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Sure, but they also decided to at least partially tank two of those seasons and ended up with Ponga and a bunch of other signings we would dream about as a result. They are on the rise with a much better squad next year than us and at least the potential to have sustained success.

We just meander along with the long term trend been awful.

Maybe I’m misinterpreting but are you saying they intentionally tanked 2 seasons so they could get guys like Ponga, Pearce, SKD and Guerra four years later?

I seriously doubt anybody here accept 3 wooden spoons to get a “squad on the rise” and maybe a finals spot in year 5.

Since Wayne has been back at the Broncos' he has finished;
2015 - 2nd (GF)
2016 - 5th
2017 - 3rd
2018 - I didn't have them in my 8 at the start of the year, don't know about everyone else. They have a heap of holes in their roster, the biggest being no halfback. It would however, be fairly ground braking for Bennett to miss the finals with the broncos, something he has never done before.

Roster wise, they haven't been in the top 2 teams in the comp since he has been back. I have no idea why the fascination with bagging Bennett is.. I just don't see the failure that others do.

I meant 2016 when Brown imo at least partially chose to go with picking a bunch of kids and basically stripped the squad back to nothing so they could then enter the player market for top end talent the following years.

They also have Ramien, Glasby and possibly Williams from Wigan coming next year. Plus they picked up other handy players like Moga and Ese Ese. We haven't signed a single regular NRL first grader in the same period.

I mean 3 spoons would be a kick in the balls but given we don't have a draft maybe it would be worth it if it allowed us back into the player market.

Ed, that takes me back to the original comment. It’s all the result of the mess Bennett left. We’re talking worse case scenario and that is definitely the worse case IMO. I most definitely do not want to go through what Knights fans have since Bennett joined them. Even with their outlook of maybe making the finals again in 2019.

edwahu wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 11:06 am I meant 2016 when Brown imo at least partially chose to go with picking a bunch of kids and basically stripped the squad back to nothing so they could then enter the player market for top end talent the following years.

They also have Ramien, Glasby and possibly Williams from Wigan coming next year. Plus they picked up other handy players like Moga and Ese Ese. We haven't signed a single regular NRL first grader in the same period.

I mean 3 spoons would be a kick in the balls but given we don't have a draft maybe it would be worth it if it allowed us back into the player market.

It’s a fair point. Knights fans are actually hopeful that they’ll challenge in the next few years, and they may well do just that.

We’re just on the 7th-11th roundabout like we have been for the last two decades.

Timbo wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 2:12 pm

edwahu wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 11:06 am I meant 2016 when Brown imo at least partially chose to go with picking a bunch of kids and basically stripped the squad back to nothing so they could then enter the player market for top end talent the following years.

They also have Ramien, Glasby and possibly Williams from Wigan coming next year. Plus they picked up other handy players like Moga and Ese Ese. We haven't signed a single regular NRL first grader in the same period.

I mean 3 spoons would be a kick in the balls but given we don't have a draft maybe it would be worth it if it allowed us back into the player market.

It’s a fair point. Knights fans are actually hopeful that they’ll challenge in the next few years, and they may well do just that.

We’re just on the 7th-11th roundabout like we have been for the last two decades.

We were all very hopeful going into 2017 too. This was on the back of a 2nd Place finish on the ladder. Going into this year many pundits had Eels and Cowboys in the top 4 and their fans were very hopeful too. Things don’t always pan out the way people expect. Knight fans have been living in hope of somethig better for many years now. Does any Raiders fan really want to go through what they have so we can experience more “hope”?

Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 2:36 pm

Timbo wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 2:12 pm

edwahu wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 11:06 am I meant 2016 when Brown imo at least partially chose to go with picking a bunch of kids and basically stripped the squad back to nothing so they could then enter the player market for top end talent the following years.

They also have Ramien, Glasby and possibly Williams from Wigan coming next year. Plus they picked up other handy players like Moga and Ese Ese. We haven't signed a single regular NRL first grader in the same period.

I mean 3 spoons would be a kick in the balls but given we don't have a draft maybe it would be worth it if it allowed us back into the player market.

It’s a fair point. Knights fans are actually hopeful that they’ll challenge in the next few years, and they may well do just that.

We’re just on the 7th-11th roundabout like we have been for the last two decades.

We were all very hopeful going into 2017 too. This was on the back of a 2nd Place finish on the ladder. Going into this year many pundits had Eels and Cowboys in the top 4 and their fans were very hopeful too. Things don’t always pan out the way people expect. Knight fans have been living in hope of somethig better for many years now. Does any Raiders fan really want to go through what they have so we can experience more “hope”?

