Raiders express interest in Shaun Johnson, he signs with Sharks

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Would you like to see Shaun Johnson join the Raiders?

Yes, of course
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Yes, but we're no chance
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No, he's not what we need
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I hope we do 'due diligence' on his fitness. He is tough and plays with injury but he is not getting any younger. 8 seasons with the Warriors for a 46% win percentage which was bumped up in 2018. I say again, we can score tries. We were second top try scoring side in the NRL in 2018. It is our defence which is our huge weakness. 10th in defence and 10th on the ladder. It is not some freakish co-incidence. Again I will say, over the past decade the sides which have won the comp are Top 5 (Mostly Top 4) defensive sides. The successful sides know it and focus on it.

We however go with flashy plays for the highlights reel when it is the grunt defence work which brings the biggest rewards. The fact that Sticky said it was our focus last pre-season and we finished with the 10th worst means he is all talk. We need to be defensively strong and Sticky pays it lip service. His selections of unfit, immobile center third players was demonstration enough that his thinking has not moved with the game. He came as a Coaching saviour and turned into a hand brake.
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Johnson in our backline with our edge forwards would be amazing!!!


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Brew wrote:Guys it’s the same old story, article comes out. Bigger club comes in and signs the player.
We are not getting him. You can have Rapana, Tapine and McFadden but that won’t mean a thing when it all comes to money.
I’m not a party pooper, I’m just over it.
I would honestly like us to do something stupid like make him the highest paid player in the game just so we buck the trend but it won’t happen.



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Manchild wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:37 pm Big question. Would you lose Rapana for SJ
Id rather lose wighton and put rapana at the back..
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How good would it be if we got him without losing any of our top 17 ?!?!

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gergreg wrote:
Brew wrote:Guys it’s the same old story, article comes out. Bigger club comes in and signs the player.
We are not getting him. You can have Rapana, Tapine and McFadden but that won’t mean a thing when it all comes to money.
I’m not a party pooper, I’m just over it.
I would honestly like us to do something stupid like make him the highest paid player in the game just so we buck the trend but it won’t happen.



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greeneyed wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:50 pm Bay53... What is your position on this one again?! I'm struggling to get it!
My position is I would love it to happen. However I think it probably won’t happen.
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RedRaider wrote: October 31, 2018, 8:05 pm I hope we do 'due diligence' on his fitness. He is tough and plays with injury but he is not getting any younger. 8 seasons with the Warriors for a 46% win percentage which was bumped up in 2018. I say again, we can score tries. We were second top try scoring side in the NRL in 2018. It is our defence which is our huge weakness. 10th in defence and 10th on the ladder. It is not some freakish co-incidence. Again I will say, over the past decade the sides which have won the comp are Top 5 (Mostly Top 4) defensive sides. The successful sides know it and focus on it.

We however go with flashy plays for the highlights reel when it is the grunt defence work which brings the biggest rewards. The fact that Sticky said it was our focus last pre-season and we finished with the 10th worst means he is all talk. We need to be defensively strong and Sticky pays it lip service. His selections of unfit, immobile center third players was demonstration enough that his thinking has not moved with the game. He came as a Coaching saviour and turned into a hand brake.
Nah. Sign Shaun Johnson, score 50 points every week and hope the opposition don’t score 51!
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I'd love to see it happen... but I don't believe the club has the capability or ruthlessness to pull off the deal to be honest. If they do... hats off. Nor do I believe Shaun Johnson would see Canberra as a desirable location, given what he's said about the city in the past. Who knows what his partner would think... given she is a top net baller... and I don't believe we have a team.
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If we lie to him about the conversion rate between AU and NZ $$ we are a chance
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There is more chance of me landing a gig as a GH Admin than there is of us landing Shaun Johnson.

Fair dinkum. As if any self respecting player with in depth knowledge of the NRL would come to the club coached by Ricky Stuart.



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:lol: :lol: :lol: Gotta laugh at that one!
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He is exactly the player we should be chasing hard. Whether we land him or not is kinda irrelevant in my opinion. I'm just pleased the club recognises what we need and is taking steps to address this. Comments that he isn't what we need are absurd. The raiders finished 1st in the comp if games finished after 60 mins. We need an elite half who can kick field goals and close out games. I appreciate that he won't turn the dial in defence but I guess that is where having more mobile forwards and less Blake Austins comes in.
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Another decent half for Ricky to dumb down
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How many pages do we reckon this will go before our tyres are deflated ?

