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greeneyed wrote:One advantage of Wayne Bennett might be getting Tevita Pangai Jnr back.

Really hurts losing juniors like this.

I still am gobsmacked about how we gave him no opportunity and let him go. Hopefully, we don't repeat the error with some of the young forwards coming through.
Tevita Pangai Jnr is about to close to signing with the Roosters! Can you believe that!


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Good lord no. Broncos should be winning the comp every 2nd year with all of the leg ups they get. broncos being on the fringe of the 8 after being propped up with numerous dubious wins this year is a disaster for them!
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Pigman wrote: July 25, 2018, 9:45 pm It wasn’t a lack of success
It was a disaster on par with any we’ve seen in recent times

A catastrophic failure. One so bad it almost sent that club to the grave.

The broncos under his latest stint still have a roster that is incredible and the results have been very underwhelming.

His tactics are outdated. His bench use is ordinary. Like I said, he’s routinely out coached these days

No disrespect, he’s had an amazing career and I don’t agree with those who say he has always been this way. Fact is in his day he was a extraordinary coach... this ain’t his day.

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Yep he's done. I've stated my case before why calling him statistically the greatest coach of all time is a complete fallacy.

I despise the Broncos and the advantages they receive from the NRL on anything you could measure. For me the best thing the Broncos can do is keep Bennett on. He's holding them back.
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Bennett is now past his best. The only way I could see him working now is with a younger co-coach who is at the forefront of the modern game.

Probably revisiting the way he started at the Raiders as co-coach with Don Furner senior.
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greeneyed wrote:One advantage of Wayne Bennett might be getting Tevita Pangai Jnr back.

Really hurts losing juniors like this.

I still am gobsmacked about how we gave him no opportunity and let him go. Hopefully, we don't repeat the error with some of the young forwards coming through.
TPJ is a knights junior isn't he?

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dubby wrote: July 26, 2018, 3:26 pm
greeneyed wrote:One advantage of Wayne Bennett might be getting Tevita Pangai Jnr back.

Really hurts losing juniors like this.

I still am gobsmacked about how we gave him no opportunity and let him go. Hopefully, we don't repeat the error with some of the young forwards coming through.
TPJ is a knights junior isn't he?

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I would be happy to have Wayne Bennet as coach any day of the week. His teams win on the back of defence and good game management. The two area’s we are lacking immensely


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-PJ- wrote: July 26, 2018, 3:31 pm
dubby wrote: July 26, 2018, 3:26 pm
greeneyed wrote:One advantage of Wayne Bennett might be getting Tevita Pangai Jnr back.

Really hurts losing juniors like this.

I still am gobsmacked about how we gave him no opportunity and let him go. Hopefully, we don't repeat the error with some of the young forwards coming through.
TPJ is a knights junior isn't he?

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Nathan Brown said it all about Bennetts time at the Knights. He was 'distracted' it seems. Not thinking. Bennetts advantage would be he would know the English players in our side. If the Bronco's were a stellar defensive side I would consider it. But they are not. A phone call to the Storm or Roosters defensive assistant coaches is more what our club needs imo. It would be a NO for Bennett from me.
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Woodgers wrote: July 25, 2018, 8:32 pm In all my history posting on here I've always said the same thing about Wayne Bennett. People point to his record as to why he is such a great coach. I've always said look at the sides he has coached and a large part of that he had virtually an entire state to pick from, he has massively underachieved during his career if you consider the advantages he has had.

Not to mention his attitude is an absolute blight on the game. Absolutely no way would I want him near the Raiders.
100% agree and have said it for years.

The bloke walked away from the Broncos the first time as they were about to implode and walked straight into the NRL's biggest under-performing team of the last 20 years in the Dragons. Credit to him for finally getting StMerge over the line (don't get me started on the Gasnier fiasco), but he has been absolute balls since then.

Considering who he has coached, his record since 2002 is pretty bloody ordinary if you ask me.
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Unless you are giving the defensive coach authority over selections, a new defensive coach won't make much if any difference IMO.

FTR I'd have Bennett over Ricky because I'd rather have a has been than a never was as coach. I also think you could build a pretty good team with Bennett as the Don and someone young and technically proficient being Bennett's Bennett.
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Ricky Stuart has won an NRL premiership and been in charge of NSW and Australia as a coach. Ridiculous to suggest "never was".
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Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 5:19 pm

100% agree and have said it for years.

The bloke walked away from the Broncos the first time as they were about to implode and walked straight into the NRL's biggest under-performing team of the last 20 years in the Dragons. Credit to him for finally getting StMerge over the line (don't get me started on the Gasnier fiasco), but he has been absolute balls since then.