Not really, but I’ve never seen a sporting team accumulate so much mental scarring in such a short period of time... blow it all up.

Plenty of dead wood on overs money to take aim at

We could finish the year with 7 straight loses.

Must work on our errors.
Must work on our discipline.

Cmon Ricky..whip em.

-PJ- wrote:We could finish the year with 7 straight loses.

Must work on our errors.
Must work on our discipline.

Cmon Ricky..whip em.

I think they should all grow beautiful beards. Then we can have achieved something this year

All I know is my cash out option on my $100 invested in the Raiders to win the spoon has come back alive again and offering me $30 cashout. First time it's given me a figure in almost 3 months.

Thanks Ricky.

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I think we'll avoid the spoon on for and against but I can't see us avoiding finishing equal last on competition points.

Edit. Don't know what ladder I was looking at. It's highly unlikely we'll finish last but two points off last place is looking likely.

The Eels aren't winning 2/3 considering they have Melbourne, Cowboys and the Roosters

That plus their F/A means they need to win all 3

Theres a bigger chance the Knights will come last then us

Is Ricky still here!?!

Coastalraider wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 6:16 pm Is Ricky still here!?!

About to sign an extension. With all the speculation around other coach movements since Griffin got sacked the board have got on the front foot to make sure nobody poaches him.

Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 7:36 am

Coastalraider wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 6:16 pm Is Ricky still here!?!

About to sign an extension. With all the speculation around other coach movements since Griffin got sacked the board have got on the front foot to make sure nobody poaches him.

As sad as this is, you are more than likely right on the money.

Kennel wrote: ↑August 13, 2018, 8:48 am How many more years of suffering with putting up with a lame coach ?
I’m sick of his excuses - now Ricky blames not having Hodgson earlier this year, and now without Wighton.
But what about 2017 , we had ALL our stars on deck for the majority of matches !
And it was the same results as this year, we lost all those close matches last year, so many by a couple of points ! This year nothing has changed !
Second half fades all through 2017 and now again 2018. This is the fault of the coach ! He has no idea how to motivate a team a half time !
We have a great player roster, so it all comes down to the coach !
All those years of Furner as coach, and now it’s all the same with Stuart.
Maybe we’ll get a REAL coach in Wayne Bennett ? That would certainaly boost player confidence because in Stuart there is ZERO !

Nice comments.. I do agree that Ricky does make a lot of excuses. I believe Ricky is great with the players. He is on their side, they love playing for him, he always protects them and he is expert on building a roster.

We have a history under Ricky of being a dumb football team. a lot of stupid things from the players and its happened all season long and last year too. Perhaps Hodgson needs to be captain and spread his influence more amongst the team. We need a winning mentality and we need brains.

I dont know if a new coach could do better than Ricky, however I would say that the roster we have is GROSSLY under performing when they finish 10th. Take one look at Souths and see the difference a new coach has made, or look at Melbourne's longevity or Bennett's win record. Then take a look at Ricky and he's winning percentage throughout his career. He has a habit of building good rosters and then not achieving results.

I believe the Raiders should give him one more season. Assuming we aren't decimated with injuries, we need to go deep into the finals. Anything less and the Raiders are clearly accepting mediocrity within the club.

Good luck Rick! You are a great man, I hope you will prove to be a great coach.

dlevien wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:16 amI believe Ricky is great with the players. He is on their side, they love playing for him, he always protects them and he is expert on building a roster.

That's quite an interesting perspective. I would suggest that turnover and lack of recruitment this year would indicate otherwise.

What are you basing this on?

T_R wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:44 am

dlevien wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:16 amI believe Ricky is great with the players. He is on their side, they love playing for him, he always protects them and he is expert on building a roster.

That's quite an interesting perspective. I would suggest that turnover and lack of recruitment this year would indicate otherwise.

What are you basing this on?

Of course they love playing for him.

He's the equivalent of a boss who lets you roll in at 11am with a hangover then take a long lunch.

T_R wrote:

dlevien wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:16 amI believe Ricky is great with the players. He is on their side, they love playing for him, he always protects them and he is expert on building a roster.

That's quite an interesting perspective. I would suggest that turnover and lack of recruitment this year would indicate otherwise.

What are you basing this on?

I'd say this is the case in Sticky's early tenure. It then goes downhill. History would indicate that Sticky jumps the shark after 3 years.

