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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Northern Raider » August 27, 2018, 2:02 pm

Basically we’re the best side to come from Canberra, Newcastle or Townsville.
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Post by Dusty » August 27, 2018, 8:02 pm

The Raiders are shifting a home game to Wagga Wagga in 2019 and 2020


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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker (c) 4 Leilua 5. Oldfield (Rapana) 6. Williams 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson (c) 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
14. Havili 15. Soliola 16. Guler 17. Lui

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by -TW- » August 27, 2018, 8:06 pm

Queue GE blow up

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 27, 2018, 9:08 pm

-TW- wrote:
August 27, 2018, 8:06 pm
Queue GE blow up
Too right, particularly as there is no information for members about what it means for their memberships.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by PigRickman » August 27, 2018, 9:14 pm

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Queue GE blow up
Too right, particularly as there is no information for members about what it means for their memberships.
Let me help you out.
We're a trash bag unit, performing very poorly. No changes will be made to give you any hope of improved performance in 2019, and they'll increase the cost of membership ever so slightly despite you having 1 less game to attend

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by -PJ- » August 28, 2018, 7:02 am

Dusty wrote:
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The Raiders are shifting a home game to Wagga Wagga in 2019 and 2020


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Post by Dusty » August 28, 2018, 7:51 am

-PJ- wrote:
Dusty wrote:
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The Raiders are shifting a home game to Wagga Wagga in 2019 and 2020


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How are we going to prepare for that ?
Instead of 1 trial game I think we’ll play half a trial game in Wagga to prepare for the ‘home’ game.


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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker (c) 4 Leilua 5. Oldfield (Rapana) 6. Williams 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson (c) 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Timbo » August 28, 2018, 10:44 am

I am a bit curious - on the ABC on Sunday Don saying there were still a few slots on the 2019 roster open, and that players were coming across his desk every day, is it possible we've managed to keep a little bit of our powder dry for a late season signing?

I mean, clubs are starting to shop players late in the year and I honestly think if we can get a semi-serviceable half who can also defend we are in a better spot for next year than we were at the beginning of the season.

I really hope it's not just promotions from Mounties and scraps from the NSW and QLD Cups.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 28, 2018, 11:00 am

I suspect that’s all that’s all that’s possible given what’s left in the cap.
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Post by LastRaider » August 28, 2018, 10:10 pm

greeneyed wrote:I suspect that’s all that’s all that’s possible given what’s left in the cap.
I agree, the only way to get a good signing is still to trade current players. If TPJ like player or a good half comes available every player on our roster should be reviewed and traded where necessary. However we don’t have this attitude, we are about the family and is why we are a bottom 8 club.


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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by RedRaider » August 30, 2018, 5:19 am

Timbo wrote:
August 28, 2018, 10:44 am
I am a bit curious - on the ABC on Sunday Don saying there were still a few slots on the 2019 roster open, and that players were coming across his desk every day, is it possible we've managed to keep a little bit of our powder dry for a late season signing?

I mean, clubs are starting to shop players late in the year and I honestly think if we can get a semi-serviceable half who can also defend we are in a better spot for next year than we were at the beginning of the season.

I really hope it's not just promotions from Mounties and scraps from the NSW and QLD Cups.
Penrith half Luai plays NSW Cup and I'd take him in a heart beat. He has a year to run on his contract with the Panthers but given what they did to their coach contracts don't mean much there.

We have lost Garvey, Boyd, Paulo and Austin. We have picked up the two Englishmen. I would like to see Seb Kris with a Raiders contract. That leaves one spot. For me we are a halves player short. I don't think Hingano is the answer. Go after Luai DFJ. Has more opportunity at the NRL in green.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 30, 2018, 6:36 am

We’ve also lost Gubb.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Seiffert82 » August 30, 2018, 7:35 am

Timbo wrote:
August 28, 2018, 10:44 am
I am a bit curious - on the ABC on Sunday Don saying there were still a few slots on the 2019 roster open, and that players were coming across his desk every day, is it possible we've managed to keep a little bit of our powder dry for a late season signing?

