Pigman wrote: ↑July 27, 2018, 1:43 pm
Beejay wrote: ↑July 27, 2018, 11:09 am
Seiffert82 wrote: ↑July 26, 2018, 9:26 pm
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.
We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
If you re-read what you wrote you will see “arguably best team in the comp”. In other words, the team he inherited was one of the best teams in the comp and in a premiership window. Other coaches had failed to get the team to produce their best. Other teams were also in a premiership window themselves.
He got his team to win a comp. He turned average players (Soward, Weyman, Poore ect) to play career best footy.
It’s only self-deception that is keeping you from seeing this achievement for what it is. Success
And I understand we can only agree to disagree on the present and future. I think he’s easily top5 coaches and will be for at least a few more years.
Im not interested in debating Bennett's record, AFAIC it speaks for itself and people who want to pretend the guy was never good are just being ridiculous.
But i dont give the faintest **** if he's won zero premierships or 40 premierships... he doesnt bring them with him, we dont get the claim them... You shouldnt employee anyone in sports based on what they've done, the past is the past. You pay them for what they can do for you in the future.
Can Bennett be successful in a small market team where the top 13 isnt stacked with rep talent on advantageous contracts?
Nothing from him in the last 5-6 years suggest he can do that.
The Broncos would know him better than any, and they are telling you what's up. They're openly and publicly trying to replace him.
If they believed he was easily a top 5 NRL Coach and would be for another few years, that would not be happening.
To be honest I don’t know where I stand on this, but part of your argument is irrelevant at the moment - the broncos pushing him out because he is not ‘a top 5 coach’ is only relevant if you are a ‘top 5 team’. Is he a top 5 coach - I doubt it. Is he a top 8 coach? Maybe , and very little about the last 5 years says we have one of those in Sticky . Just because we can’t sign Bellamy, does that mean we shouldn’t attempt to get better than we already have?
I know you are all for getting rid of Stick, and I am right there with you. But let’s just say we have already approached Toovey and Maguire, and they both knocked us back. Would you prefer to pick up Bennett, or stay with Stick for another 2-3 years?
The biggest issue I see (that could be easily rememdied) with this club right now is MESSAGING. Sticky is undoubtably passionate, and can motivate a squad - hence he has generally had success within the first 2 years of getting his squad together in all teams he has coached, bar the basket case of the eels. That is his strong suit, and why he was a fairly good rep coach. His issue is that all his coaching is based on motivation, and very little on technical nous, hence our defence is still as abysmal as when he arrived.
The problem is, he is trying to sell the same message to the same squad, and it isn’t working. This can be fixed in 3 ways - change who is creating the message (change of coach, like has happened at Penrith/Souths), change who is delivering the message (assistant and specialist coaches, see the constant assistant rotations out of Melbourne and Brisbane) or change who is listening to the message (squad turnover).
We have done none of these with any real intent in the last 5 years, and show no outward sign of doing so by promoting assistant coaches from within, and constantly upgrading current player deals rather than letting some go and bringing in some talent other than fringe players.
All this adds up to 2 more years of mediocrity unless some changes are made.
And bringing Bellamy home
MAY just be romantic enough to get our incompetent board interested.