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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by BJ » July 20, 2018, 10:01 pm

I go back to my earlier point. NRL Referees do not always blow their whistle on every decision they make.

They sometimes just verbally call knock on without blowing the whistle.

I remember Bill Harrigan recently complaining that current referees do not use their whistle enough. This was a great example of why it’s important.

You can’t always play to the whistle if the referees don’t ‘always’ use the whistle when making their decisions.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by -TW- » July 20, 2018, 10:01 pm

T_R wrote:
Wiggy wrote:
July 20, 2018, 9:57 pm
What was that YouTube vid suppose to prove? The play clearly stopped?

I honestly have no idea wether it was an argument for or against TR?
I imagine he offered it as a pleasant cinematographic interlude.
You quite clearly said the touch judge can't raise their flag other than to signal touch

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by T_R » July 20, 2018, 10:02 pm

greeneyed wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:00 pm
The NRL has already admitted the touch judge erred with putting up his flag and the bunker decision is going to be reviewed.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32896&p=1607497#p1607488
I imagine that TW will be called to show some videos in evidence.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by T_R » July 20, 2018, 10:03 pm

-TW- wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:01 pm
T_R wrote:
Wiggy wrote:
July 20, 2018, 9:57 pm
What was that YouTube vid suppose to prove? The play clearly stopped?

I honestly have no idea wether it was an argument for or against TR?
I imagine he offered it as a pleasant cinematographic interlude.
You quite clearly said the touch judge can't raise their flag other than to signal touch
Righto, sorry. "While the ball is in play", as I clarified.

Which it was.
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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by greeneyed » July 20, 2018, 10:05 pm

And no doubt, after the review, the NRL referees will tell us that everything was in order, the referees and bunker were right all along, and there's nothing to see here! La plus ca change...
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by manbearpig » July 20, 2018, 10:10 pm

First was the knock on, that turned into a forward pass, the flag raised, players from both teams stopped, and the call overturned. Take your pick
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Billy Walker » July 20, 2018, 10:18 pm

People are getting pretty steamed up about this- I can see it's a bit of a touchie subject.... :doubt:

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by T_R » July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm

Billy Walker wrote:People are getting pretty steamed up about this- I can see it's a bit of a touchie subject.... :doubt:
Think we should flag the thread?
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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Manchild » July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm

Why am I not surprised to find king **** Lucy and Pigman in here defending the refs after this game

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Billy Walker » July 20, 2018, 10:27 pm

T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Billy Walker wrote:People are getting pretty steamed up about this- I can see it's a bit of a touchie subject.... :doubt:
Think we should flag the thread?
Should probably review it first before you blow time on it!

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by kiwi raider » July 20, 2018, 10:27 pm

So Next time a ref calls knock on without blowing his whistle we should
Send someone flying to put a huge hit in to the ribs of the player waiting for the scrum because no matter what you always play the whistle

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Pigman » July 20, 2018, 10:28 pm

Manchild wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Why am I not surprised to find king **** Lucy and Pigman in here defending the refs after this game
You shouldnt be surprised.
The referees were at fault for this loss, we've probably both agreed to that, just not in related to the touch judges flag
This isnt remotely an issue if the bunker correctly rules there is no evidence to overturn the on field decision, No try.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by T_R » July 20, 2018, 10:29 pm

Pigman wrote:
Manchild wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Why am I not surprised to find king **** knob Lucy and Pigman in here defending the refs after this game
You shouldnt be surprised.
The referees were at fault for this loss, we've probably both agreed to that, just not in related to the touch judges flag
This isnt remotely an issue if the bunker correctly rules there is no evidence to overturn the on field decision, No try.
The NRL disagrees

Also, I just read that Luke Phillips tweet. Apparently refs are not allowed to go to the video ref once the flag has been raised.
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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Pigman » July 20, 2018, 10:35 pm

No one is disputing the flag shouldnt have gone up, TR. The dispute is whether a flag from a touch judge in relation to a knock on, which is what the flag was raised for, is grounds for stoppage of play. Which there isn't

At the end of the day, mistakes happen and the onus is on the players to know that play does not stop unless the official whistles the play dead. Which did not happen.

Why the call was overturned it beyond me given it went up as no try. Clearly an appallingly bad decision.
Why the pass was called forward is even more baffling. Those are the decisions that ended our season.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Pigman » July 20, 2018, 10:38 pm

T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:29 pm
Pigman wrote:
Manchild wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Why am I not surprised to find king **** knob Lucy and Pigman in here defending the refs after this game
\Also, I just read that Luke Phillips tweet. Apparently refs are not allowed to go to the video ref once the flag has been raised.
Luke Phillips was one of the worst VRs to ever grace the booth... which is i quite a thing... i think this forum has a thread about him. Check it out...