I mean, clubs are starting to shop players late in the year and I honestly think if we can get a semi-serviceable half who can also defend we are in a better spot for next year than we were at the beginning of the season.

I really hope it's not just promotions from Mounties and scraps from the NSW and QLD Cups.
We've clearly still got a bit of room in the cap. Even the vague whiff of smoke around TPJ supports that.

The club isn't going to publicly advertise some sort of warchest to get player managers too excited. The last thing we need is players thinking there is a stack of cash available to further bump up their contracts.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Timbo » August 30, 2018, 10:58 am

Hmmm, true.

The TPJ stuff concerns me to be honest. If it's legitimate, I genuinely worry this is the club wanting to bring someone 'home' rather than look at what we need as a team. Sure, we've lost Paulo and Boyd, but the rotation of Papalli, Guler, Lui, Knight and Soliola is still good in the age of reduced interchange.

If we've got room for one more, I desperately want it to be a serviceable half to partner Sezer, or a competent fullback who can get up into the line so we can move Wighton into a running/defensive 5/8 role.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by edwahu » August 30, 2018, 11:37 am

Timbo wrote:
August 30, 2018, 10:58 am
Hmmm, true.

The TPJ stuff concerns me to be honest. If it's legitimate, I genuinely worry this is the club wanting to bring someone 'home' rather than look at what we need as a team. Sure, we've lost Paulo and Boyd, but the rotation of Papalli, Guler, Lui, Knight and Soliola is still good in the age of reduced interchange.

If we've got room for one more, I desperately want it to be a serviceable half to partner Sezer, or a competent fullback who can get up into the line so we can move Wighton into a running/defensive 5/8 role.
There is no reduced interchange next year. In the current comp that rotation is really not great, probably in the bottom two or three in the comp.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by RedRaider » August 30, 2018, 12:09 pm

greeneyed wrote:
August 30, 2018, 6:36 am
We’ve also lost Gubb.
How could I have forgotten Gubby, GE? :D His on field performances were so memorable. But you are correct, it is another spot we have to fill.

I was interested listening to Barry Russell talking about the Sharks 2018 salary cap. He says that under his management they are $500K under the cap for this year. It sounds to me like he is paying fair value and not seeing if he can max out the cap as seems to be the process the Raiders undertake. DFJ even made a comment earlier this year to the effect "I can assure Raiders fans that we are spending the full cap". It is all about getting value for the spend not that the full cap is being spent. It almost sounded like players were being paid a percentage of the cap based on some past performance. That is a recipe for disaster and will mean players have to be shed once some positions are upgraded. Surely we don't do that Don .. ?? er Don ??

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Timbo » August 30, 2018, 1:56 pm

edwahu wrote:
August 30, 2018, 11:37 am
Timbo wrote:
August 30, 2018, 10:58 am
Hmmm, true.

The TPJ stuff concerns me to be honest. If it's legitimate, I genuinely worry this is the club wanting to bring someone 'home' rather than look at what we need as a team. Sure, we've lost Paulo and Boyd, but the rotation of Papalli, Guler, Lui, Knight and Soliola is still good in the age of reduced interchange.

If we've got room for one more, I desperately want it to be a serviceable half to partner Sezer, or a competent fullback who can get up into the line so we can move Wighton into a running/defensive 5/8 role.
There is no reduced interchange next year. In the current comp that rotation is really not great, probably in the bottom two or three in the comp.
I still disagree even with the current interchange numbers. Papalli will be our main prop which he's effectively been doing even with the #13 on his back, and he has another veteran in Soliola alongside him. Knight and Guler - especially Guler - are genuinely exciting prospects, and Lui is an honest toiler. Throw in Hunt as the emergency backup and it's not the worst
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Green eyed Mick » August 30, 2018, 2:04 pm

edwahu wrote:
August 30, 2018, 11:37 am
Timbo wrote:
August 30, 2018, 10:58 am
Hmmm, true.

The TPJ stuff concerns me to be honest. If it's legitimate, I genuinely worry this is the club wanting to bring someone 'home' rather than look at what we need as a team. Sure, we've lost Paulo and Boyd, but the rotation of Papalli, Guler, Lui, Knight and Soliola is still good in the age of reduced interchange.

