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dubby wrote:
-TW- wrote: April 13, 2018, 7:22 pm He will need to evolve his game if interchanges end up being cut to 6

He would need to be able to play 50-60 straight before being worth even close to that
I don't agree.

For years the game had 2 replacements and props played 80 minutes. The likes of Brent Todd and Sam Backo!

The game will slow down with less replacements, which is the whole idea. To bring back attrition, to offset the rampaging plethora of big guys rubbing the skilful guys out of the game.

He'll go to Parra, we'll get Glasby. :nooo
I'm not actually sure what your point is there

Are you saying paying $800k for a guy who plays 40 mins is value for money?
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It's 600k, not 800k. Whether it's good value depends on his performance, plenty of good middles who only do around those minutes.
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Canberra Milk wrote: April 14, 2018, 11:21 am
dubby wrote: April 14, 2018, 8:05 am
-TW- wrote: April 13, 2018, 7:22 pm He will need to evolve his game if interchanges end up being cut to 6

He would need to be able to play 50-60 straight before being worth even close to that
I don't agree.

For years the game had 2 replacements and props played 80 minutes. The likes of Brent Todd and Sam Backo!

The game will slow down with less replacements, which is the whole idea. To bring back attrition, to offset the rampaging plethora of big guys rubbing the skilful guys out of the game.

He'll go to Parra, we'll get Glasby. :nooo
Lol, agree. And we will pay Glasby significant overs. That would be the most Raiders thing to happen.
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If we lose Paulo I think we’d be ok.

8. Papalii
10. Boyd
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Soliola

15. Knight
16. Gubb
17. Hunt

Guler, Going , plus another solid $250K style middle

Put Paulo’s $$ to a half


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Dusty wrote: April 14, 2018, 2:16 pm If we lose Paulo I think we’d be ok.

8. Papalii
10. Boyd
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Soliola

15. Knight
16. Gubb
17. Hunt

Guler, Going , plus another solid $250K style middle

Put Paulo’s $$ to a half


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Don't forget Lui and Bateman. We've got ok depth if Papa plays in the middle and we don't cop any injuries on the edge.
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Nah Timmy.
I'm saying I think Paulo is capable of playing longer minutes if trained and prepared properly. Our Samoan boys went on a feeding frenzy last year and are still looking for form and fitness as a result.

I like Paulo. He's a quality player. Not worth over $600k though.
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Lose Paulo... Give some of his money to Papalii if he deserves it, and the rest to an Austin replacement

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Anyone who says he wasn’t deserving of the medal last year and saying Cotric was instead, didn’t watch much footy last year. Paulo was dominant for us in the first half of the season. And it was frustrating when he was playing that halfback style some of the time when it was clear what he was capable of. People prob forget because if the way the season ended I suspect.

Cotric did some flashy things from time to time, and was great. But not the same thing as being our best player. Rapana played better than him. Props to Cotric for playing as he did at his age and in his first year, but really rose coloured glasses to get MMM from that.

Paulo not playing anywhere near as well this year which is disappointing.


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Rapana was clearly our best last year and shouldve won the medal essily.
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I dunno Ed. Rapa does some silly things. Flipping the bird for example
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After tonight's game. Straight swap for Clint Gutherson.
Papalii was great in the middle

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Potentially great prop, but with a loser mentality on and off the park.

Would fit in a Warriors jersey well. All the ability in the world but only goes in half arsed until he feels like it.

C'ya champ. Thanks for the good 3 months of footy a few years back.
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people are being harsh here. Paulo has been mostly good for us. Was our best forward last year by miles.

he has flaws like he gets too fancy (a lot of that is on coaches order and why sticky signed him in the first place) and is at times lazy in defence especially when he has played big minutes but im happy with what we have got from him. his weight gain at the world cup was disappointing but he wasn't alone there. all three of them came back fatter than they left

of course he's not worth 800k a year. thats big money for a prop when we are so weak in other positions. if parra are crazy enough to offer him a contract that big then what can you do.
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He had a really good game last night, but he’s still capable of being a stupid idiot in the last ten minutes of games. Case in point: last night we defend set after set on our line with ten to go and Bateman gets sin-binned. We hold the eels out after (IMO) a dodgy obstruction try gets disallowed, and as we’re rucking the ball out of our own end he throws his riskiest offload in the match, resulting in the eels getting the ball straight back.

And he has a history of doing this in the closing stages of matches, and it HAS cost us the games on several occasions. Just looks so much better when he tucks it under his arm and goes forward, and seems to forget that in the last ten minutes for whatever reason.
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The Nickman wrote: April 15, 2018, 8:09 am He had a really good game last night, but he’s still capable of being a stupid idiot in the last ten minutes of games. Case in point: last night we defend set after set on our line with ten to go and Bateman gets sin-binned. We hold the eels out after (IMO) a dodgy obstruction try gets disallowed, and as we’re rucking the ball out of our own end he throws his riskiest offload in the match, resulting in the eels getting the ball straight back.

