Raiders player signing speculation 2018

[Botman]

I read last night that Gallen and the other players have publicly said they're filthy at him and then Cronulla went for the immediate release, i'd be surprised if Holmes ever went back there.

As an aside, Gallen is a crack up. His rationale for being filthy is that Holmes is being selfish and left Cronulla in a hole for the 2019 season. Top call on that buddy, you just go off and have a few boxing matches in the offseason to line your pockets and hope you don't get a season ending injury that would be detrimental to the 2019 Cronulla season

Disclaimer: Gallen injured for 2019 unlikely to be detrimental to Cronulla's season.

You're comparing the club captain, who despite the ramblings of some on this site has been a pretty good clubman, to a bloke who has walked out on his club at the start of preseason? C'mon you're reaching a little.

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How about this?
Gallen is pissing and moaning about the integrity of the league when he's a systematic doper who was never punished accordingly and has a long illustrious history of incidents that lack integrity. He can STFU about integrity. He has none, he's speaking from a position of zero experience or knowledge.

As for what Holmes is doing, leaving a contract early? This is the business now. Let's not forget the Sharks played a major role in enticing Seg to break his contract early only 12 months ago in hopes he could help them make a title run?
Where was Gal's claims of integrity then?
Let's not forget, as Woodgers states, PG puts his season on the line every off season to legally assault some human punching bag for extra cash and lets ALWAYS remember that Gallen looks after himself first and foremost AS EVERY ATHLETE should because these clubs dont really give a **** about the players.

Val could sign a long term deal today and if things panned out in such a way, the Sharks would have NO issues shopping him and his contract to other clubs if they felt it was best for their club. They do it all the time, clubs get out from under bad contracts as much as players do. The clubs have as much interest in adhering to contractual agreements as the players do. So why is the onus on the players to be so loyal and honest when the clubs never are?

I genuinely hate the way sports positions its fans to always blindly support the team over the players who act in the same manner.
**** the clubs. These players have 10 years of their athletic prime, before they disappear into obscurity and some **** job with broken bodies. Holmes doesn't owe the Sharks or Gallen a damn thing.
Holmes should do whatever he feels is best for him and no one else.

The only reason Gallen is upset is because he knows he cant have a fairytale ending, which he absolutely does not deserve.

Holmes will never make it in the NFL IMO, just as Hayne never did, not in any real sense. Hayne was a better athlete and was a total liability in the NFL and "retired" before he was cut and fuzz got him for a claim not too dissimilar to the one he's facing right now. But i got no qualms with a dude trying his hand at it.

Gal can honestly just sit in the corner, and cry into a pile of peptides

[greeneyed]

There’s little doubt, Gallen is a disgrace to himself, his club and the code.

[VictorTheViking]

Seriously why the **** are y'all debating this **** in a thread titled raiders signing speculation....the sharks have nothing to do with it :/

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[Botman]

Seriously why the **** are y'all debating this **** in a thread titled raiders signing speculation....the sharks have nothing to do with it :/

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It's **** November, and it's a **** internet forum.
Honestly.

[greeneyed]

I think the reason it came up is that two potential Raiders targets (Johnson and Johnston) could now be Sharks targets.

[Botman]

also it's a fluid conversation...

Guy: Hey did you hear about the raiders being close to getting Alex Johnston?
THAT Guy: Yeah i did, that'd be interesting.
Guy: The Holmes situation could change things though. Boy Gal wasnt happy about that.
THAT Guy: Woah, woah, woah! We're talking about the RAIDERS here, not the sharks. Back on topic thanks!

Dont be THAT guy.
THAT guy is a ****.

[VictorTheViking]

Seriously why the **** are y'all debating this **** in a thread titled raiders signing speculation....the sharks have nothing to do with it :/

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It's **** November, and it's a **** internet forum.
Honestly.

What's your point??? Read the title of the thread.

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[gerg]

I read last night that Gallen and the other players have publicly said they're filthy at him and then Cronulla went for the immediate release, i'd be surprised if Holmes ever went back there.

As an aside, Gallen is a crack up. His rationale for being filthy is that Holmes is being selfish and left Cronulla in a hole for the 2019 season. Top call on that buddy, you just go off and have a few boxing matches in the offseason to line your pockets and hope you don't get a season ending injury that would be detrimental to the 2019 Cronulla season

Disclaimer: Gallen injured for 2019 unlikely to be detrimental to Cronulla's season.

You're comparing the club captain, who despite the ramblings of some on this site has been a pretty good clubman, to a bloke who has walked out on his club at the start of preseason? C'mon you're reaching a little.

