Raiders player signing speculation 2018

BJ · Post by BJ » February 20, 2018, 8:55 am

People need to remember that many of these deals for players are done outside the tax system. These will never appear in the official NRL reports.

Previous payment scandals that have come to light has not seen players paid or receiving boats through the formal tax system.

You have to take this information from the NRL with a large grain of salt.

El_Capitano · Post by **El_Capitano** » February 20, 2018, 9:09 am

Looks like this story has been pulled down...

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edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 20, 2018, 9:13 am

El_Capitano wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 9:09 am Looks like this story has been pulled down...

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It was a cut and paste issue with the link. Try this one:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/19/nrl ... greements/

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 20, 2018, 9:14 am

BJ wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 8:55 am People need to remember that many of these deals for players are done outside the tax system. These will never appear in the official NRL reports.

Previous payment scandals that have come to light has not seen players paid or receiving boats through the formal tax system.

You have to take this information from the NRL with a large grain of salt.

Yeah but that's straight up cheating, which we are as entitled to do as any other club.

I think the reality is that we will lose out to certain clubs even with an even playing field when it comes to trying to attract star players, these issues just make it slightly worse. We would need a higher cap or draft and restricted FA to get equal access to players.

El_Capitano · Post by **El_Capitano** » February 20, 2018, 9:17 am

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/19/nrl ... greements/

To begin with I thought 700k is that all, but then I thought that’s 5 guys who could earn and extra 150k “top up”

El_Capitano · Post by **El_Capitano** » February 20, 2018, 9:27 am

Or 3 integral spine pieces who get an extra $250k each

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 20, 2018, 9:28 am

They haven't published anything yet! I shall wait and see what comes when the figures are actually published... but a lot of that story is more excuses. I certainly do not "take comfort" by what they've revealed so far. The bottom line is that all player payments should be capped, and they should be equal for all clubs. What that article underlines is the number of loopholes in the system. It is a complex mess... and just provides a whole lot of scope for no level playing field.

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 20, 2018, 9:29 am

El_Capitano wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 9:17 am https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/19/nrl ... greements/

To begin with I thought 700k is that all, but then I thought that’s 5 guys who could earn and extra 150k “top up”

There is also the 6 million from marquee deals and game sponsors which is no doubt excluded by the NRL because it would mostly be going to the same elite players and clubs. The numbers do illustrate that the system creates a situation where the top level talent is very unlikely to move clubs, which has the knock on effect of making the rest of those squads much stronger. However, it is hard to argue that the deals for some of these players are excessive given their profiles.

Still, it is better than a couple of years ago when the most damage was done to us. In 2015 it was double the amount relative to the cap. If the NRL keeps it at it's current level, marquee is phased out and they ensure that the whole of game sponsorship are distributed fairly, then I don't think we have a big disadvantage based on TPA deals alone.

Even ignoring the top few sides it's also hard to argue we are at a major disadvantage relative to most other clubs, many who have had more success than us.

Post by **greeneyed** » February 20, 2018, 9:44 am

BTW I have been reading Billy Slater's book... and it appears that the marquee player arrangement was at the basis of what's often referred to as the Storm players "signing two contracts". The side letter Slater signed was to the effect that the Storm would seek to have sponsors make a certain payment under the allowance... but if they couldn't find them, the Storm guaranteed they would make the payments. The side letter also explicitly guaranteed that payments would be in accordance with all NRL rules, salary cap and would be notified to the NRL. The only trouble is... it appears the Storm never provided that side letter to the NRL and made the payments.

So from the manager and player's perspective, they had no reason to think anything was astray. But indeed there was...

I presume the Storm did the same for more than one player. I believe the rules have somehow changed in relation to the marquee player arrangements which rule this out, in any event.

Just thought I'd mention it... because we've often debated this on the forum... and it is no doubt why the NRL cleared the Storm players.

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 20, 2018, 10:01 am

Yes, if you want to read more you can read the entire findings regarding the Storm and the recommendations here:

http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/2011_storm_report.pdf

It's clear when your read it that the Storm breach really was at an entirely new level of cheating that hasn't been matched. I am also not entirely convinced the players didn't know it was a breach to guarantee TPA's and their managers certainly did. Interesting also that some of the strongest recommendations like front and backloading bans were not implemented.

Post by **dubby** » February 20, 2018, 6:46 pm

Tony Adams saying on his Facebook feed that the raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt.

https://www.facebook.com/9Moley/videos/580178905660107/

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zim · Post by **zim** » February 20, 2018, 7:00 pm

dubby wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 6:46 pm Tony Adams saying on his Facebook feed that the raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt

I hope he's not that high in the pecking order if he comes. Would rather Abbey or Oldfield on the wing and Kris in the centres.

zim · Post by **zim** » February 20, 2018, 7:16 pm

Brew wrote: ↑February 17, 2018, 11:50 am Rumours doing the rounds that the Bulldogs have to still release a player and most likely it will be Tolman.
Not that we can afford him but he would be handy.

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Rumour is he's off to the Titans effective immediately.