Considering who he has coached, his record since 2002 is pretty bloody ordinary if you ask me.
Balls since he won a comp with Dragons? Did you miss the 2015 GF??

Since 2002 he’s got his teams to 3 grand finals and won 2. And you reckon that’s ordinary? Fair dinkum.

He left Broncos in 2008, and Lockyer didn’t retire till 2011.
The broncos missed the finals twice in the six years he wasn’t there.

Quite simply, facts don’t support the theory that any coach could just coach the Broncos to the finals every single year and win multiple grand finals.
The Broncos haven’t had the best roster in the NRL for a while. Roosters and Melbourne have.
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Beejay wrote: July 26, 2018, 7:52 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 5:19 pm

100% agree and have said it for years.

The bloke walked away from the Broncos the first time as they were about to implode and walked straight into the NRL's biggest under-performing team of the last 20 years in the Dragons. Credit to him for finally getting StMerge over the line (don't get me started on the Gasnier fiasco), but he has been absolute balls since then.

Considering who he has coached, his record since 2002 is pretty bloody ordinary if you ask me.
Balls since he won a comp with Dragons? Did you miss the 2015 GF??

Since 2002 he’s got his teams to 3 grand finals and won 2. And you reckon that’s ordinary? Fair dinkum.

He left Broncos in 2008, and Lockyer didn’t retire till 2011.
The broncos missed the finals twice in the six years he wasn’t there.

Quite simply, facts don’t support the theory that any coach could just coach the Broncos to the finals every single year and win multiple grand finals.
The Broncos haven’t had the best roster in the NRL for a while. Roosters and Melbourne have.
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.

We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
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One thing is for sure. His teams can have a good attitude in defence when needed most of the time.


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And ours don’t.
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Only questions to me are:
1. Is he better than what we have now?
2. Is he better than anyone else we could get?
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Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 9:26 pm
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.

We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
If you re-read what you wrote you will see “arguably best team in the comp”. In other words, the team he inherited was one of the best teams in the comp and in a premiership window. Other coaches had failed to get the team to produce their best. Other teams were also in a premiership window themselves.
He got his team to win a comp. He turned average players (Soward, Weyman, Poore ect) to play career best footy.
It’s only self-deception that is keeping you from seeing this achievement for what it is. Success

And I understand we can only agree to disagree on the present and future. I think he’s easily top5 coaches and will be for at least a few more years.
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myanonymoususername wrote: July 26, 2018, 10:36 pm Only questions to me are:
1. Is he better than what we have now?
2. Is he better than anyone else we could get?
He is definitely better than what we have. His side is hitting form at the right part of the season and increasingly likely to finish top 4.

I don't know who else is on the market but McGuire is a premiership winning coach who would IMO be a good fit for our squad.

One thing is certain. Our current coach needs to GTFO yesterday. He is an embarrassment and is tarnishing his playing legacy in the same way Furner did by refusing to cop to his own failures and resign.
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Beejay wrote: July 27, 2018, 11:09 am
Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 9:26 pm
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.

We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
If you re-read what you wrote you will see “arguably best team in the comp”. In other words, the team he inherited was one of the best teams in the comp and in a premiership window. Other coaches had failed to get the team to produce their best. Other teams were also in a premiership window themselves.
He got his team to win a comp. He turned average players (Soward, Weyman, Poore ect) to play career best footy.
It’s only self-deception that is keeping you from seeing this achievement for what it is. Success

And I understand we can only agree to disagree on the present and future. I think he’s easily top5 coaches and will be for at least a few more years.
Im not interested in debating Bennett's record, AFAIC it speaks for itself and people who want to pretend the guy was never good are just being ridiculous.

But i dont give the faintest **** if he's won zero premierships or 40 premierships... he doesnt bring them with him, we dont get the claim them... You shouldnt employee anyone in sports based on what they've done, the past is the past. You pay them for what they can do for you in the future.
Can Bennett be successful in a small market team where the top 13 isnt stacked with rep talent on advantageous contracts?
Nothing from him in the last 5-6 years suggest he can do that.

The Broncos would know him better than any, and they are telling you what's up. They're openly and publicly trying to replace him.
If they believed he was easily a top 5 NRL Coach and would be for another few years, that would not be happening.
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Pigman wrote: July 27, 2018, 1:43 pm
Beejay wrote: July 27, 2018, 11:09 am
Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 9:26 pm
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.

