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T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
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zim wrote: May 18, 2018, 1:23 pm
T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
What was the plan if Paulo and Boyd accepted their 500 - 600k offers? Assuming no signings we haven't heard about surely it's safe enough to say that we have at least 1m to play with?
Although that's not a lot in todays $$.
$700K - $800K for Klemmer and whoever we can get with the rest.
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Green eyed Mick wrote: May 18, 2018, 1:35 pm
zim wrote: May 18, 2018, 1:23 pm
T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
What was the plan if Paulo and Boyd accepted their 500 - 600k offers? Assuming no signings we haven't heard about surely it's safe enough to say that we have at least 1m to play with?
Although that's not a lot in todays $$.
$700K - $800K for Klemmer and whoever we can get with the rest.
Klemmer or RCG should be high on our priorities.
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T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
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T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
It's hard to see how that's possible if we lose 4 or 5 of them.
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I am so happy emptying the tank is back.... I could cry :'/
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edwahu wrote: May 18, 2018, 2:38 pm
T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
It's hard to see how that's possible if we lose 4 or 5 of them.
Agree. If we lose Austin, Paulo and Boyd we should have more than enough to recruit three replacements.

I suspect we could recruit at least 2 Super League forwards and a half for that money.
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T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
I don't see how this is possible.
Didn't we offload Baptiste to become salary cap compliant ?

So it wouldn't matter if Paulo was on $1mil and Bateman was on $10.

I thought we were under and ready to go rnd 1.

The club has stood its ground and not payed Boyd what he wanted.

Same as Paulo, and apparently he's already signed with Parra.

I'm guessing they have offered enough to Papa for him to be happy and we'll have $$$ to nab at least one middle forward with money left over..

Who that will be I have no clue. We could go Sutton who by all reports is average at best or make an offer to a Klemmer etc.

I'd like the club to show some interest in Klemmer at least. And all it takes is an offer. The media grab hold off it and we are off running.

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-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm
Didn't we offload Baptiste to become salary cap compliant ?

And then immediately replaced him with three other hookers.

Remember, the word on that street was the Canberra was working on the full $10m salary cap, and got caught out.
-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm The club has stood its ground and not payed Boyd what he wanted.

Same as Paulo, and apparently he's already signed with Parra.


Because they suddenly woke up and decided to stop paying overs, as they apparently have been doing for 20 years, or because there's simply no money in the cap to pay them?

Anyway, I have no idea and it's just a gut feeling, we'll see.
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T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:23 pm
-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm
Didn't we offload Baptiste to become salary cap compliant ?

And then immediately replaced him with three other hookers.

Remember, the word on that street was the Canberra was working on the full $10m salary cap, and got caught out.
-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm The club has stood its ground and not payed Boyd what he wanted.

Same as Paulo, and apparently he's already signed with Parra.


Because they suddenly woke up and decided to stop paying overs, as they apparently have been doing for 20 years, or because there's simply no money in the cap to pay them?

Anyway, I have no idea and it's just a gut feeling, we'll see.
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-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 5:33 pm
T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:23 pm
-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm
Didn't we offload Baptiste to become salary cap compliant ?

And then immediately replaced him with three other hookers.

Remember, the word on that street was the Canberra was working on the full $10m salary cap, and got caught out.
-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm The club has stood its ground and not payed Boyd what he wanted.

Same as Paulo, and apparently he's already signed with Parra.


Because they suddenly woke up and decided to stop paying overs, as they apparently have been doing for 20 years, or because there's simply no money in the cap to pay them?

Anyway, I have no idea and it's just a gut feeling, we'll see.
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-PJ- wrote: May 18, 2018, 4:11 pm
T_R wrote: May 18, 2018, 12:28 pm You know, I'm not so convinced we're going to have a huge pile of money lying around after losing these guys.

I have a suspicion that our salary cap position is much worse than we have been told.
I don't see how this is possible.
Didn't we offload Baptiste to become salary cap compliant ?
It would depend on how the other contracts are loaded PJ. I reckon the likes of Havili and Cotric would be in for substantial increases on their 2018 money in 2019. If there were other contracts that were back loaded then that would also have a cap impact.

