Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

PhilY · Post by **PhilY** » June 24, 2018, 3:11 pm

Some of you folk are very hard to please. A chance to bolster the squad with an England rep player, who scores tries at that level, and wants to prove himself in the NRL gets bagged as not being good enough for our failing team?? Wow. On another topic, Wighton’s case is coming up soon. EDIT

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bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » June 24, 2018, 3:16 pm

It's not that he's not good enough, for me it's about where he fits at what $$ we'd have to pay?
If he comes and plays 13 and papa goes to prop is that better than buying a decent prop at the same $$? He's a current English rep so I'd assume he's in that $400k range, so would we be better off with a $400k 40 to 50min prop with papa an 80min 13? I'm not sure.

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PhilY · Post by **PhilY** » June 24, 2018, 3:51 pm

Players at that level are well capable of playing in numerous positions. I’m sure Ricky will be able to find one for him. I’d certainly prefer a proven international over an unproven prop (which is all $400k will get you). In any case, I’m not convinced on the big bopper strategy - certainly didn’t do us much good this or last year.

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Post by **100%green** » June 25, 2018, 8:21 am

PhilY wrote:Some of you folk are very hard to please. A chance to bolster the squad with an England rep player, who scores tries at that level, and wants to prove himself in the NRL gets bagged as not being good enough for our failing team?? Wow. On another topic, Wighton’s case is coming up soon. EDIT

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Yep pretty standard around here. Actually pretty standard in Australian Rugby League too be honest. There is an air of arrogance about the game and a lot of fans in this country.

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edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » June 25, 2018, 8:55 am

It's nothing to do with arrogance. I watch these players before commenting and I was the biggest cheerleader of the Whitehead signing on here. He is a decent enough player and if they do fit him in people will like him because he puts in, but for me he makes no sense as a priority to sign.

It feels like a signing they are chasing because they have a chance of actually getting him.

VictorTheViking · Post by **VictorTheViking** » June 25, 2018, 1:45 pm

Whitehead or hodgson werent that impressive to start with either when it was first said we were chasing them

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nemesis · Post by **nemesis** » June 25, 2018, 2:28 pm

VictorTheViking wrote: ↑June 25, 2018, 1:45 pm Whitehead or hodgson werent that impressive to start with either when it was first said we were chasing them

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exactly!

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » June 25, 2018, 3:07 pm

They were replacing Jarrad Kennedy and Glenn Buttriss. It was short odds they were going to be some sort of upgrade.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » June 25, 2018, 3:15 pm

100%green wrote: ↑June 25, 2018, 8:21 am
PhilY wrote:Some of you folk are very hard to please. A chance to bolster the squad with an England rep player, who scores tries at that level, and wants to prove himself in the NRL gets bagged as not being good enough for our failing team?? Wow. On another topic, Wighton’s case is coming up soon. EDIT

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Yep pretty standard around here. Actually pretty standard in Australian Rugby League too be honest. There is an air of arrogance about the game and a lot of fans in this country.

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Granted it's getting better, but this a competition where our worst halves win their POTY award. Where their best players come here and fail more often than not.
Hodgson/Whitehead/Burgess... these sort of guys are the exception, the rule is the Chris Thorman types. We're right to be skeptical of these english players making it here. It's not arrogance, it's factual history of the success rate.

Post by **dubby** » June 25, 2018, 3:45 pm

Pommie forwards have a good history, all the way back to Mal Reilly and Vince Karalius, up to Morley, Gareth Ellis, and the Burgess boys.

Pom backs like Andy Gregory, Schofield, Davies, Edwards, never really lived up to the hype.

Chris Thorman is a low blow! As bad as Jordan Turner

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Nadruku · Post by **Nadruku** » June 25, 2018, 7:52 pm

Bateman isn’t that small he’s on par with Whitehead just not as wide in the chest/shoulders

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BJ · Post by BJ » June 25, 2018, 8:06 pm

Nadruku wrote:Bateman isn’t that small he’s on par with Whitehead just not as wide in the chest/shoulders

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Nor is he as big in the Quads, Calves, biceps, lats and forearms. But I think his Spleen size is on par with Whitehead.

PhilY · Post by **PhilY** » June 25, 2018, 8:13 pm

So if I understand correctly, if a Pom with Gregory type skills came available to the Raiders as a Half, we’d knock him back?

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Post by **greeneyed** » June 25, 2018, 9:20 pm

If John Bateman wants to come he’ll be a great signing.

We do need Andy Gregory as well...

Well the Andy Gregory from 30 years ago!

PhilY · Post by **PhilY** » June 26, 2018, 7:18 am

I’d love him. He’d certainly give the refs a work out as well!!

