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He coached David Campese? Seriously?

And what’s the point? Any long running coach has coached a lot of players. So what? Fair dinkum this is getting a bit ott.

Close it GE !!!!

greeneyed wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 12:12 am And what’s the point? Any long running coach has coached a lot of players. So what? Fair dinkum this is getting a bit ott.

Here's the point. Find me ONE person on that list who improved long term under Stuart's coaching
There is 50 odd blokes there, by pure luck he should have at least 5 guys who didnt deteriorate. I cant honestly find one player in that list who got better long term under Ricky Stuart.

That's **** alarming.

Any long running coach has coached as a lot of players and i bet none of them have a list of halves this long in which he didnt improve at least 5-6 of them

OTT or not, Pigman has a point.

Brett Kimmorley. Played outstanding footy under Ricky and took the sharks to a Prelim before going to the dogs. No drop off in form at all, in fact the exact opposite.

Now look at the players he has had post Kimmorley. Any coach would struggle to produce a long term half out of that lot and half the list are stop gaps for injury. I don't see any outstanding halves in the list he "stalled, ruined or regressed".

Not defending him by any means, but there's a **** load of low ceiling players in that list

Yep, I mean Parra has a much longer list by itself and we aren't much better.

Seymour and Sandow had talent but were in the Todd Carney league for discipline.

I dont think anyone can be blamed for Terry Campese coming back with an old old knee.

I can't believe how Ricky destroyed David Campese's career. Definitely a destroyer of wingers. Or is it halves? Anyway, I want to hear more about how boppa wore an onion on his belt at the time.

-TW- wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 9:34 am Not defending him by any means, but there's a **** load of low ceiling players in that list

It's a list of complete ploders.

Name ANY coach who got the best out of any of those players.

Grant Rovelli?
Josh McCrone?
Mitch Cornish?
Brett Firman?

And you include stop gap measures like Elliott Whitehead?

If anything, it's a list of poor quality halves that he coached, that in fact may dispel the theory you espouse?

And where is the list of halves you have coached Boppa? Just to compare it to the great man.

edwahu wrote:Brett Kimmorley. Played outstanding footy under Ricky and took the sharks to a Prelim before going to the dogs. No drop off in form at all, in fact the exact opposite.

Now look at the players he has had post Kimmorley. Any coach would struggle to produce a long term half out of that lot and half the list are stop gaps for injury. I don't see any outstanding halves in the list he "stalled, ruined or regressed".

Kimmorley was a test and origin rep both pre and post Stuart coaching him. Fair to say he neither regressed nor improved under Sticky's guidance. Simply maintain his high standard of play.

Outside of Kimmorley it's a cold hard truth that Stuart has never got the best out of his halves in 15 years of NRL coaching.

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"I feel sorry for Ata because I've been training him as a utility nine player and he hasn't done a lot of work in the halves with us, it's probably my fault."

What the **** Ricky! If Sezer or Austin goes down, as happened, there is NOONE that has trained there to fill in? Or Whitehead trains there over Hingano, WHO IS A HALF, and was bought AS A HALF on the outer at the Warriors.

Constantly boggled by this guy.

Northern Raider wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 9:58 am

edwahu wrote:Brett Kimmorley. Played outstanding footy under Ricky and took the sharks to a Prelim before going to the dogs. No drop off in form at all, in fact the exact opposite.

Now look at the players he has had post Kimmorley. Any coach would struggle to produce a long term half out of that lot and half the list are stop gaps for injury. I don't see any outstanding halves in the list he "stalled, ruined or regressed".

Kimmorley was a test and origin rep both pre and post Stuart coaching him. Fair to say he neither regressed nor improved under Sticky's guidance. Simply maintain his high standard of play.

Outside of Kimmorley it's a cold hard truth that Stuart has never got the best out of his halves in 15 years of NRL coaching.

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Funny that when he had a genuine established half he did get the best out of him and didn't regress his form at all.

Tell me which half post Kimmorley he did not get the best out of? I'd agree on Sezer.

edwahu wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 9:27 am Brett Kimmorley. Played outstanding footy under Ricky and took the sharks to a Prelim before going to the dogs. No drop off in form at all, in fact the exact opposite.

Now look at the players he has had post Kimmorley. Any coach would struggle to produce a long term half out of that lot and half the list are stop gaps for injury. I don't see any outstanding halves in the list he "stalled, ruined or regressed".

Agree. This list proves a dearth of talent amongst halves in the current era. Stuart obviously hasn't been able to nurture halves to the next level, but I'd suggest at least half of the coaches going around are in the same boat.

If you are blaming Stuart for the likes of Luke Phillips and Chris Flannery not being world beating halves then that is a massive stretch.

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Northern Raider wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 9:58 am

edwahu wrote:Brett Kimmorley. Played outstanding footy under Ricky and took the sharks to a Prelim before going to the dogs. No drop off in form at all, in fact the exact opposite.

Now look at the players he has had post Kimmorley. Any coach would struggle to produce a long term half out of that lot and half the list are stop gaps for injury. I don't see any outstanding halves in the list he "stalled, ruined or regressed".

Kimmorley was a test and origin rep both pre and post Stuart coaching him. Fair to say he neither regressed nor improved under Sticky's guidance. Simply maintain his high standard of play.

Outside of Kimmorley it's a cold hard truth that Stuart has never got the best out of his halves in 15 years of NRL coaching.

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Tell me which half post Kimmorley he did not get the best out of?

Here's my list:






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Not sure where I stand on this one.

I'm no fan of Ricky Stuart and it's clear he hasn't taken a young guy and made him a star, but there's a lot of guys on that list who are hardly even NRL quality.

But on the flip side, how many of these guys did he sign? That's probably more the point, if he signed many of those guys to his club, then he's a shocking scout.

I think people are slightly overreacting to Sezer having a bad game. He's shown when he's given complete control, he's a very good NRL half back. One poor game doesn't change this. If we completed better and had a better kicking game (why Jack is kicking in that position at that point in the game I'll never know), then we win that game comfortably. Story of the season, really.

I don't know what happened with Sezer yday. It's completely polar with form he started demonstrating a few weeks ago.

No super talent in that list to start with but the point is there... Ricky is killing the team, especially the halves. The tactics are just wrong, his game plan is horrid, and neither half has any ability to game manage... up by 8, should play smart and keep them down in their half yet the last tackle options were horrid, the forwards were slow into the line and gave away cheap penalties. Seriously a joke as a fan, next week the Brumbies will get the bigger crowd after that effort.

Pity he is like the Furner's and will not be going anywhere anytime soon....

I find it funny, 3 weeks it goes quiet then everyone is waiting for that loss and BANG, the threads come out.
I’m still yet to see anyone offer a actual player we can get to replace Sezer that is better.
Yeah Sezer is frustrating cause he can look like a world beater when he is on, he is just not consistent.



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Brew wrote: ↑May 14, 2018, 10:52 am I find it funny, 3 weeks it goes quiet then everyone is waiting for that loss and BANG, the threads come out.
I’m still yet to see anyone offer a actual player we can get to replace Sezer that is better.
Yeah Sezer is frustrating cause he can look like a world beater when he is on, he is just not consistent.



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Sezer? Look like a world beater?