LP Raider wrote:How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.
His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
The club just used the “not playing overs” excuse to cover up that they over estimated what the cap was going to be 2019 and it was very much welcome when other clubs came knocking for them. They were never serious with their offers to those players
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It was widely reported that the Raiders overestimated the 2018 cap by 300k, they got under the cap with the moves like Edrick Lee and Kurt Baptiste.
If we can't afford sign TPJ it has exactly ZERO to do with the 2018 cap situation. And EVERYTHING to do with the fact the club, under Stuart, Mulholland and Furner are paying a lot of average/good players like they're rep players, and a lot of below average players like they're good starters
LP Raider wrote:How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.
His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
The club just used the “not playing overs” excuse to cover up that they over estimated what the cap was going to be 2019 and it was very much welcome when other clubs came knocking for them. They were never serious with their offers to those players
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It was widely reported that the Raiders overestimated the 2018 cap by 300k, they got under the cap with the moves like Edrick Lee and Kurt Baptiste.
If we can't afford sign TPJ it has exactly ZERO to do with the 2018 cap situation. And EVERYTHING to do with the fact the club, under Stuart, Mulholland and Furner are paying a lot of average/good players like they're rep players, and a lot of below average players like they're good starters
They over cooked it for 2019 as well. They thought they had $9.9m cap limit but it came in at $9.4. If Austin took the $700k we would have been in a world of pain
LP Raider wrote:How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.
His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
The club just used the “not playing overs” excuse to cover up that they over estimated what the cap was going to be 2019 and it was very much welcome when other clubs came knocking for them. They were never serious with their offers to those players
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It was widely reported that the Raiders overestimated the 2018 cap by 300k, they got under the cap with the moves like Edrick Lee and Kurt Baptiste.
If we can't afford sign TPJ it has exactly ZERO to do with the 2018 cap situation. And EVERYTHING to do with the fact the club, under Stuart, Mulholland and Furner are paying a lot of average/good players like they're rep players, and a lot of below average players like they're good starters
They over cooked it for 2019 as well. They thought they had $9.9m cap limit but it came in at $9.4. If Austin took the $700k we would have been in a world of pain
LP Raider wrote:How can we not have cash for TPJ, Boyd left not because we didn't have money but because the Raiders weren't prepared to pay what he was asking.
His position hasn't been filled unless I'm missing someone, there's also Paulo.
The club just used the “not playing overs” excuse to cover up that they over estimated what the cap was going to be 2019 and it was very much welcome when other clubs came knocking for them. They were never serious with their offers to those players
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It was widely reported that the Raiders overestimated the 2018 cap by 300k, they got under the cap with the moves like Edrick Lee and Kurt Baptiste.
If we can't afford sign TPJ it has exactly ZERO to do with the 2018 cap situation. And EVERYTHING to do with the fact the club, under Stuart, Mulholland and Furner are paying a lot of average/good players like they're rep players, and a lot of below average players like they're good starters
They over cooked it for 2019 as well. They thought they had $9.9m cap limit but it came in at $9.4. If Austin took the $700k we would have been in a world of pain
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Supershamrock wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
It's going to absolutely suck next season when our ex 'premier' props play better against us than they ever did for us, just to prove a point.
Neither seem like the point proving type to me.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Boyd is back before long.
The NRL is looking at having all offers to players lodged, so if a player accepts a ridiculously low offer over a better one they will need a clear reason. The same thing they ignored for Milford when we raised it.
Unfortunately the reasons also include "living near the beach".
It is well known clubs have recruited players with the offer of a new home for a family member. Why has this sort of thing not investigated by the NRL? Why does the NRL not make clear this sort of thing is not permitted?
The idea that "living by the beach" is an acceptable reason to accept a much, much lower offer... well that shows how ridiculous the NRL is.
Supershamrock wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
It's going to absolutely suck next season when our ex 'premier' props play better against us than they ever did for us, just to prove a point.
That's a stupid thought because if they proved the point they were worth it while asking for it they would still be in a raiders jersey
Supershamrock wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
It's going to absolutely suck next season when our ex 'premier' props play better against us than they ever did for us, just to prove a point.
