A new Canberra Stadium

[Billy Walker]

Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.


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I’ll tell you where there is a fair bit of space - up around Jerrabomberra wetlands. Very short walk from Kingston Foreshore, a cheap Uber from the City and fairly central. Probably not smack bang on some endangered spotted turtle swamp land but around the causeway or over near the Capital brewery. There is miles of space around there close to stuff.

[zim]

Sorry mate. You should just do what I do and only use avatars of yourself.

Yeah, it was a rookie error. You hate to see it.

The ball, your net, you know what to do.

[greeneyed]

In the Burley Griffin Plan... where was the sports stadium located?

[-TW-]

Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.


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I’ll tell you where there is a fair bit of space - up around Jerrabomberra wetlands. Very short walk from Kingston Foreshore, a cheap Uber from the City and fairly central. Probably not smack bang on some endangered spotted turtle swamp land but around the causeway or over near the Capital brewery. There is miles of space around there close to stuff.

I know where has space,.. Cooma

Build it there

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[gerg]

So dumb. The cynic in me thinks that Barr doesn't want it to be as successful as it could be. It needs to be in the city. It is such a no-brainer.

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[Billy Walker]

Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.


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I’ll tell you where there is a fair bit of space - up around Jerrabomberra wetlands. Very short walk from Kingston Foreshore, a cheap Uber from the City and fairly central. Probably not smack bang on some endangered spotted turtle swamp land but around the causeway or over near the Capital brewery. There is miles of space around there close to stuff.

I know where has space,.. Cooma

Build it there

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That’s just silly TW - Cooma is too cold!

[greeneyed]

Civic still preferred stadium option for Canberra Raiders

The Canberra Raiders believe Civic is still the best place to build a new Canberra Stadium.

"[Building at Exhibition Park] wouldn't be ideal at all. It'd be similar to Bruce - it would be too far away," Don Furner said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

[reptar]

What's here? Legless lizards?

[-TW-]

ANU north oval

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[Dr Zaius]

So we are all in agreement? Cooma?

[greeneyed]

ANU north oval

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Pretty hard to build a major stadium there... over the top of a creek... not sure about the alignment.

[Azza]

Molonglo, near the wetlands?

[BJ]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

[Matt]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

but EPIC has the tram?!?!?

[reptar]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

but EPIC has the tram?!?!?

EPIC brah!

[BJ]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

but EPIC has the tram?!?!?

A tram without the capacity to move a stadium crowd.

[Dr Zaius]

EPIC is difficult to get to from much of Canberra and Queanbeyan. Bruce would be better than EPIC. Civic would be far superior to both of them. This is deflection, so that when it is rebuilt at Bruce, the punters are satisfied that it wasn't built at EPIC rather than angry that it wasn't built in Civic.

[greeneyed]

EPIC stadium a bad idea: Opposition

The opposition says building a new stadium at Exhibition Park, instead of the city or Bruce, would make no sense and miss an opportunity to revitalise Civic.

"For a long time we've been told that one of the problems with the stadium at Bruce is that it's not in the city and it's not activating an area.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14329

[Northern Raider]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

but EPIC has the tram?!?!?

A tram without the capacity to move a stadium crowd.

Think he was being sarcastic

[BJ]

It’s either Civic or stay at Bruce. These other areas don’t resolve the existing problems of the Bruce location.

but EPIC has the tram?!?!?

A tram without the capacity to move a stadium crowd.

Think he was being sarcastic

I’m too slow.

Slower than a Tuggeranong Bus.

[Lui_Bon]

EPIC is difficult to get to from much of Canberra and Queanbeyan. Bruce would be better than EPIC. Civic would be far superior to both of them. This is deflection, so that when it is rebuilt at Bruce, the punters are satisfied that it wasn't built at EPIC rather than angry that it wasn't built in Civic.

EPIC would have been great when I lived in Watson...

Now it's just garbage.

[Sterlk]

Why does the Civic site need to be East-West? Just do this:



That's Bankwest stadium at the same zoom level. Doesn't even look like Parkes Way needs to be moved.

All that extra space closer to the roundabout could be the precinct, and the open-air CIT carpark on the other side of Coranderk St could become a parking structure. If Calvary hospital is deserving of a 5-level carpark, they could easily match or exceed that for this.

[greeneyed]

Why does the Civic site need to be East-West? Just do this:



That's Bankwest stadium at the same zoom level. Doesn't even look like Parkes Way needs to be moved.

