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Flanagan is a dodgy sort of coach. His reign at Cronulla has been subject to some very suspicious activity.

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Cut the Sharks from the comp. already, they're a blight on the game.
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dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 1:08 pm Flanagan is a dodgy sort of coach. His reign at Cronulla has been subject to some very suspicious activity.

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I'd take a dodgy coach who delivers a premiership any day then what we've had the last 20 odd years.
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I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

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dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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BigPapa wrote:
dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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Integrity + NRL = 0 premierships
I'm really struggling to remember the last premiers who didn't have some sort of asterisks against them.

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gergreg wrote: November 28, 2018, 9:22 pm
BigPapa wrote:
dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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I'm really struggling to remember the last premiers who didn't have some sort of asterisks against them.

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The last ones?
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edwahu wrote:
gergreg wrote: November 28, 2018, 9:22 pm
BigPapa wrote:
dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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I'm really struggling to remember the last premiers who didn't have some sort of asterisks against them.

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The last ones?
As in the premiers in the last few years. Actually, maybe Cowboys?

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So... is SJ officially a Shark yet? I haven’t seen anything to say he is other than rumour posts.

I think I should still hold out hope...

If we don’t land SJ and the Sharks do does Chad Townsend and/or Kyle Flanagan become available or a target for us?


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Johnson will be a shark then a Rooster from 2020
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Dusty wrote: November 29, 2018, 5:59 am So... is SJ officially a Shark yet? I haven’t seen anything to say he is other than rumour posts.

I think I should still hold out hope...

If we don’t land SJ and the Sharks do does Chad Townsend and/or Kyle Flanagan become available or a target for us?


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Useless fact - Chad Townsend has apparently won premierships in every grade he has contested.

I remembered that fact back when he made his debut, there was an article asking whether his streak would continue in 1st Grade. I don’t know how many others can hold that claim


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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: November 29, 2018, 8:20 am Useless fact - Chad Townsend has apparently won premierships in every grade he has contested.

I remembered that fact back when he made his debut, there was an article asking whether his streak would continue in 1st Grade. I don’t know how many others can hold that claim


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So, Maloney and Chad are the bringers of premierships?
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If we could cut Williams or Sezer for Chad I would be for it. He is a minor upgrade on those two.
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It would be a great example of where we sit as a club in the pecking order of life if an Elite half comes on the market, and in the musical chairs game of recruitment we end up with Chad Townsend.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 29, 2018, 9:38 am If we could cut Williams or Sezer for Chad I would be for it. He is a minor upgrade on those two.
Chad Townsend isnt a better or more talented player than either of our guys. He's just in a better team with a better coach.
i doubt under this coach Townsend would move the needle at all for us. Although he's a significantly better defender, so there is that.
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He does have amazing hair. It's exceptional.

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gergreg wrote:He does have amazing hair. It's exceptional.

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I agree, he makes Fuis match ups. Similar vein as Rick Kelly
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
gergreg wrote:He does have amazing hair. It's exceptional.

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I agree, he makes Fuis match ups. Similar vein as Rick Kelly
Add Fabian Coultard tonthat list.


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Pigman wrote: November 29, 2018, 11:05 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 29, 2018, 9:38 am If we could cut Williams or Sezer for Chad I would be for it. He is a minor upgrade on those two.
Chad Townsend isnt a better or more talented player than either of our guys. He's just in a better team with a better coach.
i doubt under this coach Townsend would move the needle at all for us. Although he's a significantly better defender, so there is that.
I'd take him over Williams as you can plan around his defence.

Sezer is interesting. I'd have Townsend over him, but half of the problem with Sezer is that he is asked to do way too much at the Raiders that is beyond his skill set. It is like he is asked to be the Stuart/Johns/Thurston that completely controls our team, playing this way exposes his flaws more than if he took a step back.
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Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 29, 2018, 12:46 pm
Pigman wrote: November 29, 2018, 11:05 am
Roger Kenworthy wrote: November 29, 2018, 9:38 am If we could cut Williams or Sezer for Chad I would be for it. He is a minor upgrade on those two.
Chad Townsend isnt a better or more talented player than either of our guys. He's just in a better team with a better coach.
i doubt under this coach Townsend would move the needle at all for us. Although he's a significantly better defender, so there is that.
I'd take him over Williams as you can plan around his defence.

