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Junior Paulo hasn't told us of his plans: Canberra Raiders captain Jarrod Croker

Canberra Raiders captain Jarrod Croker said prop Junior Paulo is a part of the team until the man himself tells him otherwise despite mounting speculation he is bound for the Parramatta Eels for 2019.

"Until Junior makes a decision he'll tell us straight away what's he's going to do," Croker said. "As far as I'm concerned he's a Raider and there's not much else I can do or say until I know any different."

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The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 11:40 am
edwahu wrote:Guys, you're forgetting the word on the forum back in 2016. Vaughan was released because he was supposedly actually crap and had the slowest play the ball in the NRL, despite been our best player for 3 years.
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greeneyed wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 11:40 am
edwahu wrote:Guys, you're forgetting the word on the forum back in 2016. Vaughan was released because he was supposedly actually crap and had the slowest play the ball in the NRL, despite been our best player for 3 years.
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scotchberry wrote:
El_Capitano wrote: April 19, 2018, 12:21 pm Ok confession time, although it’s the unpopular opinion...
I rate Junior and I wish we weren’t losing him!
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I think everyone is in the same boat as you - no one wants to loose him and hoped he extended.

However rightly so people are happy to let him walk instead of paying the price of what Parra are.
No! You are the one who... oh you agree ok!
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zim wrote: April 19, 2018, 1:15 pm Thinking Vaughan was still playing his best footy in his last year with us is just ridiculous. You saw his best footy during his first year at the dragons and it was far better than his last year with us.
His performance and stats were down because he wasnt being played long minutes. He's a 60 minute, dominant SOO contending middle who was being asked to play as a fringe first grader for 20-30 minutes a game here and there between wasting his career away at Mounties... And his output wasnt as strong as when he was given the role and minutes he deserved? IMAGINE FOR ONE **** MOMENT, MY GOD DAMN **** SURPRISE! :lol:
Unbelievable.

The FACT is his per minute output, even in his "down year" (when he was treated like a **** leper by an idiot coach who didnt realise how quickly teams would just adjust and run our 2x 120kg monsters around the park and tire their fat arses out) his per minute production in most games still left both Paulo and Boyd in his wake. And on the rare occasion the coach was forced to play him long minutes, he was a dominant middle who's performances were right in line with what he delivered for us in 2015, and which was trending to what he did in 2017... again, another stunning twist... 23 year old middle forward gets better as he ages into his mid 20's

HOW COULD WE HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING?!?! Haha. **** me rigid boys, guess we just got unlucky! We're so unlucky!

AND lets remember this. NO ONE heard a damn thing about his off the field issues until it was WELL established that Stuart wanted him out and he had already been unceremoniously dumped for two 120kg monsters who cant play together. I would argue STRONGLY that had we evaluated this situation correctly at the time, and made Paul Vaughan (a Gungahlin Bulls junior ****) THE building block of our pack, along with Papalii, there is every chance he doesnt become disillusioned with the club and perhaps never gets the point of NGAF that necessitated his departure.

We had Luke Bateman and Clay Priest playing ahead of him, give me strength.
Imagine that, you're paul vaughan and your coach values those two idiots over you? I'd give up and go Scarface too.
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Canberra Milk wrote: April 19, 2018, 10:54 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 19, 2018, 10:19 am The Vaughan incident shows what is wrong with this club. Elite player in his position but is rushed out the backdoor due to off field dramas. Then you get somebody like Wighton, a battler in every sense. Yet, because he is great mates with the Coach, the club stands by him through what are some pretty terrible allegations.
Mark Gasnier talked yesterday about the Jackson Hastings incident, that you're expected to "toe the line" at any club. I think most coaches have shown they will forgive off-field dramas if the player is toeing the line with the "work-related stuff": trainings, culture, off-field contributions etc.

For whatever reason, Stuart must have thought Vaughan wasn't toeing the line in some sense (rumours have been vague and I suspect any off field stuff was pretty minor). But he must see Wighton's stuff as separate, one-off, that he's otherwise disciplined with the "work-related" activities.
Vaughan's departure was just very odd all round. Most consistent prop we'd had since Davico through his first couple of years here, so disappointing to now see him killing it at the Dragons. The lack of rope given to him compared to other under performers was bizarre.
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Sossman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 11:40 am
edwahu wrote:Guys, you're forgetting the word on the forum back in 2016. Vaughan was released because he was supposedly actually crap and had the slowest play the ball in the NRL, despite been our best player for 3 years.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 19, 2018, 2:51 pm
Canberra Milk wrote: April 19, 2018, 10:54 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 19, 2018, 10:19 am The Vaughan incident shows what is wrong with this club. Elite player in his position but is rushed out the backdoor due to off field dramas. Then you get somebody like Wighton, a battler in every sense. Yet, because he is great mates with the Coach, the club stands by him through what are some pretty terrible allegations.
Mark Gasnier talked yesterday about the Jackson Hastings incident, that you're expected to "toe the line" at any club. I think most coaches have shown they will forgive off-field dramas if the player is toeing the line with the "work-related stuff": trainings, culture, off-field contributions etc.

