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The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
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TongueFTW wrote:The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
one of our biggest problems is our tackle 5 option, when we do get the kick to the corner the chase isn't good enough or we give up a silly penalty, it's killing our defensive set and draining our energy. Couple that with frantic attack and cue the fade.

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TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
I think you’re partly right, which is why Wighton to five-eighth is appealing. He’ll make a weak defensive position into a strong one, so theoretically we won’t be conceding a couple of those horrendous edge tries and therefore won’t have as much pressure on the halves at the end of the game.

But I still can’t see any combination of our current players being strong enough in the halves for us to be true contenders. Williams’ pass to Bateman on the fourth during a set when we were desperate for a try on Sunday was a classic example of why our guys aren’t able to lead at key times.

But, yes, fix the discipline, fitness and structures and we’ll win most games.
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Comment heard often that Raiders aren’t fit
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Ruben Daley wrote:
TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
I think you’re partly right, which is why Wighton to five-eighth is appealing. He’ll make a weak defensive position into a strong one, so theoretically we won’t be conceding a couple of those horrendous edge tries and therefore won’t have as much pressure on the halves at the end of the game.

But I still can’t see any combination of our current players being strong enough in the halves for us to be true contenders. Williams’ pass to Bateman on the fourth during a set when we were desperate for a try on Sunday was a classic example of why our guys aren’t able to lead at key times.

But, yes, fix the discipline, fitness and structures and we’ll win most games.
Because the Wighton to 5/8 experiment was such a hit last time, wasn't it?

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sprintman wrote: August 14, 2018, 7:27 pm Comment heard often that Raiders aren’t fit
I don't understand how this can be true.

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Captain Punish wrote: August 14, 2018, 7:45 pm
Ruben Daley wrote:
TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
I think you’re partly right, which is why Wighton to five-eighth is appealing. He’ll make a weak defensive position into a strong one, so theoretically we won’t be conceding a couple of those horrendous edge tries and therefore won’t have as much pressure on the halves at the end of the game.

But I still can’t see any combination of our current players being strong enough in the halves for us to be true contenders. Williams’ pass to Bateman on the fourth during a set when we were desperate for a try on Sunday was a classic example of why our guys aren’t able to lead at key times.

But, yes, fix the discipline, fitness and structures and we’ll win most games.
Because the Wighton to 5/8 experiment was such a hit last time, wasn't it?
Papalii moving to the middle has been a failure just like last time as well.
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zim wrote:
Captain Punish wrote: August 14, 2018, 7:45 pm
Ruben Daley wrote:
TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
I think you’re partly right, which is why Wighton to five-eighth is appealing. He’ll make a weak defensive position into a strong one, so theoretically we won’t be conceding a couple of those horrendous edge tries and therefore won’t have as much pressure on the halves at the end of the game.

But I still can’t see any combination of our current players being strong enough in the halves for us to be true contenders. Williams’ pass to Bateman on the fourth during a set when we were desperate for a try on Sunday was a classic example of why our guys aren’t able to lead at key times.

But, yes, fix the discipline, fitness and structures and we’ll win most games.
Because the Wighton to 5/8 experiment was such a hit last time, wasn't it?
Papalii moving to the middle has been a failure just like last time as well.
I still think Papalii is more damaging on the edge. But Whitehead and Tapine are better, fitter options. So it is what it is. Also, Second row to lock, is far less crucial a move than numpty fullback to far more numpty 5/8.

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I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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I feel sorry for Jack, he has been moved around in so many different positions, then he finally this year looks to be at home at Fullback and now we are looking to move him again.



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julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
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TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
Precisely.

Defense, fitness and attitude are our main problems (all related). Talent across the park isn't the issue here.

If we fix our defense and all 17 players go into each game with the right attitude, the 5th tackle panic options go, as does the tendency to give away stupid penalties.

This team has one of the best attacks in the comp despite being a completely ill disciplined rabble at times. We are typically only switched on for a maximum of 50 minutes a game. It's quite remarkable when you think about it.
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TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
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Seiffert82 wrote:
julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
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Seiffert82 wrote: August 15, 2018, 7:25 am
julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
Agree, I reckon if you put jack at fullback in one of the strong teams like the rabbitohs sharks or roosters, they'd still be a good chance of winning the premiership, if you put our halves combination in to those same sides they'd be no chance
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Keghead wrote: August 15, 2018, 8:33 am
Seiffert82 wrote:
julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
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Wighton would probably go to jail if he just randomly smacks somebody in the head. .. again.
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gergreg wrote:
Keghead wrote: August 15, 2018, 8:33 am
Seiffert82 wrote:
julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
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Wighton would probably go to jail if he just randomly smacks somebody in the head. .. again.
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Captain Punish wrote: August 14, 2018, 7:45 pm
Ruben Daley wrote:
TongueFTW wrote: August 14, 2018, 1:58 pm The only reason our halves are consistently called upon to win us games in clutch situations is our inability to defend. I am not even convinced a so called “dominant half” can work when we have Hodgson (and, to a lesser extent, Wighton) in our spine. Williams and Sezer are fine - we made a run to the semis in 2012 with Williams and McCrone, with Glenn Buttris at hooker (!). This team is not underperforming due to lack of attacking options or halves, it is ill discipline, lack of fitness and defensive structures.
I think you’re partly right, which is why Wighton to five-eighth is appealing. He’ll make a weak defensive position into a strong one, so theoretically we won’t be conceding a couple of those horrendous edge tries and therefore won’t have as much pressure on the halves at the end of the game.

