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I'm numb from the eyeballs down..

Should us fans do a quick whip around to raise funds to buy a halfback ?

I can't believe there's no $$$ to replace Break...
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Look, lets call a spade a **** spade here.

There is one man who can solve this issue and we all know who it is. And so long as that **** COWARD TR refuses to step up to the **** plate, buy the club with the console change in his car and gives us the fresh start we so deserve, then the club will go no where.

Im sick and tired of tip toeing around the issue. Sort it out, TR. Sort it RIGHT THE **** OUT
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speaking of billionaires, where's cueball

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Given he's spending $100 million on the new house... I can't see how he can afford to buy the Raiders until 2019.
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GE I agree with the mental thing but....the important thing is, is it is fixable. Lack of ability though well that's not something that even a truckload of heart can make up for.
Re: the English signings. Pretty sure many thought the same when Whitehead and Hodgson signed on...and look at them now!
Paulo has given us nothing this year (injured for most of it) Boyd is about as consistent as Craig Frawley was and Austin's woeful defensive decisions literally cost us several games this year....and still somehow we are just off the pace.
Let's see how these poms go. Will they really be significant downgrades on what we have had this year? I'm not sure...
On another note, thank you for all you do here. Your commitment is without peer and if some of our players had the commitment to the cause you have had over many years, we would undoubtedly be a much more successful club.
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Thanks Old School Green!
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Old School Green wrote: July 27, 2018, 7:58 pm Hope you're feeling a little better after a bex and a good lie down GE! :D
As a long suffering Raiders fan I'm used to disappointment. In reality though, this squad isn't too far off. That stat about being in front after 60 mins etc; the amount of games we have lost by under four points over several seasons etc etc
Is it really a player ability / talent issue or is it some type of psychological issue that sees the good old 'faders' do their usual trick and lose. Even if we could say win 50% of those games, we are right in the mix.
We can always wish for new signings; a new coach; new ceo etc....but realistically if we win even half of those close games, if we can sort the mental stuff, we are somewhere in the mix.
I'm sick of feeling crap after rubbish implosions but whilst knowing we have the ability yet fall over like we do is frustrating...I think it's better than being absolutely off the pace and with cattle that just isn't good enough to compete.
We are good enough, we just are mentally weak. Surely that's fixable in the end...whereas crapness is crapness.
Glass half full GE :)
The upside is we are losing arguably our 3 most inconsistent players. The downside is we tried to keep them all and have only replaced one of them.
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We desperately need a half, and we're not getting one, clearly. I'd love to think someone like Brendan O'Hagan could step up, but I don't think that's happening. He's too young. If the plan is Hingano in the halves... we're in for a whole world of pain. He is a NSW Premiership level player.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: July 27, 2018, 8:43 pm
Old School Green wrote: July 27, 2018, 7:58 pm Hope you're feeling a little better after a bex and a good lie down GE! :D
As a long suffering Raiders fan I'm used to disappointment. In reality though, this squad isn't too far off. That stat about being in front after 60 mins etc; the amount of games we have lost by under four points over several seasons etc etc
Is it really a player ability / talent issue or is it some type of psychological issue that sees the good old 'faders' do their usual trick and lose. Even if we could say win 50% of those games, we are right in the mix.
We can always wish for new signings; a new coach; new ceo etc....but realistically if we win even half of those close games, if we can sort the mental stuff, we are somewhere in the mix.
I'm sick of feeling crap after rubbish implosions but whilst knowing we have the ability yet fall over like we do is frustrating...I think it's better than being absolutely off the pace and with cattle that just isn't good enough to compete.
We are good enough, we just are mentally weak. Surely that's fixable in the end...whereas crapness is crapness.
Glass half full GE :)
The upside is we are losing arguably our 3 most inconsistent players. The downside is we tried to keep them all and have only replaced one of them.
The upside to this is that we obviously offered them what they have shown they are worth not what they think they are worth!
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It was quite sad watching Lachlan Lewis for the Dogs tonight. He really isn't very good. But there are two things he can clearly do.

Think and tackle.
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CMooooon Get yourrself together man! As already said, clubs can wait 50 years for a premiership, that's just sport, look at the Cubs, 108 year drought! 2016 was a false dawn, you wouldn't blame anyone for thinking we'd arrived for a sustained period of success, but we were naive in thinking that and have got burnt, and its hurt, i feel your pain.

I feel very positive about the near future. Hodgo just keeps getting better, his absence this year highlighted his importance to such a degree it has galvanised his position as the leader of the team, no more hazy lines as to who runs the ship, he does.

