2018 Rd 2 V Knights: Game Day

[PJC01]

I’m not going to blame the Refs or any of that **** unless they cop it bad like last week against the titans,I will say this.
This is a very mentally weak poor excuse of a bunch of players realistically they are poorly coached.
Sam Williams is not FG material why is seizer on the bench?
Let’s get rid of some of this dead wood because let’s face it we are going to be the team with the longest drought in premiership history I’d be happy to see the raiders Axed out of the Comp.

And I don’t want to hear boys are hurting I got 17 blokes crushed in there and the same Stuart Spiel,not sure if Craig Bellamy could help these misfits.

I will finish with thank god for AFL **** you raiders tonight was the last straw can not go to all the games support buy their gear and get this **** for nearly 2 years!!!!
Raiders

[Dusty]

I’m going to dissent here.

I think they played MUCH better (still some poor options, but not as many and reduced errors it felt like)

Got a right screwing from the refs with a depleted bench and injury reshuffle. Can’t get in the way of a Newcastle fairytale.

No way, can’t blame the refs or injuries. We were ****


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The refs were atrocious


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[Billy Walker]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Weren't we just carved up by Ponga who was a star 19 year old winger last year?

[Danaman137]

Anyone know if the after hours cleaner at raiders HQ is up for a coaching gig?


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[-PJ-]

Madness is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result...

[Billy Walker]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Weren't we just carved up by Ponga who was a star 19 year old winger last year?

Although I take your point - not really the issue at the moment. Defence is poor and needs fixing.

[nachopants]

I'll say this right now. The refs let us lay all over the ruck, all night. We must have been "forgiven" for 6+ penalties in my mind.

If you, we, or Ricky blame the refs, you are one-eyed beyond professionalism.

...and hence, part of the problem.

[dubby]

Refs aren't the reason we lost.

Our goal line defence, our none tackling halves and stupid dropped balls are why we lost. Someone get Papaliii fired up will they? He looks uninterested and lazy.

On the plus, i thought Lui looked good, so did Gubb and Havili.

[Ultima]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Weren't we just carved up by Ponga who was a star 19 year old winger last year?

Wighton made 181 to Ponga's 131, so no... Also a 90 year old in a mobility scooter would have carved up our defense tonight...

[edwahu]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Not that I think he will get moved but Cotric was an outstanding junior fullback and Ponga seems to go well there at the same age. As did Tommy Turbo and plenty more. I don't get the Cotric is too young angle at all.

[Billy Walker]

I'll say this right now. The refs let us lay all over the ruck, all night. We must have been "forgiven" for 6+ penalties in my mind.

If you, we, or Ricky blame the refs, you are one-eyed beyond professionalism.

...and hence, part of the problem.

Best comment I've read on here! Hard not to think there is a deep cultural problem to look for excuses and not be accountable.

[-PJ-]

Can we talk about Gubbs hairdo ?

[Ultima]

We had the majority of the possession that game, we were 86% in handling, made more metres than the other side... Every stat leads to Raiders win, but we found a way to lose!

[Dusty]

I don’t see the Cotric to 1. Argument??? He’s a winger or centre.


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[Billy Walker]

Can we talk about Gubbs hairdo ?

Haha - half of me hopes for his sake that his groin injury warrants the squealing display he put on

[gangrenous]

I'll say this right now. The refs let us lay all over the ruck, all night. We must have been "forgiven" for 6+ penalties in my mind.

If you, we, or Ricky blame the refs, you are one-eyed beyond professionalism.

...and hence, part of the problem.

Best comment I've read on here! Hard not to think there is a deep cultural problem to look for excuses and not be accountable.

Garbage. Early in the first half, yes. They were loitering in the ruck hard and were penalised fairly effectively for it.

The rest of the game was fine.

[gerg]

Thank God we spent the off season working on the defence.

[Billy Walker]

I don’t see the Cotric to 1. Argument??? He’s a winger or centre.


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Would you shift him in to cover BJ?

[Raidernation]

Heard a rumour Ricky wanted to leave before the season started but the board wanted him to stay this year till they found another coach.

Perhaps forget about training attack for the next month and train defence until this team actually learns how to do it consistently.

My hope is if it is Stewart’s last year he says “f—- it” as rips into this team!!!

