hrundi89 wrote:I don't see that we get a boatload of even-up penalties. It happens, but not with as much regularity as other clubs. I honestly believe that the refs/admin just don't care about us. It's why the refs don't listen to Croker or Hodgo now. They're perfectly willing to give C. Smith a BJ however.
However, we need to control what we can control.
The most important thing this season is we’re net negative for penalties ie we concede more than we receive. In recent seasons, we’ve been net positive and in 2016 were around the top of the tree for penalties awarded. We were actually pretty well treated... but that advantage has disappeared this season with the crack down.
hrundi89 wrote:I don't see that we get a boatload of even-up penalties. It happens, but not with as much regularity as other clubs. I honestly believe that the refs/admin just don't care about us. It's why the refs don't listen to Croker or Hodgo now. They're perfectly willing to give C. Smith a BJ however.
However, we need to control what we can control.
The most important thing this season is we’re net negative for penalties ie we concede more than we receive. In recent seasons, we’ve been net positive and in 2016 were around the top of the tree for penalties awarded. We were actually pretty well treated... but that advantage has disappeared this season with the crack down.
Is their an NRL stats site with the individual penalty details listed for each game?
Preferably with scores at the time, and penalty awarded to, and the time of the penalty.
I kept a manual list a few years ago, and once the Raiders had a lead of 10 points or more, we were 8 times more likely to concede a penalty than receive one. It returned to even after we were behind on the score board again.
A casino would have an investigation if their stats had results like this under certain scenarios where it should be 50%.
Woodgers wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 11:34 am
That's correct a lot of the time but my entire point is that this shouldn't be happening whatsoever. It's a blight on the game. My comments around this issue are less about the Raiders and more a general statement about this issue of how NRL games are officiated across the board. It's insane to have such policies.
Couldnt agree more.
If a team gets belted in the penalty count every week, its up to the players and coaches to address their discipline
-TW- wrote: ↑July 23, 2018, 12:51 pm
Heard on the radio Reynolds and MacFarlane will be stood down
Darling brother will be spared
What a joke. Touchie and Assistant Referee dropped. Precious Brother Sutton 'demoted' to the Titans v Warriors game. How must fans of those teams feel when a punishment for a horrible performance is to be 'demoted' to ref their teams. And Patten simply a video ref this week - how he is even allowed in the Bunker again is a joke.
The reality of the NRL mindset can be seen in the fact that Sutton has been punished by been assigned to a "low profile" game featuring the Warriors, even though they are in a finals fight. It's all about profile.
Kent and Ikin just gave a huge serve to Greenberg for "demoting" Sutton to the Warriors game. And want people to tweet #Fixthegameup... rather than #Talkthegameup
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 6:49 pm
Kent and Ikin just gave a huge serve to Greenberg for "demoting" Sutton to the Warriors game. And want people to tweet #Fixthegameup... rather than #Talkthegameup
Yeah, I was cheering them on. Absolutely aghast and if I was the Warriors and Titans fans I'd be preparing my banners now and some form of protest. Shocking level of disrespect.
And to all the people who doubted me, hello to them as well. - Mark Webber, Raiders Ballboy and Unluckiest F1 Driver Ever
I'm attacking in the right way, instead of just...attacking in the general direction. - Max Aaron (also eerily apropos for the Green Machine)
Pigman wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 7:04 pm
It's a fair point, i mean imagine being a titans or warriors player... this guy isnt fit to referee other games but he can ref you?
The optics of that are awful.
Titans probably have to suck it up, but considering that there is a Knights v Cowboys game it's a massive slap in the face of the Warriors.
I have to say, I was pretty unhappy that Gerard Sutton didn't get dropped. It is up to the NRL to enforce it's own standards of accountability on their officials and they have failed. They deserve condemnation. But I also have to say... I can't stand too many more days of outrage!
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 6:49 pm
Kent and Ikin just gave a huge serve to Greenberg for "demoting" Sutton to the Warriors game. And want people to tweet #Fixthegameup... rather than #Talkthegameup
What an absolutely horrific decision for them to make, I can get being ‘dropped’ from an origin, or to NSW cup, but how on earth do you get dropped within the same comp!!! They can literally never say their is no bias or priority within the comp with a penalty like this! It’s simply mind boggling!
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 7:54 pm
I have to say, I was pretty unhappy that Gerard Sutton didn't get dropped. It is up to the NRL to enforce it's own standards of accountability on their officials and they have failed. They deserve condemnation. But I also have to say... I can't stand too many more days of outrage!
