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He was rubbish earlier in the year but after being dropped has really turned it around. It's a good buy for them as a 4th prop.
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Matt wrote: August 13, 2018, 2:59 pm
zim wrote: August 13, 2018, 2:53 pm
Matt wrote: August 13, 2018, 2:48 pm Sounds like Elgey is off to Manly next yr.
Was confirmed earlier today:
https://www.seaeagles.com.au/news/2018/ ... ea-eagles/
Id only seen the Zero Tackle post, but cool, thanks.
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So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
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chris83 wrote: August 13, 2018, 3:58 pm So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
John Bateman is a far better player, for a longer time than Sue has been good. The dogs have done well with what they have.
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chris83 wrote: August 13, 2018, 3:58 pm So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
John Bateman is a far better player, for a longer time than Sue has been good. The dogs have done well with what they have.
I've come around to j Bateman, he's at least a 12 test rep

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I'd take J Bateman over Sue, but Sue over Sutton.
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bonehead wrote: August 13, 2018, 4:07 pm
zim wrote:
chris83 wrote: August 13, 2018, 3:58 pm So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
John Bateman is a far better player, for a longer time than Sue has been good. The dogs have done well with what they have.
I've come around to j Bateman, he's at least a 12 test rep
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But how much did pom bateman cost?
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chris83 wrote: August 13, 2018, 4:17 pm But how much did pom bateman cost?
No idea. Be safe to assume it's more than Sue considering he's a got a much better record as a player.
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chris83 wrote:But how much did pom bateman cost?
Our dignity, judging by his contract conditions.

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Captain Punish wrote: August 13, 2018, 4:43 pm
chris83 wrote:But how much did pom bateman cost?
Our dignity, judging by his contract conditions.

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is there a dignity cap? coz I think Raiders have blown that too
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Captain Punish wrote: August 13, 2018, 4:43 pm
chris83 wrote:But how much did pom bateman cost?
Our dignity, judging by his contract conditions.

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is there a dignity cap? coz I think Raiders have blown that to0
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chris83 wrote:So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
Yep, the Raiders cap position was probably on par with the Bulldogs. Austin, Paulo and Boyd leaving was a blessing for Raiders management


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I tell you what if I was any player coming to the Raiders now who signed a deal longer than 2 years I would be putting a performance term into the contract like they do in formula one racing. A get out clause where if the team doesn’t make the top 8 they can get an early release


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Timbo wrote: August 13, 2018, 10:41 am With all the rumours floating around that George Williams is headed to the Knights, or that they're going to switch Ponga to five-eighth to play Nick Meaney at fullback next year, I'd really like to hope we're sounding out Connor Watson.

If the Knights want to move him on to accomodate Williams or Meaney in FG we may be able to get him cheaply. He'd be an enormous upgrade on Willams and a fairly handy partner for Sezer.
Nobody rates Williams as a half, but it's worth me pointing out that he has more forced line dropouts, the same number of try assists and has the same tackle efficiency as Nathan Cleary this season. Williams has played one less game.

Cleary has a slightly better running game than Williams and does more kicking (not surprising with Sezer and Hodgo in our team), but on the whole the stats are pretty similar.

Williams cops a ridiculously bad wrap on this forum. It's quite odd.
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Seiffert82 wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:00 pm
Timbo wrote: August 13, 2018, 10:41 am With all the rumours floating around that George Williams is headed to the Knights, or that they're going to switch Ponga to five-eighth to play Nick Meaney at fullback next year, I'd really like to hope we're sounding out Connor Watson.

If the Knights want to move him on to accomodate Williams or Meaney in FG we may be able to get him cheaply. He'd be an enormous upgrade on Willams and a fairly handy partner for Sezer.
Nobody rates Williams as a half, but it's worth me pointing out that he has more forced line dropouts, the same number of try assists and has the same tackle efficiency as Nathan Cleary this season. Williams has played one less game.

Cleary has a slightly better running game than Williams and does more kicking (not surprising with Sezer and Hodgo in our team), but on the whole the stats are pretty similar.

Williams cops a ridiculously bad wrap on this forum. It's quite odd.
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Cleary doesn't disappear out the back door when the game is on the line
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Sam Williams sucks (as does Blake Austin and Aiden Sezer). Nathan Cleary is really, really good.
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I love Sammy, but it is probably because Nathan Cleary is stepping up in clutch situations and winning games.
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I think Sammy is very good with the footy but his career path to date has gone the way it has for a reason.
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I just struggle with Sammy’s long kicking game, play making ability and defence. Just isn’t quite a first grade half. Seams like a great guy though


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-TW- wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:06 pm Cleary doesn't disappear out the back door when the game is on the line
Bull he doesn't.
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Pigman wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:06 pm Sam Williams sucks (as does Blake Austin and Aiden Sezer). Nathan Cleary is really, really good.
Numbers be damned, trust your eyes.
I know what I see and I've watched enough footy to know that Williams is nowhere near as bad as what the herd says about him on this forum.
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You want to sit here and tell me Sam Williams is on par with Nathan Cleary... i would respectfully, because i like you Seif, say you need to watch some more football

We havent had a half as good as Cleary since TC led the cops on a high speed chase.
If it's 13/08/18 and answer to your question is Sam Williams (or Blake Austin, or Aiden Sezer), you're asking the wrong damn question.
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edwahu wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:11 pm I think Sammy is very good with the footy but his career path to date has gone the way it has for a reason.
**** coaching?
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Never forget, Sam Williams left this club signed for the Dragons (as former raiders are want to do), was odds on favourite to be their halfback, and got his **** pushed in by a 32 year old Michael Witt in pre-season, lost his job and left for the ESL. Where he stayed until we came knocking.

