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LastRaider wrote:Yep good move. Now let’s get after Taupau or Klemmer


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Got no issue with this. I'd they talbled a decent 3 year deal and he said no then so be it.

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Gold Coast is a career limiting move for most players. I hope Boyd bucks the trend.

He is never going to be a star out of Canberra because our halves poor game management and rubbish kicking game make size a liability more than an asset.
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Who knew country lads like money too.

I hope Mulholland didn't really spend monday trawling the market for props and we have a plan B that will be announced pretty quickly.
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Shannon Boyd had the opportunity to show he could be a consistent starting prop on Sunday afternoon. Unfortunately he didn't. And I can see why the club is putting a firm parameter around the value of the contract offer.
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I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
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Pigman wrote:I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
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Spot on Pigman. Don’t overpay for props, pay them what you think they are worth and hold firm.

Clubs generally run into cap trouble by investing too much cap outside the spine.
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That's the over side of it, there is a split on the forum about who's worse out of Sezer and Austin, but the reality is neither have lived up to their promise. And upgrades at both positions are probably required if we actually want to win a comp

and as ive said, i dont think there is a half in the league who could play for this coach. He's had near 50 of them and they've all regressed. The priority for me is to ensure we are in a good position cap wise to sink money into the positions that matter. Hooker we're fine at, but any of the other spine positions could be upgraded. We need to position ourselves to be the next Knights, where we plunge into the Pongas/Pearce style recruitment and build around that.

Paying Shannon Boyd 700k a year is a short cut to a pretty ordinary football team. To get that sort of money i'd be wanting to have a front rower of Paul Vaugh... never mind.
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Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
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Pigman wrote:I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
First time in a long time i agree with you lol

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Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
I cant believe we lost Paul Vaughan and DIDN'T end up with Boyd.

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T_R wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
I cant believe we lost Paul Vaughan and DIDN'T end up with Boyd.

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Better yet, we lost Paul Vaughan to invest in Boyd AND Paulo
and 2 years later wont have ANY of them on the books... haha absolute fiasco.
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ah well at least we have Charlie Gubb!
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Pigman wrote:I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
I’ll let Don and Ricky know, they will sleep well tonight knowing they have your approval.


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Brew wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:49 pm
Pigman wrote:I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
I’ll let Don and Ricky know, they will sleep well tonight knowing they have your approval.


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Pigman wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:28 pm
T_R wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
I cant believe we lost Paul Vaughan and DIDN'T end up with Boyd.

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Better yet, we lost Paul Vaughan to invest in Boyd AND Paulo
and 2 years later wont have ANY of them on the books... haha absolute fiasco.

Um, we don't have them because they've been offered much more elsewhere. All for around $650 -$700k per season.

Which was your point, wasn't it?

Sure, Vaughan was allegedly let go because he was had off field issues, but again he's earning about $650k per year BEFORE he plays SOO.

You just enjoy being polemic.
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Oh dubby. You poor simple fool.
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Pigman wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:28 pm
T_R wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
I cant believe we lost Paul Vaughan and DIDN'T end up with Boyd.

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Better yet, we lost Paul Vaughan to invest in Boyd AND Paulo
and 2 years later wont have ANY of them on the books... haha absolute fiasco.
It is an absolute debacle.
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Ivan Cleary was on NRL360 tonight. He was asked about how long it takes to rebuild a club - he left unsaid the obvious point that a new coach is usually brought in to address whatever it was the previous coach hadn't. He said it took at least three years, but there was none of that stuff about how long it takes for a coach to get the roster he wants and therefore owns; instead, he said two more interesting things. The first was that sometimes you might have to let go players who are club favourites, simply because they aren't the blokes who are going to win you the grand final. The second was that you might come in and then sign some new blokes, but they too might not be the blokes who would win you the grand final, they might be really valuable but they are actually just there to put you on the road to winning the grand final.

Does any of that remind you of a few people? To me, I'm thinking Fensom and Croker and Wighton. Then I'm thinking Boyd and Paulo and Austin and Sezar. And Bateman too. Maybe we shouldn't think three years is enough.

Now does anyone think Ricky Stuart subscribes to the same blueprint?
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I don’t think Ricky has a blueprint from what I can see.

I mean there’s barely a coherent strategy in a given game. Why expect a long term strategy?
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I guess it was rhetorical... but thanks for the confirmation
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Paulo and Boyd are getting way too much for their minutes. Let them go cause I'd be pissed if the club paid stupid amounts to keep them.

As for Vaughn... no idea why this keeps coming up. He's a talent for sure and I'd love to see him here again. But he wasn't going to reach the level he is now here. He was the class clown in the team and needed the change in my opinion.

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Pigman wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:28 pm
T_R wrote: May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:Yeah, I can't believe we lost Paul Vaughan and we ended up with Boyd.
I cant believe we lost Paul Vaughan and DIDN'T end up with Boyd.

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Better yet, we lost Paul Vaughan to invest in Boyd AND Paulo
and 2 years later wont have ANY of them on the books... haha absolute fiasco.
I've never been a big Shannon Boyd fan and I understand there may have been a bit of off field stuff with Vaughan, but it still **** me that's the way it worked out.