Just as in 2015, it didn't take that much tweaking for a team losing so many close games to come out and start winning again. We've cut the fat, literally, and rid of a half that's been more of a hindrance than anything positive. I personally am very excited about these englishmen coming, they seem to lift over here, its a very good pathway to exploit and i doubt very much they will ever have a team in the NRL so were safe on that one unlike say, QLD.

Don't forget we went from the awful doldrum of 2013 to the exhilarating high of 2016 in 3 years!! Our slip back into mediocrity has just been growing pains, and we will bounce back stronger for it.

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We are staring down the barrel of having a park footy side next season.

This is just chaos.
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Yeah I’m pretty pissed with Don’s latest comments. I’m going to continue to support the team next year as I always did but their not getting my membership money out of disgust. Board needs to know their losing members with their poor management


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I had a solid sleep last night, up early as usual but feeling "fresh and wound up".
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Old School Green wrote: July 27, 2018, 8:51 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote: July 27, 2018, 8:43 pm
Old School Green wrote: July 27, 2018, 7:58 pm Hope you're feeling a little better after a bex and a good lie down GE! :D
As a long suffering Raiders fan I'm used to disappointment. In reality though, this squad isn't too far off. That stat about being in front after 60 mins etc; the amount of games we have lost by under four points over several seasons etc etc
Is it really a player ability / talent issue or is it some type of psychological issue that sees the good old 'faders' do their usual trick and lose. Even if we could say win 50% of those games, we are right in the mix.
We can always wish for new signings; a new coach; new ceo etc....but realistically if we win even half of those close games, if we can sort the mental stuff, we are somewhere in the mix.
I'm sick of feeling crap after rubbish implosions but whilst knowing we have the ability yet fall over like we do is frustrating...I think it's better than being absolutely off the pace and with cattle that just isn't good enough to compete.
We are good enough, we just are mentally weak. Surely that's fixable in the end...whereas crapness is crapness.
Glass half full GE :)
The upside is we are losing arguably our 3 most inconsistent players. The downside is we tried to keep them all and have only replaced one of them.
The upside to this is that we obviously offered them what they have shown they are worth not what they think they are worth!
This isn't true though. We offered Austin $700K. We got lucky that his narcissism and self-delusion had him believing he was worth more.

We also offered Paulo a massive deal but the Eels offered more and he always wanted to go back to Sydney anyway.

Maybe by chance we will come across replacements who are better and more consistent than the three we have offloaded but anyone who thinks it is good management rather than good fortune is an idiot.

Ricky genuinely has no idea what he is doing. The evidence of that is as conclusive as the evidence of Don's gross incompetence.
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Imagine how dire it would of been if Austin had taken up our 700k deal
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Yap wrote: July 28, 2018, 9:19 am Imagine how dire it would of been if Austin had taken up our 700k deal
We'd be ****ed. We're probably still ****ed unless we get really bloody lucky and Sutton and Batemen (assuming he signs) turn out to be every bit as good and consistent in their roles as Hodgo and Whitehead are in theirs.

As for who replaces Austin. Wighton and Williams are better halves of that there is little doubt at this point. And given Hingano's age, I am not willing to write him off quite yet.
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I stopped caring a while ago, while I used to hang on the injury reports, team line up and weekly news in the last couple years I just check NRL.com on Thursday and then see when the Raiders are playing. The sport seems to keep spiring down, what was a rule last week could be something new this week. Any new rule that seems to be introduced seems to add extra greyness, I just seem to get the impression that with all the greyness that the refs are able to rule out of bias.. lets take the forward pass rule as an example, they would let many flattish but forward passes slide but then they will pin a flattish backward pass that's lead to a try. If there's a knock on in the ruck, it could either be a knock on or a penalty and many times a case could be made either way but the difference between the call generally results in an attacking opportunity for the team it went towards.

With that being said even if the team you support play their heart out and deserve to win the ref in the middle could easily take it away without it looking like it's corrupt, it's a turn off and when it happens it leaves a real **** taste. Myself and many of my close friends who used to love this game have tuned out and for the most part it's not because our teams are underperforming but because sitting through a couple hours of TV time to then worry about the Refs deciding who gets the points is a turn off.
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I lost the care factor a while ago. I view it for what it is these days - entertainment. I get the **** if we are blatantly robbed like last week, if we aren't in the game at all, or if we lose to the Broncos. Apart from that, even the most heartbreaking chokes I don't get too upset - they're entertaining. It's hard to get too invested in such a poorly run club getting around in such a poorly run competition.
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Sometimes it needs to get a lot worse before it can get better. Often the worst thing can happen is to be thereabouts every couple of years cause there isn't much pressure to change. That's basically how we've operated for the past 20 years ie to slide into 7th or 8th place every couple of years and wonder what could of been had campo not gone down in the semi etc etc. We are now entering a sustained period of failure that we as a club have not endured since the early 80s. 1 finals serious out of 5 years is as bad as it gets (excluding teams with financial problems). There will be light at the end of the tunnel, make no mistake about that. But it will require change and leadership. I believe Dr Hawkins is capable of providing the leadership we require to be successful. I just hope the failures endured this year provides the impetus for him to do something about it.
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Who's Dr Hawkins?
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greeneyed wrote: July 28, 2018, 1:10 pm Who's Dr Hawkins?
It's FROGs doctor..he's currently seeing him for depression brought on by supporting the Raiders.
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Timbo wrote: July 28, 2018, 1:09 am We are staring down the barrel of having a park footy side next season.