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How about this?
Gallen is pissing and moaning about the integrity of the league when he's a systematic doper who was never punished accordingly and has a long illustrious history of incidents that lack integrity. He can STFU about integrity. He has none, he's speaking from a position of zero experience or knowledge.

As for what Holmes is doing, leaving a contract early? This is the business now. Let's not forget the Sharks played a major role in enticing Seg to break his contract early only 12 months ago in hopes he could help them make a title run?
Where was Gal's claims of integrity then?
Let's not forget, as Woodgers states, PG puts his season on the line every off season to legally assault some human punching bag for extra cash and lets ALWAYS remember that Gallen looks after himself first and foremost AS EVERY ATHLETE should because these clubs dont really give a **** about the players.

Val could sign a long term deal today and if things panned out in such a way, the Sharks would have NO issues shopping him and his contract to other clubs if they felt it was best for their club. They do it all the time, clubs get out from under bad contracts as much as players do. The clubs have as much interest in adhering to contractual agreements as the players do. So why is the onus on the players to be so loyal and honest when the clubs never are?

I genuinely hate the way sports positions its fans to always blindly support the team over the players who act in the same manner.
**** the clubs. These players have 10 years of their athletic prime, before they disappear into obscurity and some **** job with broken bodies. Holmes doesn't owe the Sharks or Gallen a damn thing.
Holmes should do whatever he feels is best for him and no one else.

The only reason Gallen is upset is because he knows he cant have a fairytale ending, which he absolutely does not deserve.

Holmes will never make it in the NFL IMO, just as Hayne never did, not in any real sense. Hayne was a better athlete and was a total liability in the NFL and "retired" before he was cut and fuzz got him for a claim not too dissimilar to the one he's facing right now. But i got no qualms with a dude trying his hand at it.

Gal can honestly just sit in the corner, and cry into a pile of peptides

All fair points.

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[Schifty]

Wonder what Gallen said when Hayne went over?


https://twitter.com/PaulGallen13/status ... 9aWp_3kNXA

[greeneyed]

The guy is surely the biggest tool to pull on a football boot.

Can anyone name a bigger jerk than Gallen?

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Interesting to read. Was Paul Gallen this outspoken when it came to players taking peptides? Shouldn’t they have been banned for life, because this was a far worse crime then gaining a release from a club to pursue an NFL career.

[Raiders666]

Seriously why the **** are y'all debating this **** in a thread titled raiders signing speculation....the sharks have nothing to do with it :/

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Stay on topic please.

[Northern Raider]

The guy is surely the biggest tool to pull on a football boot.

Can anyone name a bigger jerk than Gallen?

Fifita and Dugan would be close. No wonder Holmes wants out of that place.

Going back further Julian O’Neill is the one that jumps into my head. He was a hall of fame jerk.

[edwahu]

I don't agree that Holmes should be banned nor do I think it would be legal, but I also think the Sharks would've been perfectly entitled to expect him to see his contract out given the terms. Holmes and other players need to include exit clauses if they want to pursue these sort of deals, then he wouldn't need to force a release or breach his contract.

No doubt the clubs also a screw players over and the whole system could be a lot better, but it's a two way street.

[greeneyed]

The Sharks didn't have to release him. There is a contract, and both parties have to agree that it be broken. I agree that Holmes shouldn't just be allowed to walk out. Players have responsibilities.

[BadnMean]

Clause stating; Player walks out= player pays out remainder value of his contract. That would sort it out. If legal.

Clubs pay out if they sack without cause. Player pays if he walks for selfish reasons.

They all want long term security then respect it when it is given.

[edwahu]

Moves within the NRL could be covered from both sides by a trade system, there is basically an unnofficial one now. Moves to other codes just need to be stated as a option for the player up front, if they find they end up on lesser deals as a result that's the cost.

[FuiFui BradBrad]

Yeah, I think I agree Ed. If the club had proper transfer window and introduced transfer fees like they have in Soccer, I think I would be more comfortable.


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[dubby]

There’s little doubt, Gallen is a disgrace to himself, his club and the code.

Can't argue with you. He's not alone, either.

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[-PJ-]

I don't like Paul Gallen..

[Ruben Daley]

All of them went on to win premierships with other clubs, I believe.

That doesnt actually say anything about the player or their personal skills or ability but anyway..

I agree with JezTez (also didn’t think the above comment warranted the backlash). Lots of successful players in your list, GE but don’t reckon many of them were the key factor in that success.

