early in the count while struggling for possession.

He seems incapable of admitting where the flaws are with him and his team and working to address them. So we get to watch our team be competitive, but lose in the same way every week because we don’t adjust what we’re doing...
We kicked early under Furner as well

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Wow, this thread took a massive sidestep bigger than anything Shaun Johnson has put on.
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Ricky is great at recruitment but we cant win a premiership under him.
Under him sezer and Austin went backwards. Williams has not kicked on.
Johnson would be a good pickup but his inclusion is not the difference between 2017/18 and a premiership with Stuart as coach.
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TongueFTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 10:51 am Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
If anything... I’m here to argue that apart from the individual skill errors that often get blamed for our losses in the 2016 finals - the coach actually had us play a game plan in the Cronulla and Melbourne games that was the polar opposite of the attacking football that got us there!

We went into our shells and tried to make it an arm wrestle in both those games, which played right into the hands of both opponents. We went from a side averaging 30+ points per game in that second half of the season to a team that ground out 16&12points respectively.

Our players were certainly playing like they weren’t getting much coaching input that season... and it worked... as soon as old oracle Stick set a game plan in the finals we shat the bed! Sorry JezTez - the man is a hoax. We are the only club ignorant enough to be stuck with him at this stage of his underwhelming coaching career, and we will look back on this era shaking our heads when we are digging ourselves out of a Des Hasler-esque **** for the next decade.
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mamando wrote: November 20, 2018, 5:41 pm
TongueFTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 10:51 am Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
If anything... I’m here to argue that apart from the individual skill errors that often get blamed for our losses in the 2016 finals - the coach actually had us play a game plan in the Cronulla and Melbourne games that was the polar opposite of the attacking football that got us there!

We went into our shells and tried to make it an arm wrestle in both those games, which played right into the hands of both opponents. We went from a side averaging 30+ points per game in that second half of the season to a team that ground out 16&12points respectively.

Our players were certainly playing like they weren’t getting much coaching input that season... and it worked... as soon as old oracle Stick set a game plan in the finals we shat the bed! Sorry JezTez - the man is a hoax. We are the only club ignorant enough to be stuck with him at this stage of his underwhelming coaching career, and we will look back on this era shaking our heads when we are digging ourselves out of a Des Hasler-esque **** for the next decade.

what a crock of ****, yes we have under performed in area's on the field but to say we will need to dig ourselves out of a hasler-esque situation is just a cop out.

didn't see hasler have the dogs breaking records for memberships, getting the old legends back involved with the club, getting his players super involved with the community and do you seriously think this is a bad team? surely this is the best team we have had on paper for a very long time, got us to an edrick lee catch away from a GF so it has potentail. The too many big bopper forwards problem is solved and the austin defense issue is also gone, we are a good half away and a few tweaks from being a force in my eye's.

i just can't see why some think it's so doom and gloom.
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All the things you just mentioned are warm and fluffy, but how many of them get us wins??

All the coach has shown us is ineptitude in the areas of coaching the football team, which is his actual job description.

You can “bleed green” and believe the sales pitch all you want, that’s your call. I just want us to win football matches, and ultimately premierships. You can’t tell me we are heading in that direction under Stuart... we are trending the other way.
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And to answer your other question, I think this side is terrible on paper.

We are incredibly weak up front and in some key spine positions. Our big recruit that everyone is hanging their hat on Is completely untested in the NRL. We have been built the opposite way to how every other club assembles their roster and prioritises their cap spending.

Are you betting the house that Don/Sticky are roster construction geniuses and the other 15 clubs are getting it wrong?
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nemesis wrote:
mamando wrote: November 20, 2018, 5:41 pm
TongueFTW wrote: November 20, 2018, 10:51 am Can we please stop using 2016 as evidence of Stuart's coaching? We have failed to reach the finals 4/5 seasons, during which we have been consistently plagued with the same issues he "knows how to fix". Success in 2016 was in spite of the coaching, not because of. We were not winning games due to being well drilled, consistent or well coached - we were winning off the back of individual contributions and talent.
If anything... I’m here to argue that apart from the individual skill errors that often get blamed for our losses in the 2016 finals - the coach actually had us play a game plan in the Cronulla and Melbourne games that was the polar opposite of the attacking football that got us there!

We went into our shells and tried to make it an arm wrestle in both those games, which played right into the hands of both opponents. We went from a side averaging 30+ points per game in that second half of the season to a team that ground out 16&12points respectively.

Our players were certainly playing like they weren’t getting much coaching input that season... and it worked... as soon as old oracle Stick set a game plan in the finals we shat the bed! Sorry JezTez - the man is a hoax. We are the only club ignorant enough to be stuck with him at this stage of his underwhelming coaching career, and we will look back on this era shaking our heads when we are digging ourselves out of a Des Hasler-esque **** for the next decade.

what a crock of ****, yes we have under performed in area's on the field but to say we will need to dig ourselves out of a hasler-esque situation is just a cop out.

didn't see hasler have the dogs breaking records for memberships, getting the old legends back involved with the club, getting his players super involved with the community and do you seriously think this is a bad team? surely this is the best team we have had on paper for a very long time, got us to an edrick lee catch away from a GF so it has potentail. The too many big bopper forwards problem is solved and the austin defense issue is also gone, we are a good half away and a few tweaks from being a force in my eye's.

i just can't see why some think it's so doom and gloom.
Doom and gloom you say? We've made the 8 - which in a 16 team comp is a pass mark - 1 out of 5 years. Do you think that is ok?

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julian87 wrote: November 20, 2018, 9:32 am
Riaan wrote: November 18, 2018, 3:29 pm
dubby wrote: November 18, 2018, 2:43 pm I was referring to consistency. Or lack thereof.

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Yep, this guy is the next Hayne or Foran. I won't be disappointed in the slightest if we don't sign him.
This is a a million dollar player who's club rarely if ever even makes the eight.
Gee I don’t agree with this at all.

Foran was always over rated. He was a good player but always genuinely second fiddle, a touch limited and carrying severe soft tissue injury concerns. Hayne was an absolute Beast and I was wrong about his career post NFL stint. All reports suggest it was attitude/training concerns though.

Johnson is a superstar. A superstar five-eighth who has been forced into the 7 at NZ in oft ordinary teams so putting their failures on him is harsh. It’s no coincidence that they went well when Maloney was there who is a bit of a Marshall and at the very least plays very straight.

Look Johnson to us is no chance but if he slotted in with Hodgson organizing and Sezer playing an anchor type role I really couldn’t see it going balls up barring injury.
He's being punted by his own club! How is this not bringing up red flags for people??? Shaun Johnson from 5 years ago yes but today even his own club don't think he's worth the price tag.
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Oh how I will laugh so damn hard and bring up these posts when Ricky throws it in your face and takes us to a premiership in the next couple of years, which he will.
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He already shoved it in the fans faces last season. Might be contributing to lower membership this year.

If another rainbow hit us in the **** and Raiders won a premiership in the next couple of years it will be in spite of Ricky’s coaching tactics, not because of them. Basing it on what we’ve seen for the last 5 years.
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JezTez1984 wrote:Oh how I will laugh so damn hard and bring up these posts when Ricky throws it in your face and takes us to a premiership in the next couple of years, which he will.
What about when he gets sacked by his 3rd club?
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JezTez1984 wrote: November 20, 2018, 9:52 pm Oh how I will laugh so damn hard and bring up these posts when Ricky throws it in your face and takes us to a premiership in the next couple of years, which he will.
He doesn't throw it, he shoves it in our faces.
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