Sydney Roosters sign Kurt Baptiste for 2018

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I thought a buyout counted towards the cap?
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Leigh have officially released him, said he is going to the Roosters:

Leigh Centurions can confirm that Kurt Baptiste has been released from his playing contract with the Club with immediate effect due to personal and family reasons.

Baptiste will return to the NRL in Australia to join Sydney Roosters.

Read more: https://leighrl.co.uk/wp/blog/2018/03/0 ... -contract/
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U can probly congirm it

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Oh... i see ive probly pinched this from u already. Nice work Goobeeful

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Matt wrote: March 5, 2018, 9:56 am Oh... i see ive probly pinched this from u already. Nice work Goobeeful

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greeneyed wrote: March 3, 2018, 10:31 pm I don’t think anyone disbelieves this is a likely outcome.

But what people don’t believe is how the Raiders have been forced to offload Kurt Baptiste, despite an injury to their top hooker, due to salary cap constraints...

And then the Premiership favourites, who have signed many top line players already... and who have amongst the most TPAs... come in and sign him under a salary cap sombrero... before he plays nary a match in England?!

How, on earth, is this a salary cap that helps spread the talent?
Because we botched the cap and they didn’t. It’s oretty simple.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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TBF, It's probably a lot easier to manage the cap when players will accept a lot less to play for you.
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edwahu wrote: March 5, 2018, 10:37 am TBF, It's probably a lot easier to manage the cap when players will accept a lot less to play for you.
Yep, 100%
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accept a lot less pursuant to their nrl registered contract.

But also require a boat, a job for mom and the GF and a car for dad.
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Wonder how much he gets?


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No matter how you look at this, mismanagement or not, it's pretty ****.

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Besides shonky TPAs, i think there needs to be 2 things brought in that prevent this sort of thing from happening.

1. Ban front and backloading of contracts. Backloading has serious ramifications to cap management and creates an environment where someone like Baptiste is forced to be released when we otherwise would have likely kept him on the books.

But this won't work on its own unless:

2. Needs to be more difficult to get out of an existing contract. Part of the reason Backloading is so popular (in my opinion) is that its a way for clubs to keep players who start to realise their potential. So if you suspect say Havalii will go gangbusters in a year or 2, you offer him a 4 year contract that progressively sees him earning more as a way to make it harder for clubs to turn his head...

Contracts aren't worth s*** these days, so players are sign knowing another club can offer them more one year in and they're more than likely going to get a release. Or allow transfer fees that will boost the selling clubs salary cap for the remainder of the departing players contract to the transfer fee amount. Sell Baptiste with a $300k transfer fee, we get an extra $300k added to our salary cap for a year (because he had a year left to run).
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The only way we compete equally on the player market with a team like the Roosters is if they gave us a bigger cap than them. Probably 20% bigger and that's assuming their TPA's are really only around 200k and there are no dodgey deals going on.
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I think this is a sign that NRL competition is in big trouble.

The long and short of it is Raiders couldn't afford him and he goes off to play at a club that signed the NSW fullback and the Australian halfback and they had room to afford him.

Surely we would have kept him if we could... we are considering playing Sezer at 9 (someone who hasn't ever played hooker before!)

Unless the Raiders play outta their skin this year I am sorry to say, we won't be competitive against top sides like the Roosters.

There is hardly any point following the league until it's an equal playing field.
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Honestly, scrap the cap
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And they wonder why crowd numbers are down...

If we didnt have the best guys in the nrl playing for us i would just give up

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Yep, this stinks. Are there any questions being asked of the nrl for a please explain?
Certainly doesn't seem to be a level playing field. Even roosters supporters at my work are saying they can't work out how the roosters can afford these players.
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-PJ- wrote: March 5, 2018, 6:52 am How is it WE had salary cap issues and had to release Baptiste

But....

The Roosters have plenty of $$$ and keep on buying..