And he has a history of doing this in the closing stages of matches, and it HAS cost us the games on several occasions. Just looks so much better when he tucks it under his arm and goes forward, and seems to forget that in the last ten minutes for whatever reason.
I agree with this. Paulo does offer value to any side when on song however his decision making under fatigue is highly questionable. At $600K plus we have to let him walk.

Plus Papalii has found a home in the middle, I still hope we re-sign him.
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I wouldn't swap Junior Paulo for any prop in the game.

Must keep, imo.
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Seiffert82 wrote: April 15, 2018, 1:18 am Potentially great prop, but with a loser mentality on and off the park.

Would fit in a Warriors jersey well. All the ability in the world but only goes in half arsed until he feels like it.

C'ya champ. Thanks for the good 3 months of footy a few years back.
Hate to break it to you but the Warriors are 5-1. Or was there another undertone to your comment?
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 15, 2018, 10:46 am
Seiffert82 wrote: April 15, 2018, 1:18 am Potentially great prop, but with a loser mentality on and off the park.

Would fit in a Warriors jersey well. All the ability in the world but only goes in half arsed until he feels like it.

C'ya champ. Thanks for the good 3 months of footy a few years back.
Hate to break it to you but the Warriors are 5-1. Or was there another undertone to your comment?
The Warriors are the most hot and cold team in the history of the NRL and are the biggest underachievers in the comp since their arrival, by an absolute mile. Paulo is the same. Could be the best prop in the game, but half the time he ruins his game by throwing ridiculous passes or he runs so half arsed it may as well be Bateman hitting it up.

They are running hot now. Let's see how the year pans out.

As far as Paulo goes, he's as frustrating to watch as anyone I've seen. He's certainly not a leader. The Eels would be nuts to pay such a person that much money.
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Parra will because they think he will fix their problems (he won’t)
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Seiffert82 wrote: April 15, 2018, 11:01 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 15, 2018, 10:46 am
Seiffert82 wrote: April 15, 2018, 1:18 am Potentially great prop, but with a loser mentality on and off the park.

Would fit in a Warriors jersey well. All the ability in the world but only goes in half arsed until he feels like it.

C'ya champ. Thanks for the good 3 months of footy a few years back.
Hate to break it to you but the Warriors are 5-1. Or was there another undertone to your comment?
The Warriors are the most hot and cold team in the history of the NRL and are the biggest underachievers in the comp since their arrival, by an absolute mile. Paulo is the same. Could be the best prop in the game, but half the time he ruins his game by throwing ridiculous passes or he runs so half arsed it may as well be Bateman hitting it up.

They are running hot now. Let's see how the year pans out.

As far as Paulo goes, he's as frustrating to watch as anyone I've seen. He's certainly not a leader. The Eels would be nuts to pay such a person that much money.
Even at his hottest I don't rate Paulo in the upper echelon of forwards in the game. His style of play would have been great in the 90s.

They are certainly playing from in front though. So frustrating to think we absolutely should be 4-2.
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Paulo is a good prop and he has been a good player for us but that is top of the props money. If Eels/Sharks want to pay that much then let them.
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What are we paying him?


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El_Capitano wrote: April 15, 2018, 2:07 pm What are we paying him?


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Roger Kenworthy wrote: April 15, 2018, 11:06 amSo frustrating to think we absolutely should be 4-2.
We really should be 5-1
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Sleek the Elite wrote: April 15, 2018, 10:33 am I wouldn't swap Junior Paulo for any prop in the game.

Must keep, imo.
Really? The guy we let walk to the Dragons for Jnr is better for starters.
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I keep getting told Paulo is currently on $550k
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nacho wrote:I keep getting told Paulo is currently on $550k
Ok so an extra $125000 per yr.


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WOW!

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I'd rather use spend that money getting Vaughan back if we have to spend it in a prop

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VictorTheViking wrote: April 15, 2018, 5:05 pm I'd rather use spend that money getting Vaughan back if we have to spend it in a prop

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So who do we spend our money on and who is a realistic option?

Junior Paulo set to head to Parramatta Eels on four year deal worth over $600,000 a season

The under-performing Eels are preparing for a cleanout at the end of the season after paying massive ‘overs’ to sign Raiders prop Junior Paulo for 2019.

Paulo, a Kiwi who began his career at the Eels, is all but done on a four-year deal worth over $600,000 a season - money his current club Canberra simply couldn’t match.

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When there's this much noise, it normally means that they are out the door.
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T_R wrote: April 17, 2018, 10:14 am When there's this much noise, it normally means that they are out the door.
There's been "this much noise" for a long time now, and it's been pretty clear to me for almost a year that he just doesn't want to be in Canberra anymore.
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Look, here's my thoughts - if we can get Glasby on the cheap I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be.

Boyd remains our #1 prop. I've seen enough of Gubb at Auckland to know he's an above-average prospect so he's #2.

Can we then look at moving Papalli into the middle full time? As he gets older, he's getting bigger and I think it could work - think Sia this year. That just leaves guys like Glasby, Knight and Lui as our 4th through 6th stringers, which all things considered isn't bad.
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It will free up cash to sign Corey Norman.

Just need to check with the NRL if profits made from shops in Fyshwick selling his sex tape are salary cap exempt.
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