Anyway I'm ringing Shaun...
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Captain Punish wrote:There is more chance of me landing a gig as a GH Admin than there is of us landing Shaun Johnson.

Fair dinkum. As if any self respecting player with in depth knowledge of the NRL would come to the club coached by Ricky Stuart.



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I for one look forward to seeing him sign with the roosters. Who will then have to release their water boys to get themselves back under the salary cap

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Bay53 wrote:
greeneyed wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:50 pm Bay53... What is your position on this one again?! I'm struggling to get it!
My position is I would love it to happen. However I think it probably won’t happen.
Me too.

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Brew wrote:
Captain Punish wrote:There is more chance of me landing a gig as a GH Admin than there is of us landing Shaun Johnson.

Fair dinkum. As if any self respecting player with in depth knowledge of the NRL would come to the club coached by Ricky Stuart.



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Our recruiting has been the best it has in years compared to the years where Howell, Drew etc were our major signings


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RedRaider wrote: October 31, 2018, 8:05 pm I hope we do 'due diligence' on his fitness. He is tough and plays with injury but he is not getting any younger. 8 seasons with the Warriors for a 46% win percentage which was bumped up in 2018. I say again, we can score tries. We were second top try scoring side in the NRL in 2018. It is our defence which is our huge weakness. 10th in defence and 10th on the ladder. It is not some freakish co-incidence. Again I will say, over the past decade the sides which have won the comp are Top 5 (Mostly Top 4) defensive sides. The successful sides know it and focus on it.

We however go with flashy plays for the highlights reel when it is the grunt defence work which brings the biggest rewards. The fact that Sticky said it was our focus last pre-season and we finished with the 10th worst means he is all talk. We need to be defensively strong and Sticky pays it lip service. His selections of unfit, immobile center third players was demonstration enough that his thinking has not moved with the game. He came as a Coaching saviour and turned into a hand brake.
I agree. I think we need to replace Austin with another half. Hingano's injury makes the recruitment of a half even more important. However in addressing our biggest issue we need a an average attacking prop who comes with above average defence and we need a half who opposition offences won't see as a weakness.

I think Wighton to 5/8th with a quality outside back to replace him and throwing the bank at Klemmer would be a much, much better use of whatever money we have in that it would address our two biggest issues from last season (poor defensive middles and Austin)
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Manchild wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:37 pm Big question. Would you lose Rapana for SJ
Nope. Rapana has the consistency that Johnson lacks, obv very different positions but you can base a Premiership season around guys that turn up and contribute positively week and week out.

Sure wish we hadn't re-signed Sezer though.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: November 1, 2018, 7:01 am
RedRaider wrote: October 31, 2018, 8:05 pm I hope we do 'due diligence' on his fitness. He is tough and plays with injury but he is not getting any younger. 8 seasons with the Warriors for a 46% win percentage which was bumped up in 2018. I say again, we can score tries. We were second top try scoring side in the NRL in 2018. It is our defence which is our huge weakness. 10th in defence and 10th on the ladder. It is not some freakish co-incidence. Again I will say, over the past decade the sides which have won the comp are Top 5 (Mostly Top 4) defensive sides. The successful sides know it and focus on it.

We however go with flashy plays for the highlights reel when it is the grunt defence work which brings the biggest rewards. The fact that Sticky said it was our focus last pre-season and we finished with the 10th worst means he is all talk. We need to be defensively strong and Sticky pays it lip service. His selections of unfit, immobile center third players was demonstration enough that his thinking has not moved with the game. He came as a Coaching saviour and turned into a hand brake.
I agree. I think we need to replace Austin with another half. Hingano's injury makes the recruitment of a half even more important. However in addressing our biggest issue we need a an average attacking prop who comes with above average defence and we need a half who opposition offences won't see as a weakness.

I think Wighton to 5/8th with a quality outside back to replace him and throwing the bank at Klemmer would be a much, much better use of whatever money we have in that it would address our two biggest issues from last season (poor defensive middles and Austin)
Knights already threw the bank and Klem, and he has jumped on that horse to chase a damsel in distress
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 1, 2018, 7:46 am
Manchild wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:37 pm Big question. Would you lose Rapana for SJ
Nope. Rapana has the consistency that Johnson lacks, obv very different positions but you can base a Premiership season around guys that turn up and contribute positively week and week out.
Wait? Really?
We've got the best winger in the world and arguably another top 5-6 in Cotric and have for the past 2 years... where has that netted us exactly?
Missing the play-offs both years. The very fact that arguably our best two players in the last 24 months have been our wingers is exactly the reason we're not any good. Wingers simply cant impact the game on anywhere NEAR the level the spine does.