I'm a little confused, if Greenburg could clear this up I'd be so thankful.
Here is the official NRL answer


How can some clubs have so many elite players and still be under the Salary Cap while other clubs at the bottom of the table seem to be just under the Salary Cap?

The reality is the majority of clubs spend the Salary Cap but not all are successful on the field. Someone has to come last and someone has to win, regardless of what they spend.

Some clubs will attract players on the basis of what the club can offer a player's career rather than just money. Other clubs may need to spend more money to attract the same level of player.

Many factors affect individual players' remuneration levels. Some of the reasons why a player may sign with a club include:

- Staying close to the player's home town and family.
- The chance to work with one of the top coaches in the game.
- Being part of a winning team and the potential to play in the Telstra Premiership Finals Series or Grand Final.
- Increased opportunity to play NRL with that club due to a lack of competition for the player's preferred position.
- The increased profile a player may enjoy in a one-team town.
- The number of support staff, their expertise and the support facilities.
- Education and welfare support structures.
- In addition, a player's salary package may include benefits that are specifically excluded from the Salary Cap, such as the payment of medical premiums, Marquee Player Agreements, relocation payments, prize money, university fees etc.
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Prize money?!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
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Does that include poker machine payouts?
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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That exclusion list is so outrageous i just had to post three in a row!
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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benda wrote:I think this is a sign that NRL competition is in big trouble.

The long and short of it is Raiders couldn't afford him and he goes off to play at a club that signed the NSW fullback and the Australian halfback and they had room to afford him.

Surely we would have kept him if we could... we are considering playing Sezer at 9 (someone who hasn't ever played hooker before!)

Unless the Raiders play outta their skin this year I am sorry to say, we won't be competitive against top sides like the Roosters.

There is hardly any point following the league until it's an equal playing field.
You are right there isn’t any point. But you just know you keep on coming back year in year out hopefully for some type of miracle.


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Brew wrote: March 5, 2018, 6:53 pm
benda wrote:I think this is a sign that NRL competition is in big trouble.

The long and short of it is Raiders couldn't afford him and he goes off to play at a club that signed the NSW fullback and the Australian halfback and they had room to afford him.

Surely we would have kept him if we could... we are considering playing Sezer at 9 (someone who hasn't ever played hooker before!)

Unless the Raiders play outta their skin this year I am sorry to say, we won't be competitive against top sides like the Roosters.

There is hardly any point following the league until it's an equal playing field.
You are right there isn’t any point. But you just know you keep on coming back year in year out hopefully for some type of miracle.


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It’s kinda besides the point if I continue to follow the game or not. Bigger picture... NRL is competing for mindshare amongst many digital media channels ...

I guess all that’s important is for the fans at Bondi to be satisfied.

Someone here called it out... where are the critics questioning what’s going on?????

Anyway the game is becoming a joke.

All that needs to happen now is for Sonny Bill to join the Roosters.
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edwahu wrote: March 5, 2018, 6:19 pm - In addition, a player's salary package may include benefits that are specifically excluded from the Salary Cap, such as the payment of medical premiums, Marquee Player Agreements, relocation payments, prize money, university fees etc.
The last three letters says it all really
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It's official, Roosters for one year, confirmed this morning.

Kurt Baptiste signs with Roosters for 2018

The Sydney Roosters have today announced the signing of hooker Kurt Baptiste for the remainder of the 2018 season.

Read more: https://www.roosters.com.au/news/2018/0 ... -for-2018/
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Good to see the NRL Commission is still claiming that the Salary Cap is evening out the competition.

I remember when we had to release our second string Hooker Ryan Hinchcliffe to Storm for salary cap reasons in the same year that they would ultimately blow the salary cap.

How can the NRL be so blind to the issues and the need for the Raiders to fend off the huge growth of AFL and GWS in this area.
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I've calmed a bit on it. He's a phenomenal bench impact player, but can never be a starting hooker because of his service. A great bonus to have in the squad, but not a core part of the spine.
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