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I have no concern with losing Boyd for a few reasons.

I wish the lad good luck. They would have thrown the cheque book at him, and with the impending change to the interchange role, a bloke like that will not get the huge offers again. Gotta make the most of it.

Also. He was awesome in 2016. We shouldn't pay money in 2019 for what he did back then.

Good luck fella.
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See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

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dubby wrote:See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
He played before I was even born.

That is sporting millennia ago.

F1 drivers used to wear leather caps, polo shirts and be slightly tubby.

Times change.

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Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:37 pm
dubby wrote:See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
He played before I was even born.

That is sporting millennia ago.

F1 drivers used to wear leather caps, polo shirts and be slightly tubby.

Times change.

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Ok, so by your logic drivers who were fast years ago wouldn't be fast today because their clothes were different.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

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Well no.. cause they're dead
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dubby wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:39 pm
Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:37 pm
dubby wrote:See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
He played before I was even born.

That is sporting millennia ago.

F1 drivers used to wear leather caps, polo shirts and be slightly tubby.

Times change.

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Ok, so by your logic drivers who were fast years ago wouldn't be fast today because their clothes were different.
No I don't think that's his logic. His logic is "times change".

If you had a time machine and grabbed Fangio and brought him back no he wouldn't be able to just get in and drive today's cars, without intense training and a different fitness/wellbeing regime. The same could be said for Beetson.

They may both be able to get there eventually, however, based on their natural talent.
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dubby wrote:
Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:37 pm
dubby wrote:See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
He played before I was even born.

That is sporting millennia ago.

F1 drivers used to wear leather caps, polo shirts and be slightly tubby.

Times change.

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Ok, so by your logic drivers who were fast years ago wouldn't be fast today because their clothes were different.
They didnt need to be athletes back then. Look up 5 time world champ Fangio. Portly bald old mate when he was racing.

Compare him to Seb Vettel. One is super fit, the other is basically suburban dad.

Current drivers train extensively, have to handle G-force and huge heat / dehydration. Bentley drivers in the 1940s used to drink champagne and cognac during pitstops.

The greats back then would be woeful today. Same with pretty much every other sport.

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Sorry just echoed all over the place.

What Hrundi89 said!!

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You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

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dubby wrote:You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
You teleport SVG and Whincup back in time to race Brabham and Hill and Moss they would clean up.

The modern guys are just better. They're smarter fitter faster

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Just said that myself.... tried to. Bloody echo chamber!!!


And that's my point re: big men today. They'll need training.... endurance training, rather than power based play.

All this talk of "big man not required" is a fallacy and over simplification.

They'll be there. They'll do what they've always done. It's up to coaches to develop the right training programmes.
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Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:58 pm
dubby wrote:You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
You teleport SVG and Whincup back in time to race Brabham and Hill and Moss they would clean up.

The modern guys are just better. They're smarter fitter faster

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Going to agree to disagree mate. I think no matter what era, if you've got the talent you can make it work.
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Back to Rugby League...

The pinnacle of one era is the baseline entry point of the next. Tactics and techniques rolled out by leading NRL teams in 2018 will be ubiquitous at club level in a few short years.

Future stars learn their trade in ever more sophisticated junior systems.

It's evolution.... oh wait... **** back to the religion thread.

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dubby wrote: May 15, 2018, 4:00 pm
Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:58 pm
dubby wrote:You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
You teleport SVG and Whincup back in time to race Brabham and Hill and Moss they would clean up.

The modern guys are just better. They're smarter fitter faster

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Going to agree to disagree mate. I think no matter what era, if you've got the talent you can make it work.
I agree that it helps but it is a totally different athletic and system/intelligence proposition. Have you looked at an F1 steering wheel lately? F1 drivers are usually highly intelligent as they need to be aware of an infinitely more complex range of information than yesteryear, and process it in a minute amount of time. It certainly wasn't easy in those days, as the safety was non-existent and you had to be either very brave or have a death wish.

Also, Supercar drivers have similar training regimes. A lot of them do triathlons regularly for example. The cars get plus 50 degrees inside on a sunny day. They aren't F1 level but they are close. Courtney was a test driver for Jaguar in F1.
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Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:58 pm
dubby wrote:You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
You teleport SVG and Whincup back in time to race Brabham and Hill and Moss they would clean up.