For whatever reason, Stuart must have thought Vaughan wasn't toeing the line in some sense (rumours have been vague and I suspect any off field stuff was pretty minor). But he must see Wighton's stuff as separate, one-off, that he's otherwise disciplined with the "work-related" activities.
Vaughan's departure was just very odd all round. Most consistent prop we'd had since Davico through his first couple of years here, so disappointing to now see him killing it at the Dragons. The lack of rope given to him compared to other under performers was bizarre.
And that really is the elephant in the room. The way we treat local juniors - Sam Williams to leave, and resign with us again this season is my tip - it really was baffling that he was just quietly allowed to walk out the back door.

There had to be a serious behind the scenes issue going on that it was a battle adjudged not worth fighting.
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Isnt there a 10 day cooling off period on these contracts???

Im sure he will tell the boys closer to that time or even after the game on Saturday
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reptar wrote:
Sossman wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 11:40 am
edwahu wrote:Guys, you're forgetting the word on the forum back in 2016. Vaughan was released because he was supposedly actually crap and had the slowest play the ball in the NRL, despite been our best player for 3 years.
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PerthRaider86 wrote: April 19, 2018, 3:20 pm Isnt there a 10 day cooling off period on these contracts???

Im sure he will tell the boys closer to that time or even after the game on Saturday
That's gone under the new CBA as I recall.
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I'm somewhere in the middle on Vaughan, he wasnt playing his best footy towards the end of his last season here, but was easily better than Mounties quality. And was easily one of our best 3 props on any given day.

When you look back on the situation at the time, we had Boyd (soon to be Aussie rep, and due for a performance related pay rise), Paulo (about to enter the first year of a full salary year, and destined for Origin) and Vaughan (exceptional in general, but 'SLIGHTY' off the boil, obviously had some issues with Sticky, had some off field disciplinary issues, and was being offered a big money deal at the Dragons).

If we had thrown $600k at Vaughan to keep him, that would be at least 1.6 mill a year on 3 Props, which would have been overs for the position at the time.

We also had what at the time was a fairly average wage backline that were absolutely killing it, with 2 potential Aussie rep centres, and Rapana being winger of the year, all would have been justifiably chasing a pay rise.

In hindsight everyone mentioned above played liek a busted **** in 2017, and Vaughan started killing it at the dragons, so its very easy to point the finger at that being a wrong decision.

But at the time, Vaughan and Fenno were the most expendable, and while the change of scenery and a reality check have been great for Vaughan, I can understand why those decisions were made.

In hindsight I would love to have kept Vaughan as well, obviously, but I can see why he was released.
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We didn't need to throw 600k at Vaughan to keep him, he was on contract for 300k for another year and probably would've extended for another deal at way less than 600k. In fact we paid 150k for his first year at the Dragons. That was the extra maddening thing about it.

I also agree there are definitely some players who seem to get the absolute minimal chances before getting dropped. I don't know if Ricky picks them on sufferance in the first place but it seems that way. Barnett was another who was dropped forever after missing a tackle in his second game. Hunt is another and it wouldn't suprise me if Knight ends up the same.
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Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
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The Nickman wrote:Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
Yep i am sure it was all based on form nothing to do with anything else lol



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Pigman wrote: April 19, 2018, 2:42 pm
zim wrote: April 19, 2018, 1:15 pm Thinking Vaughan was still playing his best footy in his last year with us is just ridiculous. You saw his best footy during his first year at the dragons and it was far better than his last year with us.
His performance and stats were down because he wasnt being played long minutes. He's a 60 minute, dominant SOO contending middle who was being asked to play as a fringe first grader for 20-30 minutes a game here and there between wasting his career away at Mounties... And his output wasnt as strong as when he was given the role and minutes he deserved? IMAGINE FOR ONE **** MOMENT, MY GOD DAMN **** SURPRISE! :lol:
Unbelievable.