This is just chaos.
Unless there is a monumental drop off in form from most of the side I don't think we will be a park footy side.

This year we are the No.1 attacking side in the comp. We have lost two props who for most of this season have either been injured or in indifferent form. We have lost a 5/8 who thinks he is worth more than $700k per season but more often than not performs like a 'minimum' payment squad filler. So bad even Sticky lost his Stick with him.

Next year we will have three English Internationals in the squad. I think Papa will regain his Australian jersey as well. Tapine is a Kiwi International. Five Internationals in our pack, plus the Tongan International hooker as a backup. We have Lepana and Cotric. We will retain 2 of the best goal kickers in the league and have a useful back up to them in Sam Williams. We will not be short of points imo.

Defensively though we need a lot of work. It is the main area of the game which keeps us out of the big end of season matches and prompts threads such as this.

I am a natural optimist though and say to my fellow Raiders fans: "It's no good crying in your beer, it only sends it flat". To look back over the past 20 years is depressing, so why look there? Look forward to better days ahead. It's what us glass half full blokes do. :)
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I have said it for years that we will never win another premiership. Ever. We are a joke of a club.

But in saying that, I want a team that gets out there and leaves everything on the park. I don't care for flashy, I want gutsy. I want passion. I want a team, a coach, a club that makes the tough decisions regardless of what ifs. If a players causes the club grief, sack him. If a player punches a member of the public, sack him. If a coach goes 5 season with only one finals appearance and onky one win from the 3 games played that post season, sack him. If a player Joey Leilua's or Bronson Harrison's or Josh Dugan's or whatever through half a season, giving zero **** in regards to team morale or culture, sack him.

I want players that play for the jersey every minute of every game. Not 70 minutes of every game for two seasons. Not 40 mins. Not 60. 80. I don't care if they win, I don't expect success. I just want a team or club to be proud of. No **** heads, no destroyers of clubs, no nappies changed, and no king hits thrown.

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I'm naive enough to think sending this thread to management might make a difference, but they're probably naive enough to think our feelings don't matter.

If anyone out there is listening: Achtung, baby. There is a general malaise around the fanbase at the moment, which manifests itself on Twitter and in Game Day threads around 65 minutes into each game when we're bracing for the inevitable implosion no matter how far ahead we are on the scoreboard.

It's unhealthy. It's not fun. And by the time last week's debacle at Shark Park rolled around, my senses were so dulled I did little more than take a quick look at Jesse Ramien's SuperCoach score before moving on with my day.

I do a pretty good job of switching off between games (hence the pitiful post count in my 10 years of active service on the GH), but I'll never be able to invest any less in something that's been part of my life since 1987. Been living in Delhi for three seasons now so the Raiders are my weekly dose of home, and my Indian wife has now been indoctrinated so it'd be cruel to leave her bleeding green on her own.

Still, it's slightly depressing that we're more an ongoing joke than a premiership threat. Opposition fans don't hate us and they certainly don't fear us. We're neither here nor there, like filler tracks at the end of a Katy Perry album. We're the sad, routine Green Machine.
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I’ll see you all in this thread at 9.15 PM tonight. Should be fun


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kris-ko wrote:I'm naive enough to think sending this thread to management might make a difference, but they're probably naive enough to think our feelings don't matter.

If anyone out there is listening: Achtung, baby. There is a general malaise around the fanbase at the moment, which manifests itself on Twitter and in Game Day threads around 65 minutes into each game when we're bracing for the inevitable implosion no matter how far ahead we are on the scoreboard.

It's unhealthy. It's not fun. And by the time last week's debacle at Shark Park rolled around, my senses were so dulled I did little more than take a quick look at Jesse Ramien's SuperCoach score before moving on with my day.

I do a pretty good job of switching off between games (hence the pitiful post count in my 10 years of active service on the GH), but I'll never be able to invest any less in something that's been part of my life since 1987. Been living in Delhi for three seasons now so the Raiders are my weekly dose of home, and my Indian wife has now been indoctrinated so it'd be cruel to leave her bleeding green on her own.