There isn't a winger in the history of RL that i wouldn't trade in today's game for a legitimate half if that's what the team was missing.
No offence, Rog, but anyone who values an elite winger over a half of SJ's ability has lost their damn mind.

That all being said, SJ isn't coming to Canberra, he'll have a market in sydney at a club like the Eels or Canterbury, and if he did, i have ZERO doubt under Coach **** he would regress to being a pretty average footballer. So it's all moot.
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Pigman wrote: November 1, 2018, 7:55 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 1, 2018, 7:46 am
Manchild wrote: October 31, 2018, 7:37 pm Big question. Would you lose Rapana for SJ
Nope. Rapana has the consistency that Johnson lacks, obv very different positions but you can base a Premiership season around guys that turn up and contribute positively week and week out.
Wait? Really?
We've got the best winger in the world and arguably another top 5-6 in Cotric and have for the past 2 years... where has that netted us exactly?
Missing the play-offs both years. The very fact that arguably our best two players in the last 24 months have been our wingers is exactly the reason we're not any good. Wingers simply cant impact the game on anywhere NEAR the level the spine does.

There isn't a winger in the history of RL that i wouldn't trade in today's game for a legitimate half if that's what the team was missing.
No offence, Rog, but anyone who values an elite winger over a half of SJ's ability has lost their damn mind.

That all being said, SJ isn't coming to Canberra, he'll have a market in sydney at a club like the Eels or Canterbury, and if he did, i have ZERO doubt under Coach **** he would regress to being a pretty average footballer. So it's all moot.
Johnson is in and out of games like our current halves, the difference being his best is far beyond theirs. A Johnson/Wighton combo just doesn't excite me that much unless Hodgson is going to be doing a bunch of kicking. Johnson has got a team to the finals twice in his eight seasons - hardly a top level half given he has been surrounded by quite talented rosters.

Agree no chance he ends up here.
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Would be a dream signing but even I’m not high enough to believe it could ever happen.
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I have a feeling we have a little more cap wriggle-room than people believe. Better than where we were this time last year. Of the players leaving, Paulo and Boyd were not on small coin and we'd tabled a $700K per annum offer for Austin. We've upgraded a few players like Tapine and Cotric and signed Bateman and Sutton fro Wigan. Yes, I know a lot of players from the 2016 team were on back-ended contracts but if you say that Bateman took close to Austin's money, then Sutton is probably more likely to be on something closer to Gubb/Lui money than Paulo/Boyd money.

We also have a little bit of extra $ to play with (not a huge amount, but at least $50-75K) because of Hingano's injury in Australia-Tonga Test and the new rep injury salary relief and given Johnson is in a "like for like" position we can use that too.
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There’s no salary cap relief for Hingano under the rule.
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https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/22/nrl ... rep-stars/

Key points of the proposal include:

Clubs to receive a salary cap exemption for the pro-rata value of the injured player’s contract, up to a maximum of $350,000;
There is no limit on the number of players from each club entitled to salary cap relief if they suffer a long term injury in a representative match;
If the club has a place left in their Top 30 squad, the injured player must be ruled out for a minimum of 12 matches and cannot make an early return, and;
If the club does not have a roster spot left, they can sign a 31st player but the injured player must be ruled out for the season.
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But Hingano won’t miss 12 matches.
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Canberra Raiders pour cold water on reported link to Shaun Johnson

NRL.com understands Canberra are not in a position salary cap-wise to consider a player with the price tag that the talented halfback carries.

Raiders officials say they've been told that not only do the Warriors want him to stay but Johnson doesn't want to leave when his contract expires at the end of next season.

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/11/01/can ... ne-return/
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Our inability to compete on the player market is almost the biggest issue we face, second only to the clubs unaccountable ownership structure. Getting a deal like this done would be huge and is more important than any risks as far as on field results.
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Sid wrote: November 1, 2018, 10:00 amawww
Either Dean Ritchie or Margie Mc Donald are right... can’t be both.
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greeneyed wrote: November 1, 2018, 9:53 am But Hingano won’t miss 12 matches.
Good point... although the chances of the 6 matches becoming 12 would be high...
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