We dont have the answer in the halves on our roster right now. Not Sam Williams, SURE as **** not Blake **** Austin and not Aiden Sezer
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Seiffert82 wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:20 pm
edwahu wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:11 pm I think Sammy is very good with the footy but his career path to date has gone the way it has for a reason.
**** coaching?
Yeah, that could be why he hasnt really addressed his shortcomings and kicked on.
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Pigman wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:19 pm You want to sit here and tell me Sam Williams is on par with Nathan Cleary... i would respectfully, because i like you Seif, say you need to watch some more football

We havent had a half as good as Cleary since TC led the cops on a high speed chase.
If it's 13/08/18 and answer to your question is Sam Williams (or Blake Austin, or Aiden Sezer), you're asking the wrong damn question.
I'm not saying Williams is on par with Cleary 69, my point is that he's nowhere near as bad as what people like to make out.

Cleary is a top shelf half and I'd have him in a heartbeat, but I refuse to believe Williams is one of the biggest problems for Stuart to fix. The guy can play at a high enough level, alongside Hodgo and Sezer, for this team to be successful.

It's effort and consistency from our front row and our discipline and attitude in defence which needs to be resolved. We can score enough points with this halves combo. We just need to learn how to stop leaking them like a sieve.
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edwahu wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:24 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:20 pm
edwahu wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:11 pm I think Sammy is very good with the footy but his career path to date has gone the way it has for a reason.
**** coaching?
Yeah, that could be why he hasnt really addressed his shortcomings and kicked on.
His defence has improved markedly over the years, despite being targeted by the opposition. He has also improved his ability to stay involved in every game.

It's just not fair or true to say his game hasn't improved over time.
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Pigman wrote: August 13, 2018, 9:24 pm Never forget, Sam Williams left this club signed for the Dragons (as former raiders are want to do), was odds on favourite to be their halfback, and got his **** pushed in by a 32 year old Michael Witt in pre-season, lost his job and left for the ESL. Where he stayed until we came knocking.

We dont have the answer in the halves on our roster right now. Not Sam Williams, SURE as **** not Blake **** Austin and not Aiden Sezer
Austin has been nothing short of a disgrace this season. It's sad to see, but this team will be immeasurably better without him, in both attack and defence.

I'd say I'd never seen such a fall from grace, but in all honesty it's on par with Bronson Harrison. It's quite unbelievable.
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I agree with S82. Williams isnt the problem with the team, nor is he as bad as some make out. He isnt a top shelf half, might not even be middle of the road, but far from the worst running around. He isnt in Clearys class though, not even close.

Sammy has arguably been better/ more consistent than either of his halves partners this yr. I think his D has been better this yr too.
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Yeah, I would agree he is fine with the footy and has stepped up a bit more. His main issue was with the ball was a lack of ownership and it has improved this year to an extent, even with a way to go.

I still have big concerns about his defense, with Austin gone I expect he will be targeted more heavily and that having Austin as such a consistent target has masked it a little this year. When he has been tested he has still been found wanting quite a bit and physically there isnt much he can do. Bateman may help stop him getting isolated though.
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Sam Williams has some good attacking skills. But he continues to make bad reads in defence, run out in defence or inexplicably slide on the try line and miss key tackles.

Every opposition coach knows this. It doesn’t take stats to know who to target in the defensive line.
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Seiffert82 wrote:
Timbo wrote: August 13, 2018, 10:41 am With all the rumours floating around that George Williams is headed to the Knights, or that they're going to switch Ponga to five-eighth to play Nick Meaney at fullback next year, I'd really like to hope we're sounding out Connor Watson.

If the Knights want to move him on to accomodate Williams or Meaney in FG we may be able to get him cheaply. He'd be an enormous upgrade on Willams and a fairly handy partner for Sezer.
Nobody rates Williams as a half, but it's worth me pointing out that he has more forced line dropouts, the same number of try assists and has the same tackle efficiency as Nathan Cleary this season. Williams has played one less game.

Cleary has a slightly better running game than Williams and does more kicking (not surprising with Sezer and Hodgo in our team), but on the whole the stats are pretty similar.

Williams cops a ridiculously bad wrap on this forum. It's quite odd.
Hear, hear.

Sammy would be cheap, so he's a great squad member. I absolutely prefer Sammy over Connor Watson when it comes to the cap. Watson has done absolutely nothing in first grade. So overrated.

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chris83 wrote: August 13, 2018, 3:58 pm So the dogs can sign players that are decent even with a salary cap that is in total turmoil yet we can sign two random poms and thats it!?? Great.
Canterbury are deadset signing base money players with the lure of permanent first grade spots. Sue is perhaps an exception to that but he’s hardly be expensive.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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