We'd be a completely different club right now if our best juniors like Carney, Milford, Dugan and Vaughan were committed to the Raiders and had their heads screwed on.

Oh well.
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Good on the club for sticking solid on this one.

Made an offer, player turns it down, bye bye player.

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Lui_Bon wrote: May 14, 2018, 10:39 pm Ivan Cleary was on NRL360 tonight. He was asked about how long it takes to rebuild a club - he left unsaid the obvious point that a new coach is usually brought in to address whatever it was the previous coach hadn't. He said it took at least three years, but there was none of that stuff about how long it takes for a coach to get the roster he wants and therefore owns; instead, he said two more interesting things. The first was that sometimes you might have to let go players who are club favourites, simply because they aren't the blokes who are going to win you the grand final. The second was that you might come in and then sign some new blokes, but they too might not be the blokes who would win you the grand final, they might be really valuable but they are actually just there to put you on the road to winning the grand final.

Does any of that remind you of a few people? To me, I'm thinking Fensom and Croker and Wighton. Then I'm thinking Boyd and Paulo and Austin and Sezar. And Bateman too. Maybe we shouldn't think three years is enough.

Now does anyone think Ricky Stuart subscribes to the same blueprint?
Doesn't work for Cleary either. He hasn't won a comp.
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A new coach at the Raiders would come in with one of the best back rows in the league, two very capable hookers and probably the best wing pairing in the game.

He would also come in with a side that is poor; defensively, in game management and is mentally fragile.

With the League looking to go to 6 interchanges the likes of Boyd, who currently struggles to turn out 40 minutes of quality football, are numbered. I think with a different training regime he could be playing longer minutes but that isn't going to happen at the Raiders. It doesn't mean the end of the Big Men in League it just means the likes of Fifita who are big and can play longer quality minutes will be in even more demand. If Shannon Boyd can get the Titans to pay him $650K for the current output, I'd tell him to take it.
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I agree with pigman and Red Raider above.

Shannon Boyd just gets left on the ground too much in the ruck. He has great post contact metres and it's beautiful to watch, but unless he's making over 10 hitups and 120+metres a game (out of his 40mins) then what is the point?

8 hitups for 81 metres on the weekend... It's just all to common for a bloke that is a liability in defence.
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Boydy is great in full flight but in the defensive line he waddles around like me after 10 beers and a gutful of nuggets.

It's not a game for the big boppers anymore.

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Pigman wrote: May 14, 2018, 7:37 pm I am 100% on board with this as long as we are consistant and dont panic
It is perfectly reasonable and acceptable if our front row isnt as good as it could be because we didnt match outrageous offers. If we suffer because of that, fine, because long term that's how to correctly build the roster.
You evaluate a player, you give him a deal you think fits his level of play, you pay for what you are going to get, not what his manager tells you you're getting... long term, that's the way to do

What wont be acceptable is if we lose Boyd only to get desperate and over pay an average middle to replace him simply because we are desperate and have a need... if we have 600k in cap left over this time next year, so be it, maybe someone shakes free that we like.

Just stick firmly to these principles and im fine with losing guys for outrageous offers
I'll have one of those as well.
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Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 11:04 am Boydy is great in full flight but in the defensive line he waddles around like me after 10 beers and a gutful of nuggets.

It's not a game for the big boppers anymore.

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See I disagree. There's room for big guys. People can't see the forest for the trees.
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Teams have a game plan to run us around, lots of offloads and 2nd phase.. and it works

A pack of big units is outdated, and will only get worse if interchanges are cut
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gangrenous wrote: May 14, 2018, 10:41 pm I don’t think Ricky has a blueprint from what I can see.

I mean there’s barely a coherent strategy in a given game. Why expect a long term strategy?
In 5 years I’ve seen 5 strategies/plans on game day that Stuart has implemented.

They are:

1: Kick it to Inglis and let Allwood tackle him out of the game :clap:
2: Stick our biggest prop at 5/8 :shock:
3: Stick our best half at hooker for the majority of the match :nooo
4: Play 15/16 men up against 17 :hmmm
5: Let the inmates run the asylum and hope for the best :thumbsup
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dubby wrote: May 15, 2018, 1:24 pm
Sossman wrote: May 15, 2018, 11:04 am Boydy is great in full flight but in the defensive line he waddles around like me after 10 beers and a gutful of nuggets.

It's not a game for the big boppers anymore.

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See I disagree. There's room for big guys. People can't see the forest for the trees.
As I heard recently on a podcast, the forest is made up of the trees! There wouldn’t be a forest if it wasn’t for the trees. A forest is in fact just a collection of trees
So sometimes it’s worth looking at the damn trees!

Of course there is room for big men in RL. It’s not different to people years ago bemoaning the loss of the little man
They just have to have the athletic abilities and skill set that are required for today’s game

You can be as big as you like, as long as you have natural and efficient gait, as long as you are extremely mobile and agile, and have some balls skills

There is no room for Mark Tookey/Martin Lang in this league. Slow, lumbering, one dimensional players aren’t useful, and so they aren’t a part of the game anymore
And it’s better for it.
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