greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 10:41 am
For a start... 25,000 is too small. It needs to be 30,000 if we are to remain a Preliminary Final venue.
Second point... why relocate the stadium from Bruce... to the far edge of Canberra! Isn’t the whole idea of relocating to bring it into the centre of the city... where there’s bars, clubs etc around?
Who cares if it’s on a tram line, when the tram line doesn’t go anywhere near where the bulk of Canberrans live?
Couldn't agree more. 30,000 is the sweet spot. Would be swayed at 27,000-28,000 as well. The benefits to the economy in the city would be substantial. If they are planning to built it at EPIC, we might as well leave it in Bruce.
This government is useless as tits on a bull. He just doesn't want to have to deal with the NCA to get Parkes way changed.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 10:41 am
For a start... 25,000 is too small. It needs to be 30,000 if we are to remain a Preliminary Final venue.
Second point... why relocate the stadium from Bruce... to the far edge of Canberra! Isn’t the whole idea of relocating to bring it into the centre of the city... where there’s bars, clubs etc around?
Who cares if it’s on a tram line, when the tram line doesn’t go anywhere near where the bulk of Canberrans live?
Absolutely agree and made a comment in the on-line article. Add to that traffic congestion and all the people in Dickson/Downer and Watson who get the **** every year when Summer Nats is held for a couple days rather than about 30 weekends.
Looking at this when they still don't have a decision on what the Feds have planned for GIO Stadium and surrounds is dumb. Unless they've had some early mail.
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The issue with the Civic Pool site is it is too small. We need a conventional alignment, football stadiums need to run north-south. They would need to build it on top of Parkes Way. It’ll be expensive, but it would be best.
Close the western end of Constitution Avenue, knock down the civic CIT and build it there, on what is currently the CIT and a dirt carpark.. Fill in civic pool and build a real CIT there. No need to mess about with Parkes Way.
The Civic Pool site is a great location, as far as being in the city and closer to public transport. However, its a terrible site, as outlined in this article. The site isn't really big enough to fit everything a stadium needs to be now. The stadium would have to run east-west, meaning the grass wont grow. Footy codes wont play on artificial - apparently. So, they are looking at alternatives.
EPIC has space. It does have public transport. It certainly allows for those travelling to games, esp from Sydney, being on the highway. Proximity to the city is probably only marginally worse that Bruce, even if it feels further away, but the route is more direct.
Lui_Bon wrote:Close the western end of Constitution Avenue, knock down the civic CIT and build it there, on what is currently the CIT and a dirt carpark.. Fill in civic pool and build a real CIT there. No need to mess about with Parkes Way.
Don’t mind that idea... but they want to run a tram down Constitution Avenue I think... plus we’ll be told Burley Griffin personally laid all the cobblestones on Constitution Avenue, so it is a critical part of his plan.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:08 am
The issue with the Civic Pool site is it is too small. We need a conventional alignment, football stadiums need to run north-south. They would need to build it on top of Parkes Way. It’ll be expensive, but it would be best.
Or find another location in Civic.
Parkes Way is Comm land, so that is a big issue.
HOWEVER... Why not do a similar 'green belt' fly over like the bridge ('orange tunnel' for those with kids ) at ANU? Im sure thats the thought RE cost or redoing Parkes Way.
Matt wrote:The Civic Pool site is a great location, as far as being in the city and closer to public transport. However, its a terrible site, as outlined in this article. The site isn't really big enough to fit everything a stadium needs to be now. The stadium would have to run east-west, meaning the grass wont grow. Footy codes wont play on artificial - apparently. So, they are looking at alternatives.
EPIC has space. It does have public transport. It certainly allows for those travelling to games, esp from Sydney, being on the highway. Proximity to the city is probably only marginally worse that Bruce, even if it feels further away, but the route is more direct.
I dont hate this Idea, but its not good either.
If we’re not getting the city location... why not leave it right where it is?
Lui_Bon wrote:Close the western end of Constitution Avenue, knock down the civic CIT and build it there, on what is currently the CIT and a dirt carpark.. Fill in civic pool and build a real CIT there. No need to mess about with Parkes Way.
Don’t mind that idea... but they want to run a tram down Constitution Avenue I think... plus we’ll be told Burley Griffin personally laid all the cobblestones on Constitution Avenue, so it is a critical part of his plan.
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yep, definitely cant alter constitution ave, and it wouldnt work on either site individually.
The thing that sucks the most about GIO is travelling to and from the city on the buses. This is what also sucks about Homebush and Townsville, and why the new stadium at Townsville is going to be so excellent. It's also what makes Brisbane and Melbourne so fantastic to go and view sporting events at, because you're already in the city and the crowd just disperses back into the city.
Canberra should be aiming for the same experience.
The Rickman wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:32 am
The thing that sucks the most about GIO is travelling to and from the city on the buses. This is what also sucks about Homebush and Townsville, and why the new stadium at Townsville is going to be so excellent. It's also what makes Brisbane and Melbourne so fantastic to go and view sporting events at, because you're already in the city and the crowd just disperses back into the city.
Canberra should be aiming for the same experience.
There is a bus hub and tram stop at Dickson now, so that would improve that situation.
The Rickman wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:32 am
The thing that sucks the most about GIO is travelling to and from the city on the buses. This is what also sucks about Homebush and Townsville, and why the new stadium at Townsville is going to be so excellent. It's also what makes Brisbane and Melbourne so fantastic to go and view sporting events at, because you're already in the city and the crowd just disperses back into the city.
Canberra should be aiming for the same experience.
There is a bus hub and tram stop at Dickson now, so that would improve that situation.
Seems you've completely missed my point, as usual.