All that extra space closer to the roundabout could be the precinct, and the open-air CIT carpark on the other side of Coranderk St could become a parking structure. If Calvary hospital is deserving of a 5-level carpark, they could easily match or exceed that for this.

Can you do it again while aligning it in the traditional north-south fashion? Ie the sidelines are east and west?

Good fields need to be aligned that way for the best spectator experience. And it seems that if it is indoor... it needs to be that way if the grass is to grow properly.

[Heisenberg]

Nicely done Sterlk. It’s a buzz even seeing that!

I’d imagine they’d want a plaza on the side you’ve placed the stadium and the actual stadium closer to Coranderk St?

[greeneyed]

If they could take over that block between London Circuit and Allara St... and close that part of Allara St... problem solved!

BTW... I’d be happy to have no roof... so long as it was a roof like Western Sydney... just add heating! Or a roof that opens and closes.

[greeneyed]

This is the issue with the site... this map view is aligned so north is at the top... west at the left. You would want your western sideline running from the top to bottom of the map.


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[Sterlk]

To be fair, the zoom on Google maps isn't the most accurate thing in the world. I just tried to do it again and somehow the stadium is like 20% bigger, which would indeed require Parkes Way to be moved.

It's not as though that's as big a deal as everybody is making out, though - you wouldn't even need to close the road. There's a giant, honking median strip in the middle:



Building a few hundred metres of road would certainly be a hell of a lot cheaper than the government repossessing the land to Allara St and demolishing a bunch of buildings.

[Sterlk]

This is the issue with the site... this map view is aligned so north is at the top... west at the left. You would want your western sideline running from the top to bottom of the map.

Yes, but you'll hard-pressed to find too many stadiums that are perfect North-South - you have to make concessions to the orientation of the site.

The way I placed the Civic stadium in the image above is roughly equivalent to the current stadium in Bruce:

[greeneyed]

This shows why my idea of building it in Commonwealth Park is the best idea... by far! Put it in the top, left corner. It doesn’t even disturb a lot of the actual manicured parkland.


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[gerg]

This shows why my idea of building it in Commonwealth Park is the best idea... by far! Put it in the top, left corner. It doesn’t even disturb a lot of the actual manicured parkland.


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There or Glebe park would be far better options than Epic or Bruce. Like I said earlier, it's a no-brainer. Imagine 20,000 spectators going into the city for pre/post-game drinks or food - would be a massive boost for local businesses and the economy. That many people moving between the public transport hub and the stadium would be great for business in that corridor.

For a govt that looks specifically at this sort of stuff (benefits to the economy) when attempting to justify the money spent on GWS, it is absurd that they would ignore it for 3 other teams that are genuine Canberra teams - and also the potential of a 4th team (A-league) who would no doubt have a stronger 'bid' position with this stadium in the city.

Epic.... I would be absolutely livid if that were to go ahead.

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[Dr Zaius]

EPIC is difficult to get to from much of Canberra and Queanbeyan. Bruce would be better than EPIC. Civic would be far superior to both of them. This is deflection, so that when it is rebuilt at Bruce, the punters are satisfied that it wasn't built at EPIC rather than angry that it wasn't built in Civic.

EPIC would have been great when I lived in Watson...

Now it's just garbage.

EPIC was epic. Now it's Meh-pic

[The Nickman]

EPIC is difficult to get to from much of Canberra and Queanbeyan. Bruce would be better than EPIC. Civic would be far superior to both of them. This is deflection, so that when it is rebuilt at Bruce, the punters are satisfied that it wasn't built at EPIC rather than angry that it wasn't built in Civic.

EPIC would have been great when I lived in Watson...

Now it's just garbage.

EPIC was epic. Now it's Meh-pic

Get off the stage!!

[Dr Zaius]

To be fair, the zoom on Google maps isn't the most accurate thing in the world. I just tried to do it again and somehow the stadium is like 20% bigger, which would indeed require Parkes Way to be moved.

It's not as though that's as big a deal as everybody is making out, though - you wouldn't even need to close the road. There's a giant, honking median strip in the middle:



Building a few hundred metres of road would certainly be a hell of a lot cheaper than the government repossessing the land to Allara St and demolishing a bunch of buildings.

Would it make enough room? If so, it really is baffling why it hasn't been proposed.

Edit: looks like it might be a metre or two short. It would need either a realignment of Parkes Way into Commonwealth Park, or a realignment of Constitution Ave

[-TW-]

Not enough room at Glebe Park

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[gerg]

Not enough room at Glebe Park

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I thought it was a bigger site than civic pool area?

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