He wouldnt know if his **** was on fire... the fact is refs go to the VR all the time when the flag is raised. Half of the acrobatic groundings go up as no try as the sideline official raises his flag and they check it to find out he was wrong. During the course of a play, it's all fair game until a whistle has sounded. That reality.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by T_R » July 20, 2018, 10:49 pm

Pigman wrote:
T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:29 pm
Pigman wrote:
Manchild wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Why am I not surprised to find king **** knob Lucy and Pigman in here defending the refs after this game
\Also, I just read that Luke Phillips tweet. Apparently refs are not allowed to go to the video ref once the flag has been raised.
Luke Phillips was one of the worst VRs to ever grace the booth... which is i quite a thing... i think this forum has a thread about him. Check it out...

He wouldnt know if his **** was on fire... the fact is refs go to the VR all the time when the flag is raised. Half of the acrobatic groundings go up as no try as the sideline official raises his flag and they check it to find out he was wrong. During the course of a play, it's all fair game until a whistle has sounded. That reality.
No, it's not. You're just choosing to ignore the rules.
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You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by gangrenous » July 20, 2018, 10:55 pm

If only NRL refereeing was as consistent as pigman.

He’s not backed down on anything he’s ever said. No matter how blatantly wrong he may realise he is after the fact.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Schifty » July 20, 2018, 10:58 pm

Unfortunately the NRL has outlawed common sense in the bunker.

I'm Cynical AF about this side but there is no way I can blame players for stopping when they saw a flag raised.

When they raise the flag on a grounding it is pretty much instantaneous with grounding and there is no way you can say it effected anyone''s decision making.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by yeh raiders » July 20, 2018, 11:14 pm

Schifty wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:58 pm
Unfortunately the NRL has outlawed common sense in the bunker.

I'm Cynical AF about this side but there is no way I can blame players for stopping when they saw a flag raised.

When they raise the flag on a grounding it is pretty much instantaneous with grounding and there is no way you can say it effected anyone''s decision making.
Excuse my cynicism, but if Luke Patten was allowed to apply common sense, I’m confident the game would be even worse off.

He needed to be sacked a long time ago. How Ben Cummins has maintained his officiating role as well, is just embarrassing.

The NRL have themselves to blame for the decline of our great game, as they continue to reward incompetence.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by greeneyed » July 20, 2018, 11:20 pm

I have just watched the hour long replay... up to the point. There is certainly the sound of a whistle. The commentators say... they're blowing this up here. I cannot guarantee that it is the main referee, as you can't quite see what he's doing on the angle. It isn't the pocket referee. But I can certainly understand why the players might have heard a whistle. They should check the audio... it happens just after the "knock on".
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by greeneyed » July 20, 2018, 11:30 pm

And clearly the bunker doesn't have conclusive evidence to overrule the NO TRY call on field. It is clearly an incorrect call.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by RedRaider » July 20, 2018, 11:40 pm

T_R is correct on what the Rule Book says:

"Section 16. Duties of Referees and Touch Judges
Accept Touch Judge decision
10. The referee shall accept the decision of an Official Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in goal and to kicks at goal."

If the on field ref had followed the rules then the play would have stopped there and then with a scrum to the Raiders.

However, this would have been a travesty because the ball was clearly not in touch.

I agree with Hodgo, we blew it in the first half.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by EVH » July 20, 2018, 11:40 pm

greeneyed wrote:
July 20, 2018, 11:20 pm
I have just watched the hour long replay... up to the point. There is certainly the sound of a whistle. The commentators say... they're blowing this up here. I cannot guarantee that it is the main referee, as you can't quite see what he's doing on the angle. It isn't the pocket referee. But I can certainly understand why the players might have heard a whistle. They should check the audio... it happens just after the "knock on".
I just did the same thing and there is DEFINITELY a whistle blown, so, they did play to the whistle, don't think they'll be needing that giant stock image of a whistle then.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Captain Punish » July 20, 2018, 11:46 pm

I watched it back a few times, and there was no whistle. The ref on the spot looked as if he wanted to blow it, but never. You can tell yourself there was a whistle all you want, but Hodgson says there was no whistle, he said he went off the touchie, which we have come to conclusion, the touchie can only raise his flag when it's in touch or touch in goal decision, which this was neither, so..

Play the whistle. If no whistle, like in this case, play on. Make the tackle. Stop the try. All is right with the world.

Play on.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by greeneyed » July 20, 2018, 11:51 pm

Captain Punish wrote:
July 20, 2018, 11:46 pm
I watched it back a few times, and there was no whistle. The ref on the spot looked as if he wanted to blow it, but never. You can tell yourself there was a whistle all you want, but Hodgson says there was no whistle, he said he went off the touchie, which we have come to conclusion, the touchie can only raise his flag when it's in touch or touch in goal decision, which this was neither, so..

Play the whistle. If no whistle, like in this case, play on. Make the tackle. Stop the try. All is right with the world.