[gangrenous]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Are you seriously worried about disrupting the organisation of a defensive structure that’s broken by your own admission

[sprintman]

Any injuries?

[LP Raider]

We are up against SJ next week.

[dubby]

Thank God we spent the off season working on the defence.

Yep. It's clearly working. We've only conceded 60 points in two weeks.

[Rick]

Mentally week side “led” by a mentally week “Captain”


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[Timbo]

That is 60 points in two games our defense has not improved at all we are still doing the exact same things wrong.
Stuart purchased three Hookers and now uses our halves as Hookers too he chop and changes our forwards that no one in the team know what they are doing.
Stuart can not coach tactically and his has no idea how to coach his team to defend.
The Raiders showed plenty when attacking but their attitude towards defending is poor the difference between Manly and Raiders attitude today is a mile long.

There is no leadership up from or by our Captain (sorry Croker but you are not a Captain).

No excuses I knew this would be a repeat of last weeks efforts.
60 POINTS IN TWO GAMES !!!!

I have to say, why on earth did we buy Garvey and Havili if Stuart doesn't see them as backup options to Hodgson?

Williams is not a premiership winning half. The odd good kick does not make up for going missing and failing to take the game by the scruff of the neck. He's a poor mans Chad Townsend.

I agree with the sentiments on Papalli. He needs to put down the fork and stop riding on form from years ago.

[RTW]

Heard a rumour Ricky wanted to leave before the season started but the board wanted him to stay this year till they found another coach.

Perhaps forget about training attack for the next month and train defence until this team actually learns how to do it consistently.

My hope is if it is Stewart’s last year he says “f—- it” as rips into this team!!!

Hard to take your post seriously when you spell the Stuart’s name wrong. It would be a bit like me going in to your site and spelling Lockheed name wrong.

[Butters]

How's BJ?

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[El_Capitano]

We played better this week if we can fix that gap/read/poor defence near the halves we are golden. I thought the sin bin and play the ball was not consistently enforced too.


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[AJL]

Death, taxes and the Raiders choking. Life's great certainties.

[Kryptonite]

Whitehead did well at centre and has filled in well there in the past but I'd like to see a more long term option looked at. Wighton to Centre, Cotric to fullback? Thoughts?

No.... You don't take someone who is a great winger and only 19 years old and expect them to do well at fullback... Even more so that the fullback should be organising the defence which Cotric is completely untested in... Why do you want to keep changing where we don't have problems? Our problems were in our defensive structure as a whole, our pathetic use of the bench, and our game management as a whole... Throw in our mental toughness at the current rice paper level and that's why we are losing games.... Moving the pieces around the board wont' do ****...

Weren't we just carved up by Ponga who was a star 19 year old winger last year?

Cotric was born to play fullback ****! Jack had a great game tonight and Austin was somewhere ba k to his best BUT , poor roster rotation and mental capacity once again cost us the game, it the COACH WHO NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBITY!

[sprintman]

Our coach doesn’t do responsibility

[InFernos_Raiders]

NO CONFIDENCE
NO BACKBONE
NO HEART
CAN'T DEFEND
STUART NO IDEA TACTICALLY
STUART NO IDEA GAME MANAGEMENT
STUART TO SCARED OR DROP ANYONE OR COME DOWN HARD
STUART WILL HAVE EXACT SAME LINEUP FOR ROUND 3
NOTHING WILL CHANGE
SAME AS 2017, 2015, 2014, 2013.........................

[-TW-]

Thank God we spent the off season working on the defence.

Would of been 60-30 if we didn't

[Green Taipan]

Same ole rubbish! Criticised for not managing the game last week, this week they started trying to close the game down with 20mins to go. The good teams might be able to defend a 2 pt lead but the Raider's porous defence, particularly on their right side, had no chance. At least Austin had a real crack.

[Green eyed Mick]

What is so hard for us defensively? Is it attitude or coached? It seems to infect everyone that plays for us.

When you look at what lets us down. Coordination, Line speed, Ruck control, Kick pressure, Cover defence. These are all attitude problems IMO.

We demonstrate an ability to turn up for each other and scrap on every play here and there but we lack the 80 minute attitude. We have never had it under Sticky and we aren't good enough anymore to win while playing for significantly less than 80.