Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Good signing but calm your **** guys... He's played one game at lock (currently). If I didn't know better, would think you were talking about Clyde or something.
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pacman wrote:Good signing but calm your **** guys... He's played one game at lock (currently). If I didn't know better, would think you were talking about Clyde or something.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
"We dont need Whitehead to be carting the ball up in the middle every set. We need him easing the defensive workload of other forwards and we need him as a edge runner and edge ball player. That's his role and one he does exceptionally well."Pigman wrote:It's rather amazing is it?
Whitehead plays on the edges, and he doesnt make a lot of metres. Whitehead moves into the middle and he racks up 170 metres
It's almost like they are two different positions with different responsibilities! Amazing stuff
Thankfully Whitehead is a class player who proved himself well capable of playing either role at a world class level.
Rusty however continues to prove he has NFI
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Your commitment to not remotely understanding the middle v edge is really rather impressive
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Rusty, as you didn't reply above, what do you think of Tapine moving out wide and instantly seeing his metres drop significantly?
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Cut the personal insults.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Just suck it up and admit you got it wrong again Piggy, just like you were wrong about Sezer and everything else. Whitehead had easily his best game of the year on Sat night and it wasn't prancing and twirling on the edges like a ballerina, it was ramming the ball up the middle like a buffalo. Your whole pigeonholing of players into edge/middle forward with fixed predetermined field position and responsibilities is vacuous, stupid and unconventional given there are plenty of "edge forwards" in the NRL who have no trouble marching the ball up the park.
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He underperformedNotaroboticfish wrote:Rusty, as you didn't reply above, what do you think of Tapine moving out wide and instantly seeing his metres drop significantly?
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So a player moving from second row to lock and getting a ton more metres and another player moving from front row to second row and having his metres significantly drop aren't at all related to the positional switch? Is that what you are inferring here?
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Why are you guys bothering??
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No forum cops thanks. It's inconsistent with the forum guidelines. Please stick to discussion of the topic... which is football.
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It'll be a quiet forum after all the threads are ruinedThe Nickman wrote:Why are you guys bothering??
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Good. One of our few players who hasn't gone backwards this year.
The others are Rapana and Papalii. And of course Cotric.
The others are Rapana and Papalii. And of course Cotric.
Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
What is being inferred/confirmed here is that BillyT is a dumb **** troll, who has had his handed to him time and time again hahaNotaroboticfish wrote:So a player moving from second row to lock and getting a ton more metres and another player moving from front row to second row and having his metres significantly drop aren't at all related to the positional switch? Is that what you are inferring here?
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Lets assume it did. But would you accept 69m from Tapine every game? My whole point about Whitehead is he some of the worst stats for an 80 min second rower in the NRL. Im not demanding that he make 100m + every game, but it is incumbent on every member of the forward pack, whether edge, middle, lock or wherever to do the hard work up the middle. Expecting backs to do this work while giving a free pass to "edge forwards" is just daft.Notaroboticfish wrote:So a player moving from second row to lock and getting a ton more metres and another player moving from front row to second row and having his metres significantly drop aren't at all related to the positional switch? Is that what you are inferring here?
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
An edge forwards meters is also effected by the performance of the middle. Middle not going forward and the team is playing sideways, an edge forward won't make as many meters. Middle forwards need to punch holes and, ideally, quick play the balls. This obviously helps all edge players as it allows some shape to the back line, time to run plays etc. Split A + B defenders to allow running back in behind the ruck etc etc. With the way our middle has been performing this year it wouldn't surprise me that edge forwards aren't running for a lot. Everything they do is cramped.
Either way I don't expect massive numbers from Tapine really. That'll come.
Either way I don't expect massive numbers from Tapine really. That'll come.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
It's really odd. Like politician levels of odd. Where they're almost proud that they don't know what they are talking about, rather than being embarrassed about doubling down.Pigman wrote:Your commitment to not remotely understanding the middle v edge is really rather impressive
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end
Average Run meters by edge forwards (at least 1 from every team)rusty83 wrote:Lets assume it did. But would you accept 69m from Tapine every game? My whole point about Whitehead is he some of the worst stats for an 80 min second rower in the NRL. Im not demanding that he make 100m + every game, but it is incumbent on every member of the forward pack, whether edge, middle, lock or wherever to do the hard work up the middle. Expecting backs to do this work while giving a free pass to "edge forwards" is just daft.Notaroboticfish wrote:So a player moving from second row to lock and getting a ton more metres and another player moving from front row to second row and having his metres significantly drop aren't at all related to the positional switch? Is that what you are inferring here?