Play on.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Captain Punish » July 21, 2018, 12:01 am


greeneyed wrote:
Captain Punish wrote:
July 20, 2018, 11:46 pm
I watched it back a few times, and there was no whistle. The ref on the spot looked as if he wanted to blow it, but never. You can tell yourself there was a whistle all you want, but Hodgson says there was no whistle, he said he went off the touchie, which we have come to conclusion, the touchie can only raise his flag when it's in touch or touch in goal decision, which this was neither, so..

Play the whistle. If no whistle, like in this case, play on. Make the tackle. Stop the try. All is right with the world.

Play on.

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Hardly.

I admit we were robbed by the refs with the forward pass call. Which was a perfect pass and prevented me from also profiting $260 for Brad Abbey's second try of the game, but let's not digress. The fact the sharks numpty never touched the ball to begin with means it was not a knock on anyway and should have been play on, followed by the fact you are told in junior football to not plead to the ref. Make the damn tackle, then argue. It's rugby league 101. Complete the play. Play the whistle. etc etc. My son was taught that in U6's. Surely a professional football team at the top of the game know to do the same.

And I have listened to it multiple times and there is NO whistle. Josh Hodgson said there was NO whistle. What more do you need? The players have said there was no whistle. Pretending there was a whistle even though those that were on the field have said there wasn't, now that's being agenda driven.

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by greeneyed » July 21, 2018, 12:07 am

You simply aren't listening to the audio. There certainly is something that sounds like a whistle, just after the knock on takes place. Who said there was no whistle? Link me in.

I've not said that it is definitely the referee whistle... as I can't see what he's doing on screen. It isn't the pocket referee. But you should clean out the ears if you can't hear at least a "half" whistle.

And I'm not surprised the players stopped at this point... along with the touchie raising his flag.

I understand why you're carrying on... because you've carried on so much already. But just listen with open ears, brain and heart.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Archer » July 21, 2018, 12:16 am

Billy Walker wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:27 pm
T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Billy Walker wrote:People are getting pretty steamed up about this- I can see it's a bit of a touchie subject.... :doubt:
Think we should flag the thread?
Should probably review it first before you blow time on it!
Is this a play on something

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Leebola » July 21, 2018, 1:19 am

Archer wrote:
July 21, 2018, 12:16 am
Billy Walker wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:27 pm
T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:20 pm
Billy Walker wrote:People are getting pretty steamed up about this- I can see it's a bit of a touchie subject.... :doubt:
Think we should flag the thread?
Should probably review it first before you blow time on it!
Is this a play on something
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Dr Zaius » July 21, 2018, 6:41 am

kiwi raider wrote:So Next time a ref calls knock on without blowing his whistle we should
Send someone flying to put a huge hit in to the ribs of the player waiting for the scrum because no matter what you always play the whistle
That would be worth the price of entry.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Pigman » July 21, 2018, 7:19 am

T_R wrote:
July 20, 2018, 10:49 pm
No, it's not. You're just choosing to ignore the rules.
17.43. The Touch Judge cannot stop the play for any signals infringement but he may signal the nature of an infringement if the Referee is unsighted and seeks his guidance.

There is. The touch judge can not stop play. The on field referee is the one who can whistle a play dead based on the touch judges signals and advise. It was clear in this case the touch judge improperly signaled his flag for a knock on as if the ball was in touch, it was clearly not in touch, and the on field official allowed play to continue.

Like I said. Play the whistle. But in the end this is semantics! The try should not have been awarded

I’d love to know how the bunker felt there was enough conclusive evidence to overturn the no try call. No view showed conclusively that the sharks didn’t touch the ball, there was no justification to over turn it

Now if what GE says is correct and there was a whistle, that’s a totally different thing. I’ll be trying to listen for that at some point today for myself, but if there was any sound out of that whistle, then absolutely the raiders players did the right thing and that play should not have been allowed to stand
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by -PJ- » July 21, 2018, 7:24 am

I'm inviting Ricky Macfarlane around for a few bevvies and a chat.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by kiwi raider » July 21, 2018, 7:38 am

-PJ- wrote:
July 21, 2018, 7:24 am
I'm inviting Ricky Macfarlane around for a few bevvies and a chat.
He was keen but now he’s just going to flag it

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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by Northern Raider » July 21, 2018, 8:03 am

A touchy puts his flag up in general play then the play stops. This is not occasionally or sometimes or most times. It is every time.

Forget about it being called a knock on as that’s irrelevant. Sharks player was near the touch line and the touchy put his flag up. Bateman was the last player he ran past and was 20m in field. He stops and points to the touchy because the flag was raised. He’s not close enough to hear what’s said so believes the touchy has signalled the player was out. In which case play stops.
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Re: Playing the whistle

Post by dubby » July 21, 2018, 8:13 am

"An NRL spokesman conceded the touch judge’s flag should not have gone up but when it did the onfield ref should have stopped play."

NRL statement issued.

Pigman and Lucy are wrong.

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