Sezer is interesting. I'd have Townsend over him, but half of the problem with Sezer is that he is asked to do way too much at the Raiders that is beyond his skill set. It is like he is asked to be the Stuart/Johns/Thurston that completely controls our team, playing this way exposes his flaws more than if he took a step back.
I think i would too for Williams, like ive said before, we can score points and we dont need our halves to do it. We need defence.

Re: Sezer, that's the exact role he played at the Titans, and i'd have more to say but there is no point relitigating it. He is a totally different player at the Raiders than he was at the Titans, and this version of him stinks. I dont know how to explain it except it fits entirely with Stuart's history coaching halves.

I dont believe Chad Townsend could thrive in this team, and whilst we'd be better defensively with Townsend over Williams, I'm not sure once you get him here and you're getting the R.Stuart version of Chad Townsend, it's a needle mover.

The only way i see success under this coach as far as halves go, is IMO, we basically need to overpay a proven, established elite half, for arguments sake, say James Maloney, and accept that the Stuart factor will bring their level of play down to an above average half. Basically we have to pay ABOVE market for James Maloney, knowing we're really getting Ben Hunt.
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One of the things I've noticed in Sezer's game that has changed between when he was at the Titans to when he moved to the Raiders is that he doesn't seem to be able to kick it as far? The times I watched him play at the Titans he was often clearing the fullbacks head with his long range kicks which would be a horror for the fullbacks positioning.

Maybe I just happened to watch Sezer's Titans games on windy days
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Sid wrote: November 29, 2018, 2:13 pm One of the things I've noticed in Sezer's game that has changed between when he was at the Titans to when he moved to the Raiders is that he doesn't seem to be able to kick it as far? The times I watched him play at the Titans he was often clearing the fullbacks head with his long range kicks which would be a horror for the fullbacks positioning.


Maybe I just happened to watch Sezer's Titans games on windy days
I'm probably wrong but maybe it is tactical and an attempt to minimise the 7 tackle set. Considering the size of our pack over the years he has probably been instructed to be conservative with the long kick to reduce 7 tackle sets and this also ties in with the early set kicks.

Don't think it is working for us though.
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On Sezer's kicking;
I'm not sure it is all tactical. Remember once or twice last year he took an intercept, went about 10 meters and then slowed like he's been shot. I don't think he was buggered after 10m, but I think he felt he was one long stride away from a torn hammy/groin.

It reminded me a lot of how Ricky used to look when he had multiple soft tissue niggles and was smart enough to get through the hole, but then couldn't go anywhere.

I think Sezer has been nursing his legs along for large parts of a season and can't quite kick with a full clean swing, just a shorter stab at the ball.
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dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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BigPapa wrote: November 29, 2018, 5:10 pm
dubby wrote: November 28, 2018, 6:24 pm I'd rather have my integrity thanks.

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BadnMean wrote: November 29, 2018, 3:46 pm Remember once or twice last year he took an intercept, went about 10 meters and then slowed like he's been shot. I don't think he was buggered after 10m, but I think he felt he was one long stride away from a torn hammy/groin.

It reminded me a lot of how Ricky used to look when he had multiple soft tissue niggles and was smart enough to get through the hole, but then couldn't go anywhere.
The one your thinking of i am almost certain Sezer was playing at 60% at best with a hamstring injury. I think he came into the game in huge doubt. I mean he's not a speedster by any measure but it was clear in that game that he was not close to fully healthy
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Pigman wrote: November 29, 2018, 6:10 pm
BadnMean wrote: November 29, 2018, 3:46 pm Remember once or twice last year he took an intercept, went about 10 meters and then slowed like he's been shot. I don't think he was buggered after 10m, but I think he felt he was one long stride away from a torn hammy/groin.