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Whitehead - 82
Papalii - 147
Gillett - 99
Graham (Wade) - 118
Cordner - 154
Hoffman - 97
Moeroa - 86
Frizell - 103
Sutton - 84
Elliott - 70
Mata'utai (Sione) - 80
Proctor - 95
Kaufusi (Felise) - 88
Yeo - 110
Cooper (Gavin) - 81
Lawrence - 81
Winterstein (Frank) - 74
Average tackles (same players as above)
Whitehead - 33
Papalii - 25
Gillett - 37
Graham (Wade) - 26
Cordner - 31
Hoffman - 26
Moeroa - 30
Frizell - 28
Sutton - 22
Elliott - 25
Mata'utai (Sione) - 27
Proctor - 28
Kaufusi (Felise) - 33
Yeo - 28
Cooper (Gavin) - 30
Lawrence - 23
Winterstein (Frank) - 23
Id say that's a pretty fair mix of the best and the worst in the comp. This suggests he is the lower side of middle for meters gained, but going to be towards the top for tackles made. Therefore, Whitehead isn't the worst.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Good news, but I'll only believe it when I hear it fouth hand from the Lurker.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Solid, consistent, durable 80 min tough Pom , better value than any of the Burgess brothers IMO, great signing
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Yeah he's surpassed the Burgess boys.
If Whitehead played for Brisbane or Roosters/South's he'd be the highest profile pom since the Queen
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end
Matt wrote:Average Run meters by edge forwards (at least 1 from every team)rusty83 wrote:Lets assume it did. But would you accept 69m from Tapine every game? My whole point about Whitehead is he some of the worst stats for an 80 min second rower in the NRL. Im not demanding that he make 100m + every game, but it is incumbent on every member of the forward pack, whether edge, middle, lock or wherever to do the hard work up the middle. Expecting backs to do this work while giving a free pass to "edge forwards" is just daft.Notaroboticfish wrote:So a player moving from second row to lock and getting a ton more metres and another player moving from front row to second row and having his metres significantly drop aren't at all related to the positional switch? Is that what you are inferring here?
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Whitehead - 82
Papalii - 147
Gillett - 99
Graham (Wade) - 118
Cordner - 154
Hoffman - 97
Moeroa - 86
Frizell - 103
Sutton - 84
Elliott - 70
Mata'utai (Sione) - 80
Proctor - 95
Kaufusi (Felise) - 88
Yeo - 110
Cooper (Gavin) - 81
Lawrence - 81
Winterstein (Frank) - 74
Average tackles (same players as above)
Whitehead - 33
Papalii - 25
Gillett - 37
Graham (Wade) - 26
Cordner - 31
Hoffman - 26
Moeroa - 30
Frizell - 28
Sutton - 22
Elliott - 25
Mata'utai (Sione) - 27
Proctor - 28
Kaufusi (Felise) - 33
Yeo - 28
Cooper (Gavin) - 30
Lawrence - 23
Winterstein (Frank) - 23
Id say that's a pretty fair mix of the best and the worst in the comp. This suggests he is the lower side of middle for meters gained, but going to be towards the top for tackles made. Therefore, Whitehead isn't the worst.
Many of those edge forwards arent even 80 minute players. 33 tackles is a reasonable return for an 80 minute player, but tackles dont win games.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Lock him in Eddie
Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Tackling doesn't win games... really?
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Tackling doesn't win games..
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Rusty putting his name forward for coach of the Bulldogs.
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Hahahaha why are you guys even bothering?? Good griefgreeneyed wrote:Tackling doesn't win games... really?
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Sure as all hell stops you losing 'emgreeneyed wrote:Tackling doesn't win games... really?
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Well if tackling doesn't win games we should just stop tackling and focus on attack. What could go wrong
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end
Of those 17 players you are referring to only 3 of them aren't 80 minute players - the other 15 are 80 minute players.rusty83 wrote:
Many of those edge forwards arent even 80 minute players. 33 tackles is a reasonable return for an 80 minute player, but tackles dont win games.
Seriously dude
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
I like this re-signing. He is a current international and runs the ball up well. Has good skill and is versatile. Can do some silly things at the wrong time or position of the field when he is trying to milk penalties but I like him and glad he wants to re-commit to the Raiders.
When you look at English imports you are not too sure if they want to stay or go back home such as Gareth Ellis and Sam Tomkins to name a few but when you get a good one it's nice to know they are keen to stay for the long haul.
Now we just need to tie up his mate Hodgo for a few more years.
When you look at English imports you are not too sure if they want to stay or go back home such as Gareth Ellis and Sam Tomkins to name a few but when you get a good one it's nice to know they are keen to stay for the long haul.
Now we just need to tie up his mate Hodgo for a few more years.
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Yeah, he's doing much less of the penalty milking these days and we're much better for it.
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Re: Canberra set to re-sign Whitehead to end 2020
Guys rusty is right. The best you can hope for with tackling is a nil all draw.
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Ahh nil...I remember you well.
Those were the days.
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