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Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
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edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
It does mention the Roosters are interested.

Surely that will be Ron Cootes money ?
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edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
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There is no doubt he is a destructive player and we would be crazy not to make a play for him. The hamstring injuries are a little concerning for such a young player. Happy to see any young and talented player leave the Broncos though.
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greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
And then the Raiders tell us they’re going to “build our brand” by taking away a home game from Canberra and the home fans they tell us they “appreciate”. The club is seriously in a complete disarray.
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greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
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UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Uncle Drew... we need a first grade half back in case you hadn’t noticed. We are not getting one in Hingano. Sutton... like the idea... but if he can’t make firsts in ESL he’s not doing it in NRL.
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TPA’s come down to the corporate network of your CEO, Board and coach. Unfortunately our coach isn’t liked, our CEO has no real network or contacts and the board is to union heavy. That’s why we can’t get TPA’s like the roosters and other clubs.



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UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Dunamis Lui he should only be needed when we have injuries if he's in our best 17 next year we're in trouble.
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BigPapa wrote:
UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Dunamis Lui he should only be needed when we have injuries if he's in our best 17 next year we're in trouble.
Players that are resigned and are not up to first grade standard are

Lui
Williams
Hingano
Bateman
Sutton


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LastRaider wrote: September 1, 2018, 7:05 am
BigPapa wrote:
UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Dunamis Lui he should only be needed when we have injuries if he's in our best 17 next year we're in trouble.
Players that are resigned and are not up to first grade standard are

Lui
Williams
Hingano
Bateman
Sutton


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So who exactly do you want to sign to take thes guys places? Lui is a solid backup and has been solid all year, Williams, whilst not elite has easily been our best half all year, hingano has played off the bench in positions hes not familiar with, plus hes young with a lot of talent, dont know which bateman your referring to there
Sutton hasnt played nrl so how would you know if hes up to it
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LastRaider wrote: September 1, 2018, 6:09 am TPA’s come down to the corporate network of your CEO, Board and coach. Unfortunately our coach isn’t liked, our CEO has no real network or contacts and the board is to union heavy. That’s why we can’t get TPA’s like the roosters and other clubs.



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You've misinterpreted how the Broncos and Roosters use TPAs. What you mean to say is our club doesn't rort the system like they do. In reality none of the other 13 clubs do either. Although Eels and Sharks have had a decent crack at it recently.
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TPA's hurt but are not the biggest issue. The Roosters have one of the lower TPAs. The reality of the network Politis has and their location isn't something we can directly compete with. Same with the Broncos.

We just need to get better at managing the cap. At this time of year you should always have a stack of cash so you can work out your front and backloading next year. The spend against the cap for 2019 isn't even finalised for another 14 months.
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chris83 wrote:
LastRaider wrote: September 1, 2018, 7:05 am
BigPapa wrote:
UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Dunamis Lui he should only be needed when we have injuries if he's in our best 17 next year we're in trouble.
Players that are resigned and are not up to first grade standard are

Lui
Williams
Hingano
Bateman
Sutton


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So who exactly do you want to sign to take thes guys places? Lui is a solid backup and has been solid all year, Williams, whilst not elite has easily been our best half all year, hingano has played off the bench in positions hes not familiar with, plus hes young with a lot of talent, dont know which bateman your referring to there
Sutton hasnt played nrl so how would you know if hes up to it
Referring to our current Bateman not our new one. Sutton won’t make the 17 at the start of the season


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Lui not first grade standard? Ouch. He’s been better than paulo and boyd this year.


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Yeah, harsh on Lui. He isn't a top line starter but he is a decent bench middle.

If our rotation was a top line signing, Papalii, Guler, Lui, Havilli, Sia with Horsburgh and Sutton next up then I'd be pretty comfortable. It's just when you have Papalii as the only top line player it looks inadequate.
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I have high hopes for Horsburgh from what I’ve heard...

I hope we can give him a few opportunities and then sign him up long term


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BigPapa wrote: September 1, 2018, 6:28 am
UncleDrew wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:58 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 31, 2018, 11:27 pm
edwahu wrote: August 31, 2018, 9:49 pm Pangai jr to Knights is looking likely.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/56200 ... officials/

Fair to say if we had the money we would've been a decent chance.
If we wanted him enough and had the ruthlessness needed to win premierships, the Raiders could have recruited him. Our salary cap management, however, is poor. Our club doesn’t do what’s needed to win premierships. Meanwhile, we re-sign... players who have demonstrated they’re not up to first grade.
Who’s not up to first grade standard who we have re-signed?
Dunamis Lui he should only be needed when we have injuries if he's in our best 17 next year we're in trouble.
The Warriors pack is a team of "Lui's" outside Harris.