#nepotism
#jobsfortheboys
Honestly, Archer and Bernard Sutton need to be sacked. Their positions are untenable. Greenberg needs to man up. If he doesn't these muppets will help define his legacy. It is line in the sand time Todd....unless you want to move on with your mates.
Green eyed Mick wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 7:20 pm
I agree with Tallis' comments today. Coaches have to stop trying to game the system before they can complain about the quality of the refs.
Stuff coaches, what about fans? Especially if we don't much like our coaches?
BJ wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 11:52 am
Is their an NRL stats site with the individual penalty details listed for each game?
Preferably with scores at the time, and penalty awarded to, and the time of the penalty.
I kept a manual list a few years ago, and once the Raiders had a lead of 10 points or more, we were 8 times more likely to concede a penalty than receive one. It returned to even after we were behind on the score board again.
A casino would have an investigation if their stats had results like this under certain scenarios where it should be 50%.
You can get it from going through each games timeline on nrl.com, painful though
Referee Gavin Reynolds and touch judge Ricky MacFarlane were dropped for the errors in the Raiders' controversial 28-24 loss, while State of Origin whistleblower Gerard Sutton has been assigned to a lower-profile match.
It's a genuine credit to the product of RL that it's not gone the way of Rugby Union given how it's administered. Lesser codes would be dead with this level of incompetence running it for decades on end.
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 9:29 pm
Referee Gavin Reynolds and touch judge Ricky MacFarlane were dropped for the errors in the Raiders' controversial 28-24 loss, while State of Origin whistleblower Gerard Sutton has been assigned to a lower-profile match.
I’m more upset about the NRL’s lack of appropriate action to drop officials and hold them accountable than the wrong decisions. Just no proper accountability at NRL HQ, the referee who is the brother of the referees boss let off with virtually no penalty. And favourite son Patten. And then tell Warriors fans their game isn’t any good by being given Sutton. Which just confirms some teams are treated worse than others. It’s outrageous.
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 9:29 pm
Referee Gavin Reynolds and touch judge Ricky MacFarlane were dropped for the errors in the Raiders' controversial 28-24 loss, while State of Origin whistleblower Gerard Sutton has been assigned to a lower-profile match.
hrundi89 wrote: ↑July 24, 2018, 11:08 am
I don't see that we get a boatload of even-up penalties. It happens, but not with as much regularity as other clubs.
See that's the sort of thing i cant understand. What is the implication here?
Are we saying for the most part all the penalties we get are well earned and honest penalties, and we very rarely get soft penalties awarded to us in a bid to even the count up?
It is my impression that when we play well and get up on the scoreboard in the 1st half, it is quite common that the other team will have 50/50 calls go their way in the 2nd half. My impression is also that we don't get the same benefit of the doubt in 2nd halves as some other teams with regard to getting 50/50 calls our way.
Maybe it's my own bias or green goggles, but that's the "impression" I get.
I'm happy to be corrected based on stats etc.
You may remember me from such forum usernames as hrundi99 and... hrundi99.
greeneyed wrote: ↑July 25, 2018, 7:47 am
I’m more upset about the NRL’s lack of appropriate action to drop officials and hold them accountable than the wrong decisions. Just no proper accountability at NRL HQ, the referee who is the brother of the referees boss let off with virtually no penalty. And favourite son Patten. And then tell Warriors fans their game isn’t any good by being given Sutton. Which just confirms some teams are treated worse than others. It’s outrageous.
I want to say it is unbelievable GE, but it is believable. It completely backs up the theory of the haves and have nots, which i've been banging on about for ions. And just think Raiders fans, we're probably not even considered as relevant as either the Titans who the NRL is keen to see squash the Suns, and the Warriors who hold the candle for an entire country's marketplace and TV rights which does have a decent effect on the bottom line revenue!
We continue to **** about with blokes that are part of some fraternity. It's infuriating.
Don should ask Greenberg how we are ranked in their list of importance and profile.
That's the annoying thing, every club will just accept it and get on with things while the fans of half the clubs are left to stew.
I mean I can accept that certain clubs are going to get more TV spots, but when it starts to be directly influencing the football itself it's gone too far.
edwahu wrote: ↑July 25, 2018, 10:43 am
Don should ask Greenberg how we are ranked in their list of importance and profile.
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My thoughts exactly.
Cant imagine we are very far up the list in terms of "profile".
Yet another example of why this competition is not being played on a level playing field.