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Post by **greeneyed** » June 26, 2018, 6:49 pm

BTW Polky saying on Twitter that Bateman and the Raiders have agreed to terms.

RTW · Post by **RTW** » June 26, 2018, 7:51 pm

greeneyed wrote:BTW Polky saying on Twitter that Bateman and the Raiders have agreed to terms.

Yeah but does his manager own a pen?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » June 26, 2018, 8:38 pm

I reckon he's coming to play 6, just a hunch.

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Bennyinthewest · Post by **Bennyinthewest** » June 26, 2018, 9:21 pm

This Bateman to 6 rumour is getting some traction!! Where has it started? Because I don’t see it

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Nadruku · Post by **Nadruku** » June 26, 2018, 10:07 pm

Seems odd why not target an actual 6 from the ESL like George Williams instead of a makeshift 6??

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edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » June 26, 2018, 10:27 pm

Bateman has never played 5/8th and has no real kicking or passing game. Whitehead would be more suited.

Lui_Bon · Post by **Lui_Bon** » June 26, 2018, 11:00 pm

edwahu wrote: ↑June 26, 2018, 10:27 pm Bateman has never played 5/8th and has no real kicking or passing game. Whitehead would be more suited.

Oh jeez this actually crossed my mind today. Please No.

Archer · Post by **Archer** » June 27, 2018, 3:53 am

You mean stick has come around to my Whitehead permantly in the halves plan. Good stuff, Smelly can do no wrong. Next step is to give him both halves slots and just play a 2nd fullback (maybe Cotric back there and promote another winger).

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » June 27, 2018, 7:21 am

Lui_Bon wrote:
edwahu wrote: ↑June 26, 2018, 10:27 pm Bateman has never played 5/8th and has no real kicking or passing game. Whitehead would be more suited.
Oh jeez this actually crossed my mind today. Please No.

I only have a hunch, based on nothing but my own fat gut

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-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » June 27, 2018, 7:28 am

bonehead wrote: ↑June 27, 2018, 7:21 am
Lui_Bon wrote:
edwahu wrote: ↑June 26, 2018, 10:27 pm Bateman has never played 5/8th and has no real kicking or passing game. Whitehead would be more suited.
Oh jeez this actually crossed my mind today. Please No.
I only have a hunch, based on nothing but my own fat gut

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Nothing wrong with a bit of winter insulation boney !!!!

yurithe1 · Post by **yurithe1** » June 27, 2018, 12:49 pm

VictorTheViking wrote: ↑June 25, 2018, 1:45 pm Whitehead or hodgson werent that impressive to start with either when it was first said we were chasing them

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I was a fan of Hodgson's when he was with Hull KR. I liked how he would go from hooker into the halves and create more opportunities for his players.

Bateman is a good back-rower, which means Sia or Papalii can move into the front row when Boyd and Jnr go. I honestly don't rate Gubb and the other options are works in progress. Knight might surprise us with more game time.

sprintman · Post by **sprintman** » June 27, 2018, 2:24 pm

Expected more from Gubb, but then he did cop a bad injury

VictorTheViking · Post by **VictorTheViking** » June 27, 2018, 3:20 pm

I wouldnt be surprised to see hodgson in the halves

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Post by **dubby** » June 27, 2018, 3:58 pm

Too much hate on Gubb. He's a depth player, nothing more. He was solid before he got injured. That's all I expected.

If anyone expected him to be Klemmer or Fifita that's your bad!

Gubb is a squad filler. Another Clay Priest, if you will.

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sprintman · Post by **sprintman** » July 4, 2018, 8:15 pm

Any word on Bateman?

bonehead · Post by **bonehead** » July 4, 2018, 10:02 pm

yeah still 2 weeks away after a knee op

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sprintman · Post by **sprintman** » July 5, 2018, 4:40 am

bonehead wrote: ↑July 4, 2018, 10:02 pm yeah still 2 weeks away after a knee op

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Wrong Bateman

-PJ- · Post by **-PJ-** » July 10, 2018, 4:20 pm

Hey is this John Bateman fella a done deal ?

RTW · Post by **RTW** » July 10, 2018, 5:04 pm

-PJ- wrote:Hey is this John Bateman fella a done deal ?

Signing has been delayed as all Englishmen are busy drinking pints and singing its coming home.

sprintman · Post by **sprintman** » July 10, 2018, 5:51 pm

RTW wrote: ↑July 10, 2018, 5:04 pm
-PJ- wrote:Hey is this John Bateman fella a done deal ?

Signing has been delayed as all Englishmen are busy drinking pints and singing its coming home.

And wrecking ambulances and IKEA stores