The FACT is his per minute output, even in his "down year" (when he was treated like a **** leper by an idiot coach who didnt realise how quickly teams would just adjust and run our 2x 120kg monsters around the park and tire their fat arses out) his per minute production in most games still left both Paulo and Boyd in his wake. And on the rare occasion the coach was forced to play him long minutes, he was a dominant middle who's performances were right in line with what he delivered for us in 2015, and which was trending to what he did in 2017... again, another stunning twist... 23 year old middle forward gets better as he ages into his mid 20's

HOW COULD WE HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING?!?! Haha. **** me rigid boys, guess we just got unlucky! We're so unlucky!

AND lets remember this. NO ONE heard a damn thing about his off the field issues until it was WELL established that Stuart wanted him out and he had already been unceremoniously dumped for two 120kg monsters who cant play together. I would argue STRONGLY that had we evaluated this situation correctly at the time, and made Paul Vaughan (a Gungahlin Bulls junior ****) THE building block of our pack, along with Papalii, there is every chance he doesnt become disillusioned with the club and perhaps never gets the point of NGAF that necessitated his departure.

We had Luke Bateman and Clay Priest playing ahead of him, give me strength.
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cat wrote: April 19, 2018, 4:17 pm
The Nickman wrote:Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
I have no idea what I'm talking about, but i am sure it was all based on form nothing to do with anything else lol



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Pigman wrote: April 19, 2018, 2:42 pm
zim wrote: April 19, 2018, 1:15 pm Thinking Vaughan was still playing his best footy in his last year with us is just ridiculous. You saw his best footy during his first year at the dragons and it was far better than his last year with us.
His performance and stats were down because he wasnt being played long minutes. He's a 60 minute, dominant SOO contending middle who was being asked to play as a fringe first grader for 20-30 minutes a game here and there between wasting his career away at Mounties... And his output wasnt as strong as when he was given the role and minutes he deserved? IMAGINE FOR ONE **** MOMENT, MY GOD DAMN **** SURPRISE! :lol:
Unbelievable.

The FACT is his per minute output, even in his "down year" (when he was treated like a **** leper by an idiot coach who didnt realise how quickly teams would just adjust and run our 2x 120kg monsters around the park and tire their fat arses out) his per minute production in most games still left both Paulo and Boyd in his wake. And on the rare occasion the coach was forced to play him long minutes, he was a dominant middle who's performances were right in line with what he delivered for us in 2015, and which was trending to what he did in 2017... again, another stunning twist... 23 year old middle forward gets better as he ages into his mid 20's

HOW COULD WE HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING?!?! Haha. **** me rigid boys, guess we just got unlucky! We're so unlucky!

AND lets remember this. NO ONE heard a damn thing about his off the field issues until it was WELL established that Stuart wanted him out and he had already been unceremoniously dumped for two 120kg monsters who cant play together. I would argue STRONGLY that had we evaluated this situation correctly at the time, and made Paul Vaughan (a Gungahlin Bulls junior ****) THE building block of our pack, along with Papalii, there is every chance he doesnt become disillusioned with the club and perhaps never gets the point of NGAF that necessitated his departure.

We had Luke Bateman and Clay Priest playing ahead of him, give me strength.
Imagine that, you're paul vaughan and your coach values those two idiots over you? I'd give up and go Scarface too.
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Still not convinced tbh
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I’m not taking sides in the debate one way or another, I know what happened though and I wasn’t impressed. Same goes for wighton although I’m much less in the know on this one.


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Matt wrote: April 19, 2018, 4:21 pm
Pigman wrote: April 19, 2018, 2:42 pm
zim wrote: April 19, 2018, 1:15 pm Thinking Vaughan was still playing his best footy in his last year with us is just ridiculous. You saw his best footy during his first year at the dragons and it was far better than his last year with us.
His performance and stats were down because he wasnt being played long minutes. He's a 60 minute, dominant SOO contending middle who was being asked to play as a fringe first grader for 20-30 minutes a game here and there between wasting his career away at Mounties... And his output wasnt as strong as when he was given the role and minutes he deserved? IMAGINE FOR ONE **** MOMENT, MY GOD DAMN **** SURPRISE! :lol:
Unbelievable.