El_Capitano · Post by **El_Capitano** » February 20, 2018, 7:32 pm

dubby wrote:Tony Adams saying on his Facebook feed that the raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt.

https://www.facebook.com/9Moley/videos/580178905660107/

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Do we need depth at centre?

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Post by **T_R** » February 20, 2018, 7:35 pm

dubby wrote:Tony Adams saying on his Facebook feed that the raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt.

https://www.facebook.com/9Moley/videos/580178905660107/

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Four clubs in five years? You begin to wonder.

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 20, 2018, 7:36 pm

El_Capitano wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 7:32 pm
dubby wrote:Tony Adams saying on his Facebook feed that the raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt.

https://www.facebook.com/9Moley/videos/580178905660107/

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Do we need depth at centre?

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We have poor depth in the outside backs and forwards IMO.

FuiFui BradBrad · Post by **FuiFui BradBrad** » February 20, 2018, 7:37 pm

I heard Tony Adams is saying in his Facebook feed that the Raiders have made an offer to Hymel Hunt

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 20, 2018, 7:38 pm

Yes he did.

FROG · Post by **FROG** » February 20, 2018, 7:42 pm

Ive not seen loads of hymel hunt, but from what I can remember, I thought he was a pretty solid ball runner. Kind of reminded me of a josh Hoffman type player. Would be a much better option than Abbey imo

Post by **dubby** » February 20, 2018, 7:43 pm

I'll clarify : the raiders have contacted Hunt, but no offer yet.
I dont think there's much to it. Adams said it would need to be a good offer.

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 20, 2018, 8:12 pm

In fact...

@9_Moley The Mole on Twitter

Peeps, Moley was asked during my LIVE chat by Jordy whether there was any chance of Hymel Hunt going to @RaidersCanberra - have since spoken to Raiders and they said NO WAY.

El_Capitano · Post by **El_Capitano** » February 20, 2018, 8:24 pm

greeneyed wrote:In fact...

@9_Moley The Mole on Twitter

Peeps, Moley was asked during my LIVE chat by Jordy whether there was any chance of Hymel Hunt going to @RaidersCanberra - have since spoken to Raiders and they said NO WAY.

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edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 20, 2018, 8:38 pm

But did he confirm if we are talking to John Folau or Bureta Furiamo?

-TW- · Post by **-TW-** » February 20, 2018, 8:40 pm

Rapana29 at it again

Post by **Matt** » February 21, 2018, 8:37 am

zim wrote: ↑February 20, 2018, 7:16 pm
Brew wrote: ↑February 17, 2018, 11:50 am Rumours doing the rounds that the Bulldogs have to still release a player and most likely it will be Tolman.
Not that we can afford him but he would be handy.

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Rumour is he's off to the Titans effective immediately.

rumour is getting stronger too

Lucy · Post by **Lucy** » February 21, 2018, 10:07 am

Rumour has it everyone is off to the Titans. Word on the street up here that a particular rep forward for the Raiders is signed for 2019 and beyond too.

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BigPapa · Post by **BigPapa** » February 21, 2018, 12:02 pm

Captain Punish wrote: ↑February 21, 2018, 10:07 am Rumour has it everyone is off to the Titans. Word on the street up here that a particular rep forward for the Raiders is signed for 2019 and beyond too.

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Paulo or Papa ???

Post by **greeneyed** » February 21, 2018, 12:52 pm

There's a rumour about suggesting Papalii to the Titans... only then it became Papalii to the Warriors... and now just today, he's publicly stating he wants a contract extension at the Raiders. So I'm inclined to believe the last report!

The Nickman · Post by **The Nickman** » February 21, 2018, 3:01 pm

dubby wrote:What's with the messy quoting? Drives me crazy

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If only you knew someone with moderator or admin powers that could fix it, dubs!

Lucy · Post by **Lucy** » February 21, 2018, 3:17 pm

The Nickman wrote:
dubby wrote:What's with the messy quoting? Drives me crazy

If only you knew someone with moderator or admin powers that could fix it, dubs!
I have no idea what you are talking about?

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 21, 2018, 3:20 pm

I think the quoting looks great on the new board. Still some problems to be sorted out with the tranisition though.

Neeeegz · Post by **Neeeegz** » February 21, 2018, 6:58 pm

Do we even have a marque player ? Serious question...
Typical Canberra overpaid and underachieve... Was hoping it was only the politicians down there....

Lucy · Post by **Lucy** » February 21, 2018, 7:07 pm

Neeeegz wrote:Do we even have a marque player ? Serious question...
Typical Canberra overpaid and underachieve... Was hoping it was only the politicians down there....

Not sure about a Marque but I know we have a Mikaele. Hope this helps.

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Neeeegz · Post by **Neeeegz** » February 21, 2018, 7:11 pm

We have three makawoas too if I remember correctly from the "trial"

Brew · Post by **Brew** » February 22, 2018, 6:14 am

Neeeegz wrote:Do we even have a marque player ? Serious question...
Typical Canberra overpaid and underachieve... Was hoping it was only the politicians down there....

I would say in 2016 Josh Hodgson would of been a marquee player, was probably in the top 5 players in the competition and people were tipping him for the Daily M.

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