We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
If you re-read what you wrote you will see “arguably best team in the comp”. In other words, the team he inherited was one of the best teams in the comp and in a premiership window. Other coaches had failed to get the team to produce their best. Other teams were also in a premiership window themselves.
He got his team to win a comp. He turned average players (Soward, Weyman, Poore ect) to play career best footy.
It’s only self-deception that is keeping you from seeing this achievement for what it is. Success

And I understand we can only agree to disagree on the present and future. I think he’s easily top5 coaches and will be for at least a few more years.
Im not interested in debating Bennett's record, AFAIC it speaks for itself and people who want to pretend the guy was never good are just being ridiculous.

But i dont give the faintest **** if he's won zero premierships or 40 premierships... he doesnt bring them with him, we dont get the claim them... You shouldnt employee anyone in sports based on what they've done, the past is the past. You pay them for what they can do for you in the future.
Can Bennett be successful in a small market team where the top 13 isnt stacked with rep talent on advantageous contracts?
Nothing from him in the last 5-6 years suggest he can do that.

The Broncos would know him better than any, and they are telling you what's up. They're openly and publicly trying to replace him.
If they believed he was easily a top 5 NRL Coach and would be for another few years, that would not be happening.
To be honest I don’t know where I stand on this, but part of your argument is irrelevant at the moment - the broncos pushing him out because he is not ‘a top 5 coach’ is only relevant if you are a ‘top 5 team’. Is he a top 5 coach - I doubt it. Is he a top 8 coach? Maybe , and very little about the last 5 years says we have one of those in Sticky . Just because we can’t sign Bellamy, does that mean we shouldn’t attempt to get better than we already have?

I know you are all for getting rid of Stick, and I am right there with you. But let’s just say we have already approached Toovey and Maguire, and they both knocked us back. Would you prefer to pick up Bennett, or stay with Stick for another 2-3 years?

The biggest issue I see (that could be easily rememdied) with this club right now is MESSAGING. Sticky is undoubtably passionate, and can motivate a squad - hence he has generally had success within the first 2 years of getting his squad together in all teams he has coached, bar the basket case of the eels. That is his strong suit, and why he was a fairly good rep coach. His issue is that all his coaching is based on motivation, and very little on technical nous, hence our defence is still as abysmal as when he arrived.

The problem is, he is trying to sell the same message to the same squad, and it isn’t working. This can be fixed in 3 ways - change who is creating the message (change of coach, like has happened at Penrith/Souths), change who is delivering the message (assistant and specialist coaches, see the constant assistant rotations out of Melbourne and Brisbane) or change who is listening to the message (squad turnover).

We have done none of these with any real intent in the last 5 years, and show no outward sign of doing so by promoting assistant coaches from within, and constantly upgrading current player deals rather than letting some go and bringing in some talent other than fringe players.

All this adds up to 2 more years of mediocrity unless some changes are made.

And bringing Bellamy home
MAY just be romantic enough to get our incompetent board interested.
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Pigman wrote: July 27, 2018, 1:43 pm
Beejay wrote: July 27, 2018, 11:09 am
Seiffert82 wrote: July 26, 2018, 9:26 pm
This debate is boring. He inherited arguably the best squad in the comp with the Dragons, did nothing special with the Knights and has achieved what any average coach should have done at a powerhouse club like the Broncos.

We'll agree to disagree on how relevant he is as an NRL coach these days.
If you re-read what you wrote you will see “arguably best team in the comp”. In other words, the team he inherited was one of the best teams in the comp and in a premiership window. Other coaches had failed to get the team to produce their best. Other teams were also in a premiership window themselves.
He got his team to win a comp. He turned average players (Soward, Weyman, Poore ect) to play career best footy.
It’s only self-deception that is keeping you from seeing this achievement for what it is. Success

And I understand we can only agree to disagree on the present and future. I think he’s easily top5 coaches and will be for at least a few more years.
Im not interested in debating Bennett's record, AFAIC it speaks for itself and people who want to pretend the guy was never good are just being ridiculous.

But i dont give the faintest **** if he's won zero premierships or 40 premierships... he doesnt bring them with him, we dont get the claim them... You shouldnt employee anyone in sports based on what they've done, the past is the past. You pay them for what they can do for you in the future.
Can Bennett be successful in a small market team where the top 13 isnt stacked with rep talent on advantageous contracts?
Nothing from him in the last 5-6 years suggest he can do that.

The Broncos would know him better than any, and they are telling you what's up. They're openly and publicly trying to replace him.
If they believed he was easily a top 5 NRL Coach and would be for another few years, that would not be happening.
I agree with most of what you are saying here. Just one question;
In the last 5-6 years has any coach shown they can be successful in a small market team without a team stacked with rep talent on advantageous contracts?
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Maybe not, but i've seen enough from other coaches like Ivan Cleary and what he's doing with a very ordinary football team, talent wise, and guys like Michael McGuire who were culture change agents to suggest they would be better bets for us than a guy like Bennett.