As for players we should be looking for a mobile prop and a half with a consistent kicking game imo.

Given our fading away at the back end of matches we need to change our training routine imo. We also need a defensive coach who can get more linespeed out of our players (linked to higher fitness levels) and who can teach technical skills such as locking up the football in tackles.
The basics of a straight line on kick chase also needs to be re-learned.
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We offered Boyd and Paulo contracts. We have at least what we offered and they didn't take. Anything that eats into that portion from now is all new spending, not backended.
There's more too with our (550k?) offer to Sezer and reduced (similar?) offer to Austin. While those guys haven't signed those deals that money is there to be used.
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Someone in the squad has to be soaking up the cap! Appreciate Wighton is on marquee $ but there must be others as well who are on overs. The risk is we use the cash set aside for paulo and boyd to retain the others. But I honestly can't see that happening. I think the club is approaching this the right way. There are clubs in serious trouble cap wise in manly and the dogs. Para would also be keen to make changes. Who knows who will fall out from that. Look at the knights last year. Couldn't sign anyone and then all of a sudden quality players were falling out of the woodwork
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Someone in the squad has to be soaking up the cap! Appreciate Wighton is on marquee $ but there must be others as well who are on overs. The risk is we use the cash set aside for paulo and boyd to retain the others. But I honestly can't see that happening. I think the club is approaching this the right way. There are clubs in serious trouble cap wise in manly and the dogs. Para would also be keen to make changes. Who knows who will fall out from that. Look at the knights last year. Couldn't sign anyone and then all of a sudden quality players were falling out of the woodwork
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FROG wrote: May 19, 2018, 4:33 am Someone in the squad has to be soaking up the cap! Appreciate Wighton is on marquee $ but there must be others as well who are on overs. The risk is we use the cash set aside for paulo and boyd to retain the others. But I honestly can't see that happening. I think the club is approaching this the right way. There are clubs in serious trouble cap wise in manly and the dogs. Para would also be keen to make changes. Who knows who will fall out from that. Look at the knights last year. Couldn't sign anyone and then all of a sudden quality players were falling out of the woodwork
We should be prepared for others leaving once their current contracts are up. I mean the certain current players who are getting overpaid. A vast majority of this squad should be looking at reduced offers based on current form.
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Empty the tank indeed.

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I dont think anybody understands the inner workings of the cap. The blokes paid to do it at clubs **** it up all the time so your average punter with no access to any actual data has nfi.

But question. Manly were in deep strife with their cap, apparently needing to offload players. Then all of a sudden they sign Hodgkinson mid season. Sure he wouldn't be on huge money but **** me, how does that work?
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gergreg wrote: May 19, 2018, 8:18 am I dont think anybody understands the inner workings of the cap. The blokes paid to do it at clubs **** it up all the time so your average punter with no access to any actual data has nfi.

But question. Manly were in deep strife with their cap, apparently needing to offload players. Then all of a sudden they sign Hodgkinson mid season. Sure he wouldn't be on huge money but **** me, how does that work?
At a 'guess' they only have to pay the remainder of his salary for this season, so not a full years worth. They have released someone to England (Lussick?) and either retired or received insuarancr payout for another injured forward, so the balance of both of those contracts if available to cover the Hodko payment.

There is also potential for him to be in minimum this year with the balance of contract backended to next year once they release Tapou to Canberra😁
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gergreg wrote: May 19, 2018, 8:18 am I dont think anybody understands the inner workings of the cap. The blokes paid to do it at clubs **** it up all the time so your average punter with no access to any actual data has nfi.

But question. Manly were in deep strife with their cap, apparently needing to offload players. Then all of a sudden they sign Hodgkinson mid season. Sure he wouldn't be on huge money but **** me, how does that work?
At a 'guess' they only have to pay the remainder of his salary for this season, so not a full years worth. They have released someone to England (Lussick?) and either retired or received insuarance payout for another injured forward, so the balance of both of those contracts if available to cover the Hodko payment.