If we've got room for one more, I desperately want it to be a serviceable half to partner Sezer, or a competent fullback who can get up into the line so we can move Wighton into a running/defensive 5/8 role.
There is no reduced interchange next year. In the current comp that rotation is really not great, probably in the bottom two or three in the comp.
I agree. We need another big body with a good motor and solid defence to be competitive against the other top 8 packs.

We won't be able to afford to buy him away from anyone but if he is genuinely motivated to be closer to family in Canberra, it would be a good signing.

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Post by Seiffert82 » August 30, 2018, 4:53 pm

Yeah, I'm very much doubting TPJ is an option, but our squad certainly needs another decent front rower to have sufficient depth in that position.

Unlike most, I'm not that worried about our halves. We have the best attack in the comp with a 5/8 who has played like a busted for the best part of two seasons and a fullback who is arguably the most maligned players in that position in the NRL. These blokes are capable of doing a job.

We won't have the cash to splurge on a big name halfback to partner Sezer. Williams can do a serviceable job with the attacking options around him. We just need a forward pack that works hard in defence and takes the pressure off our outside backs to make early set yardage.

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Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I'm very much doubting TPJ is an option, but our squad certainly needs another decent front rower to have sufficient depth in that position.

Unlike most, I'm not that worried about our halves. We have the best attack in the comp with a 5/8 who has played like a busted for the best part of two seasons and a fullback who is arguably the most maligned players in that position in the NRL. These blokes are capable of doing a job.

We won't have the cash to splurge on a big name halfback to partner Sezer. Williams can do a serviceable job with the attacking options around him. We just need a forward pack that works hard in defence and takes the pressure off our outside backs to make early set yardage.
I agree with all of this. Except I’m still holding out hope for TPJ....


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Post by bonehead » August 30, 2018, 5:28 pm

Dusty wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I'm very much doubting TPJ is an option, but our squad certainly needs another decent front rower to have sufficient depth in that position.

Unlike most, I'm not that worried about our halves. We have the best attack in the comp with a 5/8 who has played like a busted for the best part of two seasons and a fullback who is arguably the most maligned players in that position in the NRL. These blokes are capable of doing a job.

We won't have the cash to splurge on a big name halfback to partner Sezer. Williams can do a serviceable job with the attacking options around him. We just need a forward pack that works hard in defence and takes the pressure off our outside backs to make early set yardage.
I agree with all of this. Except I’m still holding out hope for TPJ....


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bonehead wrote:
August 30, 2018, 5:28 pm
Dusty wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I'm very much doubting TPJ is an option, but our squad certainly needs another decent front rower to have sufficient depth in that position.

Unlike most, I'm not that worried about our halves. We have the best attack in the comp with a 5/8 who has played like a busted for the best part of two seasons and a fullback who is arguably the most maligned players in that position in the NRL. These blokes are capable of doing a job.

We won't have the cash to splurge on a big name halfback to partner Sezer. Williams can do a serviceable job with the attacking options around him. We just need a forward pack that works hard in defence and takes the pressure off our outside backs to make early set yardage.
I agree with all of this. Except I’m still holding out hope for TPJ....


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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by kiwi raider » August 30, 2018, 7:18 pm

Even if there’s no money in the cap, you surely make space for a guy like TPJ, surely?

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Post by greeneyed » August 30, 2018, 7:20 pm

You'd think so. Or find a genuine TPA.
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Post by exrefhollywood » August 30, 2018, 8:04 pm

what about halves that can manage a game......this why we are not playing finals :rant

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Post by LastRaider » August 30, 2018, 8:22 pm

exrefhollywood wrote:what about halves that can manage a game......this why we are not playing finals :rant
We are a good front rower and half short. TPJ would fill one part of this. Just a good half to go after that


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Post by Timbo » August 30, 2018, 8:51 pm