Still, it's slightly depressing that we're more an ongoing joke than a premiership threat. Opposition fans don't hate us and they certainly don't fear us. We're neither here nor there, like filler tracks at the end of a Katy Perry album. We're the sad, routine Green Machine.
There is no doubt that the Raiders management would track the GH threads.


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Brew wrote:I’ll see you all in this thread at 9.15 PM tonight. Should be fun


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LastRaider wrote:
kris-ko wrote:I'm naive enough to think sending this thread to management might make a difference, but they're probably naive enough to think our feelings don't matter.

If anyone out there is listening: Achtung, baby. There is a general malaise around the fanbase at the moment, which manifests itself on Twitter and in Game Day threads around 65 minutes into each game when we're bracing for the inevitable implosion no matter how far ahead we are on the scoreboard.

It's unhealthy. It's not fun. And by the time last week's debacle at Shark Park rolled around, my senses were so dulled I did little more than take a quick look at Jesse Ramien's SuperCoach score before moving on with my day.

I do a pretty good job of switching off between games (hence the pitiful post count in my 10 years of active service on the GH), but I'll never be able to invest any less in something that's been part of my life since 1987. Been living in Delhi for three seasons now so the Raiders are my weekly dose of home, and my Indian wife has now been indoctrinated so it'd be cruel to leave her bleeding green on her own.

Still, it's slightly depressing that we're more an ongoing joke than a premiership threat. Opposition fans don't hate us and they certainly don't fear us. We're neither here nor there, like filler tracks at the end of a Katy Perry album. We're the sad, routine Green Machine.
There is no doubt that the Raiders management would track the GH threads.


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LastRaider wrote: July 28, 2018, 5:52 pm
Brew wrote:I’ll see you all in this thread at 9.15 PM tonight. Should be fun


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LastRaider wrote:
kris-ko wrote:I'm naive enough to think sending this thread to management might make a difference, but they're probably naive enough to think our feelings don't matter.

If anyone out there is listening: Achtung, baby. There is a general malaise around the fanbase at the moment, which manifests itself on Twitter and in Game Day threads around 65 minutes into each game when we're bracing for the inevitable implosion no matter how far ahead we are on the scoreboard.

It's unhealthy. It's not fun. And by the time last week's debacle at Shark Park rolled around, my senses were so dulled I did little more than take a quick look at Jesse Ramien's SuperCoach score before moving on with my day.

I do a pretty good job of switching off between games (hence the pitiful post count in my 10 years of active service on the GH), but I'll never be able to invest any less in something that's been part of my life since 1987. Been living in Delhi for three seasons now so the Raiders are my weekly dose of home, and my Indian wife has now been indoctrinated so it'd be cruel to leave her bleeding green on her own.

Still, it's slightly depressing that we're more an ongoing joke than a premiership threat. Opposition fans don't hate us and they certainly don't fear us. We're neither here nor there, like filler tracks at the end of a Katy Perry album. We're the sad, routine Green Machine.
There is no doubt that the Raiders management would track the GH threads.


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Brew wrote: July 28, 2018, 5:43 pm I’ll see you all in this thread at 9.15 PM tonight. Should be fun


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Sorry Brew, I won't be joining you for that session..

But I'll catch up tomorrow..

Later all..

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Re: I'm tired and I'm worn down

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I think to suggest that we will never win another premiership is a bit of a stretch, unless you believe the Raiders will be kicked out/relocated or the comp itself will fold in the next 20-30 years. The change at the top most are calling for will happen inevitably, people dont live or work forever. But whether it will be for better or worse remains to be seen.

Honestly though I think half the problem is that the fanbase isn't putting any pressure on the club to make a change either. The attitudes in this forum are quite different to a lot of others you see around social media, theres a fair section of Raiders supporters who seem more than happy with how things are going and wouldnt dare criticize players coaches or staff. Others as seen in this thread just fade out as fans and stop caring (which is fine, not having a dig at anyone). You see when it comes to tough times at other clubs in the NRL or other sports the fans make themselves heard. Banners at games, social media movements etc. It gets the media talking about it and usually leads to something happening. Perhaps it wont with us either, but you can be sure no changes are made the way things are going. I cant see it happening but.
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Re: I'm tired and I'm worn down

Post by bleedgreen99 »

I’m sick to death of Ricky giving plodders a million chances while holding young stars back. He thinks not giving cotric what he wants it’ll toughen him up or something but if someone knows they deserve something and it’s withheld for no reason that can only piss them off. Why sacrifice if you don’t get the rewards
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