That's a stupid thought because if they proved the point they were worth it while asking for it they would still be in a raiders jersey
But we know, sure as eggs, it is going to happen. Shannon Boyd and Junior Paulo were passengers this season, Boyd has been a passenger for two seasons. And they'll no doubt get a "new lease of life" elsewhere. This is man managment and coaching that is at fault, as well as the fault of the players.
greeneyed wrote:It is well known clubs have recruited players with the offer of a new home for a family member. Why has this sort of thing not investigated by the NRL? Why does the NRL not make clear this sort of thing is not permitted?
The idea that "living by the beach" is an acceptable reason to accept a much, much lower offer... well that shows how ridiculous the NRL is.
Yeah I don’t get it. Don’t players have a value range depending on experience, rep games etc?
I seem to remember this was an excuse used to deny Parra signing Folau. What they were offering was lower than what he was valued at. But someone can take a pay cut because they want to be close to the beach?
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Supershamrock wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
It's going to absolutely suck next season when our ex 'premier' props play better against us than they ever did for us, just to prove a point.
Neither seem like the point proving type to me.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Boyd is back before long.
Of all the former Raiders playing in the NRL next year he'd be the most likely to return IMO.
Supershamrock wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 5:39 pm
It's going to absolutely suck next season when our ex 'premier' props play better against us than they ever did for us, just to prove a point.
That's a stupid thought because if they proved the point they were worth it while asking for it they would still be in a raiders jersey
But we know, sure as eggs, it is going to happen. Shannon Boyd and Junior Paulo were passengers this season, Boyd has been a passenger for two seasons. And they'll no doubt get a "new lease of life" elsewhere. This is man managment and coaching that is at fault, as well as the fault of the players.
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 6:30 pm
The idea that "living by the beach" is an acceptable reason to accept a much, much lower offer... well that shows how ridiculous the NRL is.
It's actually not, look at the population in the country and how it's dispersed. Lifestyle matters. Particularly to young, carefree athletes who are b-c grade celebrities.
You dont have to like it, but it's a major factor.
The NRL should not accept it as a reason if they're to be a professional, unbiased sports administration. Would the NFL accept this sort of rubbish? No. Get back in your box on this one!
Tom Brady's been the best QB in the league for a decade and has played on WELL below market deals the entire time. Fair to say they dont give the faintest **** about this, what a player and club agree to in terms of contractual arrangements it non of their business.
So perhaps it you and your box who need to be reacquainted. People like living near the beach and are frequently willing to work for less to do so. That's life.
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greeneyed wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 6:30 pm
The idea that "living by the beach" is an acceptable reason to accept a much, much lower offer... well that shows how ridiculous the NRL is.
It's actually not, look at the population in the country and how it's dispersed. Lifestyle matters. Particularly to young, carefree athletes who are b-c grade celebrities.
You dont have to like it, but it's a major factor.
Fair enough, but if the NRL gets to the point that it's writing it down in policy then its time to move away from a flat cap.
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 6:30 pm
The idea that "living by the beach" is an acceptable reason to accept a much, much lower offer... well that shows how ridiculous the NRL is.
It's actually not, look at the population in the country and how it's dispersed. Lifestyle matters. Particularly to young, carefree athletes who are b-c grade celebrities.
You dont have to like it, but it's a major factor.
Fair enough, but if the NRL is at the point that it's writing it down in policy then its time to move away from a flat cap.
Yep, agreed. If they're finally conceding that location is a factor, and they actually mean it when they say they want parity, the entire salary cap system probably needs to be burnt to the ground and a new system installed
id argue given the fact every other year some team is busted for abuse of the current system is reason enough to burn it down and start again, but that's me
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You simply CANNOT accept... "I'd rather live by the beach" to accept that a say, $500k difference between deals is acceptable.
If they do... they need to start again... and give the Raiders a $500k loading, a $1m loading so as to attract players away from the beach! It's ridiculous to think otherwise!
