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Canterbury Bulldogs in talks with replacement for Hasler

Bulldogs powerbrokers have commenced talks with a possible replacement for under-fire coach Des Hasler. Influential figures at the club are keen for favourite son Dean Pay to return as Canterbury's on-field troubles continue under Hasler.

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He'd fit perfectly, our defence has been a shambles at times

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If it gets us a new defensive coach, sounds good to me!
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pay must be their plan b, Barrett is plan a and very very keen.

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Barrett? Really?

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dubby wrote:Barrett? Really?

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Why exactly would you leave Manly for the hot mess that is the dogs?
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zim wrote:Why exactly would you leave Manly for the hot mess that is the dogs?
Des or Barrett?
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I dont think Barrett is that good tbh. The fact he lucked in the Turbo boys and DCE got his **** back together doesnt change that

On topic if Pay leaves so be it. He's replaceable imo
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zim wrote:Why exactly would you leave Manly for the hot mess that is the dogs?
ka-ching is better

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The only thing I like about Barrett, is that he's gotten a team with the most dog **** edges in NRL history to be competitive. All with Stewart/Matai still on the payroll but not playing.
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dubby wrote:Barrett? Really?

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While the clubhouse may be an unstable mess you'd think the Bulldogs are in a much better financial state than Manly.
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Escaping the Penns to work alongside Ray Dib and Raelene Castle? And their cap is a mess at the moment

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dubby wrote:Escaping the Penns to work alongside Ray Dib and Raelene Castle? And their cap is a mess at the moment

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Castle isn't there anymore. This post may have been relevant 12 months ago.
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Huh. I just seen her in a photo with the Dib in the smh. Musta been an old photo. .

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dubby wrote:Huh. I just seen her in a photo with the Dib in the smh. Musta been an old photo. .

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So Noa is wrong???

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dubby wrote:So Noa is wrong???

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Forgive me. I'm still partaking in coffee.... not myself yet

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dubby wrote:Forgive me. I'm still partaking in coffee.... not myself yet

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EJ wrote:
zim wrote:Why exactly would you leave Manly for the hot mess that is the dogs?
Des or Barrett?
Big clap for that one liner.
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Matt wrote:
dubby wrote:Forgive me. I'm still partaking in coffee.... not myself yet

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Pay has been ok. Our edge defense has improved a lot under him. It's just his insane line speed tactic that sucks now.
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edwahu wrote:Pay has been ok. Our edge defense has improved a lot under him. It's just his insane line speed tactic that sucks now.
Which seems to improve out of sight when we hold the ball, complete at a high rate and don't get overly fatigued from having to defend too much.
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The Nickman wrote:
edwahu wrote:Pay has been ok. Our edge defense has improved a lot under him. It's just his insane line speed tactic that sucks now.
Which seems to improve out of sight when we hold the ball, complete at a high rate and don't get overly fatigued from having to defend too much.
Haha, our defense in the second half of last year and the last month of this year has been fine, shaky at times but I'm gonna guess averaging less than 3 tries a game in that period, coinciding with holding the ball, therefore winning the middle, therefore winning the territory. It's not brain science.
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I don't know how much blame you can put on Dean Pay for our attitude and concentration problems.

If we hold the ball, complete our sets well and do the little things right early in our defensive sets we actually defend pretty well for a side built assembled for it's attacking abilities.
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After a few seasons of freeways down our flanks we have seen change in the defensive line up to move away from the compressed, non sliding version, to the blokes around the ruck moving rapidly and with intent toward the ball and ball carriers. That is a tick for Pay.

I don't have the stats but my eye test tells me that we don't lock up the football like a top eight side should. This means more defensive work as the offloads mean 'second efforts' must be made to shut down the opposition. That is a cross for Pay.

Anyone who believes we have consistent 80 minute line speed which pressures the opposition is not watching Raiders games this year imo. Opposition sides seem to make a lot of easy meters against us set after set. We then have to defend our line and give the opposition the chance to get repeat sets from kicks because they are so close to our try line. Difficult to grubber into the in goal if you are finishing your set 30-40 metres out. I don't know if there are stats on the number of goal line drop outs a side does, but Matt I'd like to know where the Raiders stand if these are available. This (slow line speed) is a cross for Pay.

Whoever our defensive coach may be next season, needs to work on increasing the line speed and shutting down the offloads.
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RedRaider wrote:After a few seasons of freeways down our flanks we have seen change in the defensive line up to move away from the compressed, non sliding version, to the blokes around the ruck moving rapidly and with intent toward the ball and ball carriers. That is a tick for Pay.

I don't have the stats but my eye test tells me that we don't lock up the football like a top eight side should. This means more defensive work as the offloads mean 'second efforts' must be made to shut down the opposition. That is a cross for Pay.

Anyone who believes we have consistent 80 minute line speed which pressures the opposition is not watching Raiders games this year imo. Opposition sides seem to make a lot of easy meters against us set after set. We then have to defend our line and give the opposition the chance to get repeat sets from kicks because they are so close to our try line. Difficult to grubber into the in goal if you are finishing your set 30-40 metres out. I don't know if there are stats on the number of goal line drop outs a side does, but Matt I'd like to know where the Raiders stand if these are available. This (slow line speed) is a cross for Pay.

Whoever our defensive coach may be next season, needs to work on increasing the line speed and shutting down the offloads.
We are second last for forced drop outs with 21. Knights have 20 with Manly 47 and the rest mostly around 35 to 45. There isn't a drop outs conceded stat.Offloads conceded we are 6th worst.

The defensive stats that standout for me and support what you say are our tackles where we are second lowest and about 1000 less then the top teams and our line break conceded where we are close to the best. Considering we wouldn't have the best posession stats, that suggests we dont have good numbers in tackles compared to other clubs but sitting back and holding our structure does stop tries. It's just been let down by our kick defense.

I also think it has the side effect of not pressuring the opposition and that has helped teams have very good completion rates against us.
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Can we get an assistant coach that can teach people how to get repeat sets?
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