I think guys like that are coaches. They take the talent they have and elevate their level of player.
I dont see Bennett as that sort of coach any longer, in fact i think he coaches the creative talent somewhat out of his players. Anthony Milford is a fine player but no one will convince me he should be revered in the way Kayln Ponga currently is.

But as i keep saying, forget Bennett, forget McGuire and forget Bellemy (ok maybe not him)... go out there, conduct an actually **** search that goes beyond people who show up for Christmas dinner and go and find the next great coach.

We need refresh innovative ideas, from the chairman, through the board, to the CEO and to the coach. We need a total and complete culture change, top to bottom.

Then, and only then will this club restore hope to it's fan base. Anything else is shuffling deck chairs on the titanic.
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Well we both agree on culture change and clean out of administration.
But I think Bennett could get this current squad into the top4 next year, and then who knows.
There’s really only a handful of coaches I would say that for.

I could pick the same or more holes through Maguire and Cleary as coaches compared to Bennett. It’s about what you want to see.
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I would go with a Coach who has a winning coaching history over a rookie. Michael Maguire is only 44. He is a potential long term coaching option. His win percentage with Souths over a 6 year period was 56% of matches. It is very hard to argue with such success in the NRL. He is a Canberra local. He is focused on defensive outcomes (probably because he learned his coaching trade with Bellamy) which is our biggest weakness. I think he could turn us into a 'tough to beat' side rather than the faiders as we have often demonstrated over the past 2 years.
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No more old boys (except Bellamy).I prefer Toovey or even Des for a couple of years as they will put a rocket up Donny and the whole club.
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Toovey yes. Hasler no ****ing way. Hasler left Manly in a salary cap hole and he did the same at the Dogs.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: July 28, 2018, 11:01 am Toovey yes. Hasler no ****ing way. Hasler left Manly in a salary cap hole and he did the same at the Dogs.
How do you think he would go if he ARRIVED at a club that was already in a salary cap hole??
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Green eyed Mick wrote: July 28, 2018, 11:01 am Toovey yes. Hasler no ****ing way. Hasler left Manly in a salary cap hole and he did the same at the Dogs.
I am in constant disbelief at the lack of spine among NRL CEO's which allow coaches to dictate player payments to the extent there is a breech in the Salary Cap.

If a Coach wants a player at any price he should nominate the player/s that have to be cut to accommodate that player within the cap and then the coach should go and tell the players who have to go, why they have to go.

I am a fan of Michael Maguire's coaching, both in England and in the NRL. If we don't go with him in future: We are left with Ricky 'chair kicker' Stuart, or the Neville Nobody option or the Des 'Door unhinged' Hasler option or the Geoff 'there has to be an investigation' Toovey option. Interesting that Toovey's methods did not work in England.
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Coastalraider wrote:
Green eyed Mick wrote: July 28, 2018, 11:01 am Toovey yes. Hasler no ****ing way. Hasler left Manly in a salary cap hole and he did the same at the Dogs.
How do you think he would go if he ARRIVED at a club that was already in a salary cap hole??
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Guys, Bennett is still getting results, as mentioned above, Bronc's r firing at the right end.
Raiders r going backwards so fast...it's laughable.

Maguire was mentioned...Yes

Any u guys looked up the names of the board members!
Intelligent, successful, brilliant people with all those letters after their name.

I can imagine these gentleman having tea with the Governer General.
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Bennett, McGuire, Toovey... I will take anyone at this stage to move Ricky on.


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green eyebrow wrote: July 30, 2018, 7:24 pm Guys, Bennett is still getting results, as mentioned above, Bronc's r firing at the right end.
Raiders r going backwards so fast...it's laughable.

Maguire was mentioned...Yes

Any u guys looked up the names of the board members!
Intelligent, successful, brilliant people with all those letters after their name.

I can imagine these gentleman having tea with the Governer General.
Ahh, i see what's happening here.

GE, hit him with the ban stick
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Pigman wrote:
green eyebrow wrote: July 30, 2018, 7:24 pm Guys, Bennett is still getting results, as mentioned above, Bronc's r firing at the right end.
Raiders r going backwards so fast...it's laughable.

Maguire was mentioned...Yes

Any u guys looked up the names of the board members!
Intelligent, successful, brilliant people with all those letters after their name.

I can imagine these gentleman having tea with the Governer General.
Ahh, i see what's happening here.

GE, hit him with the ban stick
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