There is also potential for him to be on minimum this year with the balance of contract backended to next year once they release Tapou to Canberra😁
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Plus if you play crap enough you free up the space you left to account for rep bonuses. I assume that’s the Raiders strategy.
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The cap is a beast. A fluid, constant changing beast with constant variables.

As Greg said, we've no idea.

I do concur with TR, though. Don budgeted for $10 mill. It came out significantly less.

Now, we don't know what's going to happen with Jack. That affects who we can potentially sign.

Then we have Ned and Havilii who will expect upgrades.

Bateman got upgraded too, I bet. Not much, but it's still more.

Plus we've got what....14 players off contract this year? Each wanting more?



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Ok just had a look, most off contract players are depth.

Sia, Papalii, Sezer, Paulo, Havilii, Lui, Austin off this year. I expect to lose Paulo, unsure about Austin (he's had no real publicised interest from ANYONE), confident about the rest staying.

Gubb has an option in clubs favour for next year.
Hingano an option in his favour for next year

Then there's Oldfield, Garvey, and a bunch of depth players who haven't played NRL.
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Curreny Salary estimates on the above?

Havili and Lui $180k each
Paulo $500k
Sezer $550k
Austin $550k
Sia $600k
Papa $750k

I think Lui would stay for $220k 2 years
Havili $250k 3 years
Sezer $600k 3 years
Papalii $800k (just give him 4 years Don)

Austin knocked back $700k, so we know where the club stood, and they won't return that offer. If he stays, it's for less. Maybe $600k?

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No one here has any idea what players are earning..ever.
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dubby wrote: May 19, 2018, 2:35 pm Curreny Salary estimates on the above?

Havili and Lui $180k each
Paulo $500k
Sezer $550k
Austin $550k
Sia $600k
Papa $750k

I think Lui would stay for $220k 2 years
Havili $250k 3 years
Sezer $600k 3 years
Papalii $800k (just give him 4 years Don)

Austin knocked back $700k, so we know where the club stood, and they won't return that offer. If he stays, it's for less. Maybe $600k?

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That's high for Sia. I would've thought he was on more like 300k since its his original contract still. He has probably earnt an upgrade.
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No way do you upgrade Havali, regardless of how good he has been. In 6 weeks he is a back up hooker who is going to give you 20minutes per week off the bench. If another club wants to come in and offer him more then the minimum let him walk. Hodgson once fit is ( in 2019) is an 80 minute player if we need him to be.
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I upgrade Havili
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Even if Hodgo is an 80 minute player, Havilli is still worth a couple of hundred K as a backup hooker.
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edwahu wrote:Even if Hodgo is an 80 minute player, Havilli is still worth a couple of hundred K as a backup hooker.

Not in a team that manages their salary cap well.
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edwahu wrote:Even if Hodgo is an 80 minute player, Havilli is still worth a couple of hundred K as a backup hooker.

Not in a team that manages their salary cap well.
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I thought i remember reading an article around the time the cap figure came in at 9.4 that the club, had projected higher than that, but not as high as some clubs like the Bulldogs who penned in 10m... I have a feeling there was a quoted figure of 9.7m

I cant seem to find it at the moment, but ill try and dig it up.
but this:
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Furner said were talking about one player to get cap compliant, which ended up being Baptiste. We then signed like other players on probably much lower deals, so it's hard to imagine the club had budgeted for 10 mil and only had to release Baptiste to get under. Unless we had Baptiste on 800k a year (that'd be -800k + $200k for Garvey/Havili if they are Min wage)

9.7ish makes way more sense give the moves we made to be compliant.
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RTW wrote:
edwahu wrote:Even if Hodgo is an 80 minute player, Havilli is still worth a couple of hundred K as a backup hooker.

Not in a team that manages their salary cap well.
You don’t think 200k for a great hooker with back row coverage, playing 30-40 mins a week isn’t good value? Ok sure...


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RTW wrote: May 19, 2018, 5:06 pm
edwahu wrote:Even if Hodgo is an 80 minute player, Havilli is still worth a couple of hundred K as a backup hooker.

Not in a team that manages their salary cap well.
So you want backup hookers on minimum wage only? Who do you have in mind?
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