If we could find a good fullback, allowing us to move Wighton to 5/8 (in a running/defending capacity, with the understanding that Hodgson and Sezer do
95% or the kicking) then that might be something I’d be interested in.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by -PJ- » August 31, 2018, 7:19 am

greeneyed wrote:
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You'd think so. Or find a genuine TPA.
A genuine TPA for a genuine TPJ...
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Post by Northern Raider » August 31, 2018, 9:35 am

exrefhollywood wrote:
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what about halves that can manage a game......this why we are not playing finals :rant
I agree we need a game managing half. I disagree it’s the reason we’re not playing finals. Defense is the main reason we play our last game tonight.
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Post by Crusader » August 31, 2018, 10:39 am

1. Brad Abbey
2. Nick Cotric
3. Michael Oldfield
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Blake Austin
7. Sam Williams
8. Dunamis Lui
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Shannon Boyd
11. Sia Soliola
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Josh Papalii

14. Emre Guler
15. Junior Paulo
16. Siliva Havili
17. Luke Bateman

18. Jack Murchie
19. Liam Knight

This is the last lineup named for 2018, what are the Obvious changes and the opinions?

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Post by Sid » August 31, 2018, 11:01 am

obvious changes to the 17
OUTS - Austin, Boyd, Paulo
INS - Tapine, Wighton, Sezer, English Bateman, Croker
(I'm not 100% convinced Sutton walks into the 17 straight up)

I think full strength it'll look a bit like this

1. Jack Wighton
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Aidan Sezer
7. Sam Williams
8. Dunamis Lui
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Josh Papalii
11. Joseph Tapine
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. John Bateman

14. Emre Guler
15. Sia Soliola
16. Siliva Havili
17. Luke Bateman

18. Ryan Sutton
19. Liam Knight
20. Ata Hingano
21.Jack Murchie
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by -PJ- » August 31, 2018, 11:04 am

Crusader wrote:
August 31, 2018, 10:39 am
1. Brad Abbey
2. Nick Cotric
3. Michael Oldfield
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Blake Austin
7. Sam Williams
8. Dunamis Lui
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Shannon Boyd
11. Sia Soliola
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Josh Papalii

14. Emre Guler
15. Junior Paulo
16. Siliva Havili
17. Luke Bateman

18. Jack Murchie
19. Liam Knight

This is the last lineup named for 2018, what are the Obvious changes and the opinions?
OUT - Boyd, Paulo, Austin
IN - JBateman, Sutton.

With Croker, Wighton Tapine and Hingano to return as well..
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Sid » August 31, 2018, 11:09 am

Sid wrote:
August 31, 2018, 11:01 am
obvious changes to the 17
OUTS - Austin, Boyd, Paulo
INS - Tapine, Wighton, Sezer, English Bateman, Croker
(I'm not 100% convinced Sutton walks into the 17 straight up)

I think full strength it'll look a bit like this

1. Jack Wighton
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Aidan Sezer
7. Sam Williams
8. Dunamis Lui
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Josh Papalii
11. Joseph Tapine
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. John Bateman

14. Emre Guler
15. Sia Soliola
16. Siliva Havili
17. Luke Bateman

18. Ryan Sutton
19. Liam Knight
20. Ata Hingano
21.Jack Murchie
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I think the side looks better with Williams opposed to Abbey, though I think both are good first drop reserves, not starting first graders.
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Post by Timbo » August 31, 2018, 11:15 am

Sid wrote:
August 31, 2018, 11:01 am
obvious changes to the 17
OUTS - Austin, Boyd, Paulo
INS - Tapine, Wighton, Sezer, English Bateman, Croker
(I'm not 100% convinced Sutton walks into the 17 straight up)

I think full strength it'll look a bit like this

1. Jack Wighton
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Aidan Sezer
7. Sam Williams
8. Dunamis Lui
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Josh Papalii
11. Joseph Tapine
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. John Bateman

14. Emre Guler
15. Sia Soliola
16. Siliva Havili
17. Luke Bateman

18. Ryan Sutton
19. Liam Knight
20. Ata Hingano
21.Jack Murchie
I don't think there is even the faintest chance of Ryan Sutton coming here to not be in the top 17. I don't think this is another Jordan Turner who was looking for a chance to prove himself in the NRL. This is a 23 year old we chased who's played over 100 first grade games and is an automatic pick for one of the Super League's biggest clubs.
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