The modern guys are just better. They're smarter fitter faster

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...if they didn't **** themselves at the total lack of safety for drivers back then. :)
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On a side note I wish Boyd all the best on his cash grab. But how many players have gone to the Titans and improved their game not many if any.
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Surely the Knights will be after Boyd now that they lost out on Wallace.
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Manchild wrote:Surely the Knights will be after Boyd now that they lost out on Wallace.
they are confident on glasby and ah mau

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Northern Raider wrote:
Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:58 pm
dubby wrote:You cannot say that.

Yes, drivers are fitter etc because they have to be. The cars are faster, so more is required. I'm positive that you put a youngJack Brabham in a v8 supercar, with his natural talent and ability, he'd be successful.
You teleport SVG and Whincup back in time to race Brabham and Hill and Moss they would clean up.

The modern guys are just better. They're smarter fitter faster

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...if they didn't **** themselves at the total lack of safety for drivers back then. :)
I reckon that thought might worm into Whincups head, but SVG is a fearless ****. The drift pigs he's had over the years are sans-safety.

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bonehead wrote: May 15, 2018, 6:50 pm
Manchild wrote:Surely the Knights will be after Boyd now that they lost out on Wallace.
they are confident on glasby and ah mau

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Glasby just re-signed with the Storm.
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edwahu wrote:
bonehead wrote: May 15, 2018, 6:50 pm
Manchild wrote:Surely the Knights will be after Boyd now that they lost out on Wallace.
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Glasby just re-signed with the Storm.
wow just wow

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Now I cant find the story...maybe I imagined it.
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Either you or the Herald have it badly wrong

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5402 ... xt-season/
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sprintman wrote: May 15, 2018, 8:42 pm Either you or the Herald have it badly wrong

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5402 ... xt-season/
I must've misread a headline. Toohey doesn't get it wrong much.
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At least we're not tying up money in Tim Glasby.
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I hope the Titans snag Boyd. They can tie up all their cash in the front row and it then becomes a 15 team comp.

There is a room in the game for big men, as long as you never drop the football, you don't give away cheap penalties and your halves have an A+ grade kicking game, so you dominate possession and field position.

Unfortunately we don't do any of that stuff.
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dubby wrote: May 15, 2018, 3:35 pm See, I wonder if the likes of Arthur Beetson fit into this way of thinking.
Artie would have found a way Dubs. If the likes of Andrew Fifita with his body shape can do it, I have no doubt at all that Artie could do it. He was the target of high shots, shoulder charges and Xmas holds and he would still slip the ball away to a support player.

I think there are players who look fabulous on the trainers stat sheet for cardio work, bench presses and use of the well named dumb bells. Then there are players who only need to be challenged on match day for them to outperform those on the stat sheet. Not that I am comparing skill levels but players like Artie and Tallis and possibly our own Havili seem to be in that bracket.
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Glenn Lazarus was a huge man, rotund and burly, completely wrong body shape, but he was incredibly fit, mobile and had great endurance.

Good example : Fifita.
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Dubby, literally NO ONE has said that big men are not able to play RL, or have no place. I have no idea why you think that's what's being said

Paul Vaughan is not a small gentleman. Taumalolo is a giant human. Jesse Bromwich dwarfs most players on the park.
Literally no one is saying they have no place.

Boyd's problem isnt that he's big, it's that he's got slow foot speed, lacks a consistant motor and is sluggish laterally. As i said previously, big men aren't going away, but the Boyd's of the RL are, not because he's big, but because he's not mobile and agile enough to hang in today's game with the ruck speed. That's going to be exacerbated again if the interchanges come down again to 6. It's going to mean big guys playing longer minutes and being more tired, so that ruck speed and lateral agility is going to be a big problem

According to player profiles:

Lolo: 191cm, 117kgs
Boyd: 194cm, 122kgs
RC-G: 193cm, 115kgs
Klemer: 198cm, 116kgs
Fifita: 194cm, 116kgs
Bromwich: 194kgs, 114kgs

One of those dudes can not play like the others.
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dubby wrote: May 16, 2018, 8:50 am Glenn Lazarus was a huge man, rotund and burly, completely wrong body shape, but he was incredibly fit, mobile and had great endurance.

Good example : Fifita.
Yeah there are and will always be freak athletes. From what I recall Webke used to play some big minutes too but I hate the Broncos so I may be wrong there.
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Zero Tackle warning but:
https://www.zerotackle.com/just-in-tita ... ard-33129/

Will announce signing with the Titans at 2pm. Four year contract. Reported 2.4 million.
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