Just a quick comparison off the top of my head of guys other clubs have let go to us (included NRL options in brackets to pre-empt arguments against the Poms):

Luke Priddis v Josh Hodgson (Siliva Havili)
Luke Phillips v Jordan Rapana
Ben Kennedy v Joe Tapine
Brent Kite v Junior Paulo/Tom Learoyd-Lahrs
Luke Williamson v Elliott Whitehead (Bronson Harrison)
Michael Monaghan v Aidan Sezer
Jamie Soward v Blake Austin
Michael Robertson v Blake Ferguson
Jarred Lawrence v say what?
Mark Bryant v David Shillington

We lose a few of those head-to-heads but overall I think we do pretty well there. In fact, I reckon we win.

As much as I would normally agree with you RD, I can't on this one.
Luke Priddis won Premierships with 2 other clubs after leaving the Raiders. He could play. Hodgo has tremendous skills but in his 4 years to date those skills have not led to a Premiership. (We kept Germ instead of Priddis when in terms of skill level there is no comparison.)
Ben Kennedy won a comp with the Knights and was a regular in the Kangaroos pack and NSW SOO. Tapine has potential and has played for NZ but his ill discipline means he misses matches for the Raiders.
Brent Kite played for Australia and you think Michelin Man Paulo and injury prone TLL were better??

When this was written were you on the JD's RD?

Nah, I didn’t mean those guys on the right were better individually. I was a big fan of Kite, Kennedy was the first Raider I remember thinking of as a traitor and everyone felt the same about Priddis v Woolford. I just meant the two lists were comparable.

I reckon Hodgo would have led both the Panthers and Broncos to premierships, and I don’t think we’d have been any better off with peak Priddis here over the last four years.

Reckon the same is true if you swapped Rapa, Fergo, Elliott and Shillo for their counterparts.

[Rick]

Are we signing Paul Gallen?


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[LP Raider]

I wonder what Gal thinks of his team mate Dugan.

Funny how when Hayne went over it was spun to be great for rugby league.

[Beejay]

The gist of what Gallen said is correct. Valentine walked out on his teammates and effectively told the club he's leaving, he didn't negociate his release before saying he was gone. It was handled in a pretty arrogant way.

Also two things can be true; Paul Gallen's outspoken way in the media and willingness to say things that are true but controversial is refreshing and entertaining. Also Paul Gallen is a grub and will do anything to win, and he is selfish and only cares about his own success.

[Beejay]

Also we should have signed Ben Barba when we had the chance, and put Wighton to 6.

[Matt]

The gist of what Gallen said is correct. Valentine walked out on his teammates and effectively told the club he's leaving, he didn't negociate his release before saying he was gone. It was handled in a pretty arrogant way.

Also two things can be true; Paul Gallen's outspoken way in the media and willingness to say things that are true but controversial is refreshing and entertaining. Also Paul Gallen is a grub and will do anything to win, and he is selfish and only cares about his own success.

Agreed mate.

Gal has every right to be POed about Val leaving. Nothing in it, except for it being Gal, who no one can stand.

Im also confident that Val will get a reality check when he gets over there.

[reptar]

The guy is surely the biggest tool to pull on a football boot.

Can anyone name a bigger jerk than Gallen?

Fifita and Dugan would be close. No wonder Holmes wants out of that place.

Going back further Julian O’Neill is the one that jumps into my head. He was a hall of fame jerk.

Just ask the guy in the shark suit in Port Macquarie.

[julian87]

Haha wasn’t it a kid too?

[reptar]

Haha wasn’t it a kid too?

Yes. Set him on fire and jumped off the boat to swim to shore

[luke]

Haha wasn’t it a kid too?

Yes. Set him on fire and jumped off the boat to swim to shore

and hitchhiked back to Port Macquarie

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/dad-sl ... di837.html

[BJ]

It’s great that Gallen speaks his mind!

It’s just a pity he’s so small minded and pea brained.

[RedRaider]

The guy is surely the biggest tool to pull on a football boot.

Can anyone name a bigger jerk than Gallen?

Fifita and Dugan would be close. No wonder Holmes wants out of that place.

Going back further Julian O’Neill is the one that jumps into my head. He was a hall of fame jerk.

Just ask the guy in the shark suit in Port Macquarie.

Not to mention what O'Neill left in 'Schlossys shoe' at a motel once.
He was an A grade grub of the lowest order. Qld representative I believe.

[Green eyed Mick]

There’s little doubt, Gallen is a disgrace to himself, his club and the code.

The Sharks were a disgrace before Gallen and will remain that way after he retires.

[RedRaider]

But would you take their current coach Gem? I would.

[edwahu]

I'd take their whole front and back office.

[nemesis]

the Gallen speculation thread