Pigman wrote:Tom Brady's been the best QB in the league for a decade and has played on WELL below market deals the entire time. Fair to say they dont give the faintest **** about this, what a player and club agree to in terms of contractual arrangements it non of their business.
So perhaps it you and your box who need to be reacquainted. People like living near the beach and are frequently willing to work for less to do so. That's life.
I agree with this but thats going to the extreme. Tom Brady would never need to count the dollars he earns on and off the field.....and that not even counting the income from his wife.
I agree the lifestyle factor too....and up to $100k I can even see it.....but to take unders @ $150k.....$200k or even more.....thats shady as *****. You just know that the diff will be made up for somehow someway.
Don was very proud to announce to the fans that he was spending the entire salary cap on a team which finished 10 last year and 10th this year. Some players combined with same head coach produced the same place on the competition ladder. Whodathunkit.
Don if you are determined to simply spend the entire cap then you will inevitably over pay mediocrity. Even the Sharks have publicly announced they will be $500k under the cap this year and they are comfortably in the Top 4. All hunger to perform evaporates when players know the clubs cap has maxed out. Some will begin to dial it in. Thankfully some of those players won't be with the Raiders next year.
Gee the NRL has problems the Dogs vs Dragons in yesterday’s last game of the season had a crowd of just over 12,000. Now this is one of the main code in Australia but on Sunday there were, 15,500 people crammed into North Sydney Oval on Saturday for the Shute Shield final between Sydney University and the Warringah Rats.
InFernos_Raiders wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 1:24 am
Gee the NRL has problems the Dogs vs Dragons in yesterday’s last game of the season had a crowd of just over 12,000. Now this is one of the main code in Australia but on Sunday there were, 15,500 people crammed into North Sydney Oval on Saturday for the Shute Shield final between Sydney University and the Warringah Rats.
There were over 10,000 at central coast stadium to watch Bolt trial against a team made of players from the central coast amateur league.
InFernos_Raiders wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 1:24 am
Gee the NRL has problems the Dogs vs Dragons in yesterday’s last game of the season had a crowd of just over 12,000. Now this is one of the main code in Australia but on Sunday there were, 15,500 people crammed into North Sydney Oval on Saturday for the Shute Shield final between Sydney University and the Warringah Rats.
There were over 10,000 at central coast stadium to watch Bolt trial against a team made of players from the central coast amateur league.
greeneyed wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 9:21 pm
You simply CANNOT accept... "I'd rather live by the beach" to accept that a say, $500k difference between deals is acceptable.
If they do... they need to start again... and give the Raiders a $500k loading, a $1m loading so as to attract players away from the beach! It's ridiculous to think otherwise!
Would depend on personal circumstances... but plenty of people take less money in their careers to live in areas which are considered better... my wife could go and work in Dubbo and earn a ton more money than she does... but we dont want to live in Dubbo and make a plenty good living here in Canberra.
InFernos_Raiders wrote: ↑September 4, 2018, 1:24 am
Gee the NRL has problems the Dogs vs Dragons in yesterday’s last game of the season had a crowd of just over 12,000. Now this is one of the main code in Australia but on Sunday there were, 15,500 people crammed into North Sydney Oval on Saturday for the Shute Shield final between Sydney University and the Warringah Rats.
There were over 10,000 at central coast stadium to watch Bolt trial against a team made of players from the central coast amateur league.
Bloody good night it was too!
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greeneyed wrote: ↑September 3, 2018, 9:21 pm
You simply CANNOT accept... "I'd rather live by the beach" to accept that a say, $500k difference between deals is acceptable.
If they do... they need to start again... and give the Raiders a $500k loading, a $1m loading so as to attract players away from the beach! It's ridiculous to think otherwise!
Would depend on personal circumstances... but plenty of people take less money in their careers to live in areas which are considered better... my wife could go and work in Dubbo and earn a ton more money than she does... but we dont want to live in Dubbo and make a plenty good living here in Canberra.
Why would players be any different?
Plenty of people I know living on the sunny Coast for less $ to have a great lifestyle