Yep must be in the city. Having a stadium in the centre would change the whole dynamic of the city. The MCG is the perfect example. Meet in the city for food and drinks, walk to the stadium. It'd be a game changer for local bars and restaurants.
fulivai wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:41 am
Yep must be in the city. Having a stadium in the centre would change the whole dynamic of the city. The MCG is the perfect example. Meet in the city for food and drinks, walk to the stadium. It'd be a game changer for local bars and restaurants.
It really is a fantastic experience going to either the MCG OR AAMI Park due to what you've just said... I'm REALLY looking forward to Townsville next year for this very reason too!
afgtnk wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:17 am
Exhibition Park is a rubbish idea. Better off just knocking down the existing stadium and building a new one in that case
Yep. There's very little advantage in shifting from one suburban venue only to create another. If its not going to be around Civic may as well redevelop where it currently is.
Also echo others about the 25,000 capacity. Make at close to 30,000 or why bother. Its not just about hosting Raiders and Brumbies. A larger, better facility will give Canberra a legitimate shot at other sporting events like internationals (league, union, soccer etc). Parramatta Stadium has set a standard. Just replicate that.
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fulivai wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:41 am
Yep must be in the city. Having a stadium in the centre would change the whole dynamic of the city. The MCG is the perfect example. Meet in the city for food and drinks, walk to the stadium. It'd be a game changer for local bars and restaurants.
True - but if Civic is proving challenging to find space could you put it in another city centre like Woden, Gunghalin, Tuggers or Belconnen? Somewhere close to bars and restaurants etc. Woden is quit central to everywhere.
Agree Civic would be best but is there a next best option here?
I argued with him that the Gungahlin Light Rail would delay building the Civic stadium. He said it wouldn’t, but later even the ACT Sports Minister said the Light Rail build was a reason for the delay.
I said it would unlikely the new stadium be built in Civic and certainly not by 2025. He said I was wrong, he had faith in Andrew Barr delivering the stadium. Hmmm how’s that going?
But to the core point, Civic and the city centre is exactly the right place for a stadium. It would be great for this city. I strongly believe that.
Unfortunately we have a Government more focused on making city apartment developers very rich and funding projects to stay in power, not actually focused on building a great city for all Canberrans.
The Rickman wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:32 am
The thing that sucks the most about GIO is travelling to and from the city on the buses. This is what also sucks about Homebush and Townsville, and why the new stadium at Townsville is going to be so excellent. It's also what makes Brisbane and Melbourne so fantastic to go and view sporting events at, because you're already in the city and the crowd just disperses back into the city.
Canberra should be aiming for the same experience.
There is a bus hub and tram stop at Dickson now, so that would improve that situation.
Seems you've completely missed my point, as usual.
I get it, im just saying it would be better than now, even if its not as good as the ones you listed.
fulivai wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:41 am
Yep must be in the city. Having a stadium in the centre would change the whole dynamic of the city. The MCG is the perfect example. Meet in the city for food and drinks, walk to the stadium. It'd be a game changer for local bars and restaurants.
True - but if Civic is proving challenging to find space could you put it in another city centre like Woden, Gunghalin, Tuggers or Belconnen? Somewhere close to bars and restaurants etc. Woden is quit central to everywhere.
Agree Civic would be best but is there a next best option here?
BJ wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 1:16 pm
Where’s Raidersfan or his current alter ego.
I argued with him that the Gungahlin Light Rail would delay building the Civic stadium. He said it wouldn’t, but later even the ACT Sports Minister said the Light Rail build was a reason for the delay.
I said it would unlikely the new stadium be built in Civic and certainly not by 2025. He said I was wrong, he had faith in Andrew Barr delivering the stadium. Hmmm how’s that going?
But to the core point, Civic and the city centre is exactly the right place for a stadium. It would be great for this city. I strongly believe that.
Unfortunately we have a Government more focused on making city apartment developers very rich and funding projects to stay in power, not actually focused on building a great city for all Canberrans.
fulivai wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 11:41 am
Yep must be in the city. Having a stadium in the centre would change the whole dynamic of the city. The MCG is the perfect example. Meet in the city for food and drinks, walk to the stadium. It'd be a game changer for local bars and restaurants.
True - but if Civic is proving challenging to find space could you put it in another city centre like Woden, Gunghalin, Tuggers or Belconnen? Somewhere close to bars and restaurants etc. Woden is quit central to everywhere.
Agree Civic would be best but is there a next best option here?
TBF, EPIC isnt that far from Gungahlin
EPIC isn’t walking distance to a single, solitary anything! It’s in the middle of complete nothingness.
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 2:50 pm
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 2:50 pm
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
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Can we build it on top of the casino?
You need a lot more space than that. You’d need to knock down the convention centre, and a whole lot of office buildings and some apartments as well.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 2:50 pm
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
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Can we build it on top of the casino?
You need a lot more space than that. You’d need to knock down the convention centre, and a whole lot of office buildings and some apartments as well.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 2:50 pm
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
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Can we build it on top of the casino?
You need a lot more space than that. You’d need to knock down the convention centre, and a whole lot of office buildings and some apartments as well.
greeneyed wrote: ↑October 17, 2019, 2:50 pm
Let’s bite the bullet. Build it smack bang on top of Commonwealth Park. Create some more manicured gardens and ponds and stuff and a site for Floriade a bit further up, along the lake.
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Can we build it on top of the casino?
You need a lot more space than that. You’d need to knock down the convention centre, and a whole lot of office buildings and some apartments as well.
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Then that's what I'll do, smart guy.
Is that Billy Walker in your profile pic?
I have no idea what you're talking about. This is me... when I was younger.