It reminded me a lot of how Ricky used to look when he had multiple soft tissue niggles and was smart enough to get through the hole, but then couldn't go anywhere.
The one your thinking of i am almost certain Sezer was playing at 60% at best with a hamstring injury. I think he came into the game in huge doubt. I mean he's not a speedster by any measure but it was clear in that game that he was not close to fully healthy
We had to rush him back because 1 of the other 2 had gone down. So yes, he was under done
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Matt wrote: November 29, 2018, 8:43 pm
Pigman wrote: November 29, 2018, 6:10 pm
BadnMean wrote: November 29, 2018, 3:46 pm Remember once or twice last year he took an intercept, went about 10 meters and then slowed like he's been shot. I don't think he was buggered after 10m, but I think he felt he was one long stride away from a torn hammy/groin.

It reminded me a lot of how Ricky used to look when he had multiple soft tissue niggles and was smart enough to get through the hole, but then couldn't go anywhere.
The one your thinking of i am almost certain Sezer was playing at 60% at best with a hamstring injury. I think he came into the game in huge doubt. I mean he's not a speedster by any measure but it was clear in that game that he was not close to fully healthy
We had to rush him back because 1 of the other 2 had gone down. So yes, he was under done
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Lets face it. As long as Ricky is here, we won't be signing any title contending halves. He just doesn't want a 6 or 7 that will come into the club and better than he was. We'll settle for someone like Trent Hodkinson although id be happy to take Lachlan Croker back. Both players will be competing for the #6 jersey for next season along with Kane Elgey. Still have Ata Hingano in the squad but its just a matter of him finding some good form like he was when he came through the ranks at the warriors. I don't think he'll find that form while playing in he middle. He needs to go back to wearing the 7.

While we're a bit short on the front row stocks, we should be throwing some money at
- Tom Burgess 1 season : Only 1 season so Emre Guler and Liam Knight can get used to playing first grade footy consistently. Would fit in well as we quite a few English lads here already.
- Joe Ofahengaue Long Term : Good player that brings lots of energy. Can fill in anywhere in the forward pack and would take him over Dunamis Lui any day of the week.
- Tino Fa'asuamaleaui Long Term : Melbourne Storm young gun. Big lad at 197 cm and around 105-110kg. Can play anywhere in the forward pack. Theres some big wraps on him.
- Ava Seumanufagai ? : Big lad who posses a strong carry. Can play some decent minutes as he averaged around 26 minutes per game in his 14 appearances last season. Would take him as an impact forward off the bench.
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d-train wrote: November 30, 2018, 11:49 am Lets face it. As long as Ricky is here, we won't be signing any title contending halves. He just doesn't want a 6 or 7 that will come into the club and better than he was. We'll settle for someone like Trent Hodkinson although id be happy to take Lachlan Croker back. Both players will be competing for the #6 jersey for next season along with Kane Elgey. Still have Ata Hingano in the squad but its just a matter of him finding some good form like he was when he came through the ranks at the warriors. I don't think he'll find that form while playing in he middle. He needs to go back to wearing the 7.

While we're a bit short on the front row stocks, we should be throwing some money at
- Tom Burgess 1 season : Only 1 season so Emre Guler and Liam Knight can get used to playing first grade footy consistently. Would fit in well as we quite a few English lads here already.
- Joe Ofahengaue Long Term : Good player that brings lots of energy. Can fill in anywhere in the forward pack and would take him over Dunamis Lui any day of the week.
- Tino Fa'asuamaleaui Long Term : Melbourne Storm young gun. Big lad at 197 cm and around 105-110kg. Can play anywhere in the forward pack. Theres some big wraps on him.
- Ava Seumanufagai ? : Big lad who posses a strong carry. Can play some decent minutes as he averaged around 26 minutes per game in his 14 appearances last season. Would take him as an impact forward off the bench.
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Joe O would be a good signing, probably cost us 800k though.
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Knights want Wighton and so his manager has informed the Raiders.
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