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Timbo wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 11:05 am

T_R wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:44 am

dlevien wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 10:16 amI believe Ricky is great with the players. He is on their side, they love playing for him, he always protects them and he is expert on building a roster.

That's quite an interesting perspective. I would suggest that turnover and lack of recruitment this year would indicate otherwise.

What are you basing this on?

Of course they love playing for him.

He's the equivalent of a boss who lets you roll in at 11am with a hangover then take a long lunch.

Bang on.

Some of the best jobs I have had didn't challenge me at all, some of the 'worst' bosses to work for challenged me to grow.

I used to work in motorsports, and the most enjoyable teams I worked in had no chance of winning, so there was no pressure to win. Some of the most stressful, high pressure environments was working 15 hour days to get the 1%ers right, because that was the difference between the podium and also rans. Which ones did I have more fun at?? easy - the slow teams. Which teams had more success - the ones that pushed you way outside of your comfort zone.

Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

This is **** infuriating. This show is starting to feel very familiar to the 2013 Furner days, around about the infamous "30 losses" quote.

I had this crazy dream where myself and a few mates were out scrub 4wding and we came across Ricky Stuart bogged down to the axels with no recovery gear and desperate for help..

I said to him " are you picking Austin, Paulo and Boyd tomorrow?"
And he said yes..

I kept driving...

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

-PJ- wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 3:31 pm I had this crazy dream where myself and a few mates were out scrub 4wding and we came across Ricky Stuart bogged down to the axels with no recovery gear and desperate for help..

I said to him " are you picking Austin, Paulo and Boyd tomorrow?"
And he said yes..

I kept driving...

Should've rammed him deeper into the mire

Leebola wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 4:51 pm

-PJ- wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 3:31 pm I had this crazy dream where myself and a few mates were out scrub 4wding and we came across Ricky Stuart bogged down to the axels with no recovery gear and desperate for help..

I said to him " are you picking Austin, Paulo and Boyd tomorrow?"
And he said yes..

I kept driving...

Should've rammed him deeper into the mire

He probably had a perfectly good winch but refused to use it the stubborn bastard.

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

It is because Don and Hawkins have the safest jobs in the ACT. Those demonstrably incompetent imbeciles have never had their appointments or retention questioned despite ****ing everything they touch.

Green eyed Mick wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 4:56 pm

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

It is because Don and Hawkins have the safest jobs in the ACT. Those demonstrably incompetent imbeciles have never had their appointments or retention questioned despite ****ing everything they touch.

To be fair, Hawkins seems like a pretty good operator. He doesn't really have anything to do with the NRL side of things.

edwahu wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 5:05 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 4:56 pm

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

It is because Don and Hawkins have the safest jobs in the ACT. Those demonstrably incompetent imbeciles have never had their appointments or retention questioned despite ****ing everything they touch.

To be fair, Hawkins seems like a pretty good operator. He doesn't really have anything to do with the NRL side of things.

It's hard to be critical of Don and Sticky after years of failure while letting the guy who hires and retains them off the hook.

That's the Raiders board... though the board is appointed by the owners... and I don't think Simon Hawkins is picking the board members somehow.

Raider47 wrote:Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

Another 2 years of this **** and no doubt in 2020 we will scrape into the 8 and Ricky will get a 3 year extension.


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greeneyed wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 6:03 pm That's the Raiders board... though the board is appointed by the owners... and I don't think Simon Hawkins is picking the board members somehow.

I guess without seeing the board minutes it would be impossible to know but I find the reality of a board that carefully considered Ricky's extension more scary than the alternative.

Raider47 wrote: ↑August 14, 2018, 1:30 pm Isn't it comforting to know that Ricky probably has the 3rd safest job in the NRL...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 4a76568cdc

This is the Raiders section:

Current coach: Ricky Stuart

Contract expires: 2020

There’s been plenty of questions asked about Canberra’s record in recent seasons, and why the club hasn’t gone further into a finals series under Ricky Stuart.

But the Raiders saw fit to extend his contract just last year, when the team was battling for form.

At the time Stuart spoke about having “stability” at the club, having also re-signed a number of key players.

Even after a disappointing 2018 there hasn’t been any rumblings out of the capital about Stuart’s position.*

It appears he’s safe.

*Clearly they haven't read this thread.

Did anyone else see the teaser for NRL360 that they would announce a coach from a struggling club exiting at the end of the season and hold a tiny little hope that they were talking about us?