Bronx have TPJ and Ofa. I suppose McGuire and Lodge do their role.

Storm are really just JBrom and NAS, bit of Kaufusi.

Long story short, every team has Lui's in their 17. TBH, he has played better footy than our 2 big boppas, and the rest of the prop depth bar Sia.
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CJ42 wrote: September 1, 2018, 12:20 pm Lui not first grade standard? Ouch. He’s been better than paulo and boyd this year.


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Absolutely and you would assume at half the price.

Dusty, is Horsburgh another prop?
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Considering Lui was probably paid around $180k this season, I’d say he was good value.

My guess is he is probably on about $320k (plus or minus) for the next three years.

You need to sign a Lui to be able to afford a Papalli in your pack.
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TPJ had at least 2 visits to both raiders and knights. Knights have the cash advantage but if we want him we can get him I believe.

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gergreg wrote:
CJ42 wrote: September 1, 2018, 12:20 pm Lui not first grade standard? Ouch. He’s been better than paulo and boyd this year.


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Absolutely and you would assume at half the price.

Dusty, is Horsburgh another prop?
A lock


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bonehead wrote:TPJ had at least 2 visits to both raiders and knights. Knights have the cash advantage but if we want him we can get him I believe.

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How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.

His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
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I agree
Surely a couple of upgrades hasn’t used all that up


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Lui has done well this year, Guler looks the goods.
Cotric will be even better next year, and I feel Pommie Bateman will do very well.
He has the advantage of having Whitehead and Hodgo here, as well as his mate Sutton, I think they will feed off each other.

Definitely need more from our halves and less dumb plays from BJ.
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Where do people think Coote will end up?


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Dusty wrote: September 1, 2018, 7:55 pm Where do people think Coote will end up?


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Dusty wrote:Where do people think Coote will end up?


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BJ wrote: September 1, 2018, 5:35 pm Considering Lui was probably paid around $180k this season, I’d say he was good value.

My guess is he is probably on about $320k (plus or minus) for the next three years.

You need to sign a Lui to be able to afford a Papalli in your pack.
You don’t need a Lui, you need a player of his ilk on next to no money. If we’ve upgraded him that’s exactly why our cap is screwed.

If a baseline player requires an upgraded contract you move them on and find someone to do the job on lower money.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Dusty wrote: September 1, 2018, 7:55 pm Where do people think Coote will end up?


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julian87 wrote: September 2, 2018, 1:35 pm
BJ wrote: September 1, 2018, 5:35 pm Considering Lui was probably paid around $180k this season, I’d say he was good value.

My guess is he is probably on about $320k (plus or minus) for the next three years.

You need to sign a Lui to be able to afford a Papalli in your pack.
You don’t need a Lui, you need a player of his ilk on next to no money. If we’ve upgraded him that’s exactly why our cap is screwed.

If a baseline player requires an upgraded contract you move them on and find someone to do the job on lower money.
Generally yes, but at the same time, anything 300K or less is fine for those fringe 17 players. Of which Lui should be.
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LP Raider wrote:How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.

His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
The club just used the “not playing overs” excuse to cover up that they over estimated what the cap was going to be 2019 and it was very much welcome when other clubs came knocking for them. They were never serious with their offers to those players


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Matt wrote:
julian87 wrote: September 2, 2018, 1:35 pm
BJ wrote: September 1, 2018, 5:35 pm Considering Lui was probably paid around $180k this season, I’d say he was good value.

My guess is he is probably on about $320k (plus or minus) for the next three years.

You need to sign a Lui to be able to afford a Papalli in your pack.
You don’t need a Lui, you need a player of his ilk on next to no money. If we’ve upgraded him that’s exactly why our cap is screwed.

If a baseline player requires an upgraded contract you move them on and find someone to do the job on lower money.
Generally yes, but at the same time, anything 300K or less is fine for those fringe 17 players. Of which Lui should be.
I disagree Matt, you keep cycling them through the system. Move them on and bring in another player looking for a start on minimum wage or close too


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