But I still can’t see any combination of our current players being strong enough in the halves for us to be true contenders. Williams’ pass to Bateman on the fourth during a set when we were desperate for a try on Sunday was a classic example of why our guys aren’t able to lead at key times.

But, yes, fix the discipline, fitness and structures and we’ll win most games.
Because the Wighton to 5/8 experiment was such a hit last time, wasn't it?

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Nope, it was a massive failure. But Wighton is a way more confident and rounded player now because he’s 130 games into his career rather than 40 odd.

I actually don’t want to move him because he’s been excellent at fullback this year. I just don’t have faith in Sezer and Williams as a combo, and reckon Jack’s defence and ability to create for his outside men is a better risk to take. Hence why I referred to him moving to five-eighth as “appealing”. Particularly with Cotric such a good replacement at the back.
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Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
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greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
Unless we had money in the cap for a premiership winning fullback still in his prime and currently a free agent looking for a club...
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If Brad Abbey bulks up significantly he would be in the picture, but right now he's far too lean
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Keghead wrote: August 15, 2018, 2:34 pm
gergreg wrote:
Keghead wrote: August 15, 2018, 8:33 am
Seiffert82 wrote:
julian87 wrote: August 14, 2018, 10:32 pm I don’t think you can call Wighton a numpty fullback based on 2018.
He's not. He still has that odd error in him, but as you have pointed out he is a vital cog in our attack. He was last season and the season before too.

People just see what they want to see.

The **** just needs to sort himself out off the field.
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Wighton would probably go to jail if he just randomly smacks somebody in the head. .. again.
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Beejay wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:04 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
Unless we had money in the cap for a premiership winning fullback still in his prime and currently a free agent looking for a club...
Very strong rumour the Roosters have some money left and have made an offer
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Beejay wrote:
greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
Unless we had money in the cap for a premiership winning fullback still in his prime and currently a free agent looking for a club...
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greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
That’s interesting about Cotric. Sounds like he’s playing wing unless Ricky is prepared to move Toots or BJ - which I highly doubt.
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Ruben Daley wrote: August 16, 2018, 7:10 am
greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
That’s interesting about Cotric. Sounds like he’s playing wing unless Ricky is prepared to move Toots or BJ - which I highly doubt.
Cotric has been great on the wing and has developed a strong combo with Toots. I know he has to grow into the fullback role a bit if he was to play there however I feel he has had more impact on the wing than fullback at this point although early days.
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greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
Interesting comment. Is something going on with our current centres? If there wasn’t, he would have just said Cotric was only being considered for the wing.

Maybe moving BJ to Wing, 2nd Row, or out of the squad altogether?
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greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
I think the Cotric comment had a bit more context: Cotric is a wing or centre (right now, without a preseason at fullback if Wighton moves to 6). He hasn't ruled out Cotric playing fullback next year.
Agree that Abbey isn't a first grade level fullback.
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If BJ is in the squad he has to be at Centre with Rapana next to him. Joey is our highest try scorer.
I still think we just need to buy a Norman or give Carney a train and trial contract or second option to throw money at Barba and move Jack to 6. Just make it happen


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We won't sign anyone who is an established NRL talent, publically stated we have no money in the cap. If Jack is moved to 6, Rapa will probably move to fullback with Oldfield to the wing or Brad Abbey will be our permanent 1... dark times
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How could it all go so wrong...again!! I had huge hopes when stick took over, i was optimistic when we were losing in his first year or two, 2016 made me think we were on the way up (although i was concerned about how 90% of our tries seem to come from freakish plays) last year i was blown away by how average we were but kept telling myself "we nearly made the gf last season we will come good". After this season, ive lost all faith, we need a new set of halves, we will never win a title with sezer and williams, we wont even make top 8.
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zim wrote: August 16, 2018, 1:12 pm
greeneyed wrote: August 15, 2018, 10:01 pm Well, the podcast from Ricky Stuart today said he was thinking of Wighton at No. 1 or 6 for next year. Cotric at wing or centre only.

Not asked about Rapana at fullback....

IMO... Brad Abbey is unable to fill the fullback role at NRL level. So that leaves Rapana as the option there.
I think the Cotric comment had a bit more context: Cotric is a wing or centre (right now, without a preseason at fullback if Wighton moves to 6). He hasn't ruled out Cotric playing fullback next year.
Agree that Abbey isn't a first grade level fullback.
Yes. Good context Zim.
He also said you need 18 months to get your FB legs.
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I'm sure we'll all calmly wait while he grows into the role ;)
Really highlights how crazy talented guys like Trbojevic and Ponga are.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

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Maybe he's thinking of playing Toots at Fullback... Oldfield on the wing outside cotric...

Who am i kidding, that at least sounds plausible. It'll be Sia at fullback, Papalli five eighth and williams in the front row.
I found a moon rock in my nose....
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