The FACT is his per minute output, even in his "down year" (when he was treated like a **** leper by an idiot coach who didnt realise how quickly teams would just adjust and run our 2x 120kg monsters around the park and tire their fat arses out) his per minute production in most games still left both Paulo and Boyd in his wake. And on the rare occasion the coach was forced to play him long minutes, he was a dominant middle who's performances were right in line with what he delivered for us in 2015, and which was trending to what he did in 2017... again, another stunning twist... 23 year old middle forward gets better as he ages into his mid 20's

HOW COULD WE HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING?!?! Haha. **** me rigid boys, guess we just got unlucky! We're so unlucky!

AND lets remember this. NO ONE heard a damn thing about his off the field issues until it was WELL established that Stuart wanted him out and he had already been unceremoniously dumped for two 120kg monsters who cant play together. I would argue STRONGLY that had we evaluated this situation correctly at the time, and made Paul Vaughan (a Gungahlin Bulls junior ****) THE building block of our pack, along with Papalii, there is every chance he doesnt become disillusioned with the club and perhaps never gets the point of NGAF that necessitated his departure.

We had Luke Bateman and Clay Priest playing ahead of him, give me strength.
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At the end of the day we let Vaughan go 4 Paulo and Barnett 4 Bateman backwards steps from where we stand but no one's accountable like always correct me if I'm wrong.
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BigPapa wrote:At the end of the day we let Vaughan go 4 Paulo and Barnett 4 Bateman backwards steps from where we stand but no one's accountable like always correct me if I'm wrong.
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reptar wrote: April 19, 2018, 6:23 pm
BigPapa wrote:At the end of the day we let Vaughan go 4 Paulo and Barnett 4 Bateman backwards steps from where we stand but no one's accountable like always correct me if I'm wrong.
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El_Capitano wrote: April 19, 2018, 12:21 pm Ok confession time, although it’s the unpopular opinion...
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The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 4:05 pm Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
The word on the street was that Barnett had absolutely no intention under any circumstances on spending a minute longer in Canberra than he had to.

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If he was playing regular first grade in a semi decent team would the story be different?

I know he's from Taree, but still
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I think he only wanted to bolt after he got dropped. He tried to get out of his deal after that so he could go to the Titans.

I don't think he is that great a loss to be honest, he seems to be getting concussed and giving away penalties everytime I watch him. It was still a harsh dropping imo.
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The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 4:05 pm Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
the three players i expressed real issues about the way we handled them was PV, TPJ and Barnett.
And now this is where we are. All hideous mis-evuluations by our club

Vaughan was the building block of the pack
TPJ was way better than the dudes being played over him, as was Barnett. It was clear to beer bums like me and others, why did our club whiff??
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Re: Paulo to Parramatta Eels in 2019

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Cause they wanted to dump all our cash into a massive mercenary

Those 3 would be perfectly suited to where the game is headed, with more mobile forwards having more success
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Re: Paulo to Parramatta Eels in 2019

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T_R wrote: April 19, 2018, 8:19 pm
The Nickman wrote: April 19, 2018, 4:05 pm Yeah, Barnett was another real strange one. I thought he looked ultra-impressive in his couple of games for us and NEL MINUTE... dropped to oblivion for Bateman, who never impressed me half as much.
The word on the street was that Barnett had absolutely no intention under any circumstances on spending a minute longer in Canberra than he had to.

I'm no fan of our management, but I'm not holding that one against him.
That's very fair... until you understand context

He was very INTO this club up until the point he debut for the club, performed strongly at the end of Furner's era, and then rolled into the following season under our idiot coach and was persona non grata.
He was one of our best performing players in his firs 2 games and was absolutely ignored, despite being better than the idiots promoted ahead of him, like TPG, like Vaughan
This is a 10 year industry. You cant waste time on a club or coach who doesnt believe in your talent and ability

Like others, WE, THIS COACHING STAFF, fostered that situation. We created it, and now we lie in the bed we **** made.

Enough. Stop it.

Again, like Vaughan, like TPG, NOT revisionist history. Its on this board. People knew their talent and supported their desire for a club who believed in them. Our loss, their gain.
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Re: Paulo to Parramatta Eels in 2019

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Barnett may have been one of our best few performers with the ball when he played for Canberra Raiders, but he was clearly our worst in the defensive structure.

I think anyone can see he is very good ball runner and a very committed player who puts in a lot of effort. But whilst his defence has improved at the Knights, he still makes some glaring errors in defence. Particularly rushing out of the line to put a good hit on, but getting it wrong too often and allowing a line break for the opposition.

A Knights game I watched last year saw him heavily involved in the two tries Newcastle scored, but also making bad reads or missed tackles in the 4 or 5 tries the Knights let in.

Actually maybe that tells me he’s the perfect Raiders player . Sign him up.
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