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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
0
No votes
Raiders 1-12
3
20%
Draw
1
7%
Cowboys 1-12
6
40%
Cowboys 13+
5
33%
 
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Canberra Raiders V North Queensland Cowboys
Saturday July 1 7:30pm
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The Raiders lost to a disrupted Brisbane Broncos in Round 16, and now face a disrupted North Queensland Cowboys at Canberra Stadium in Round 17. Who do you think should line up for the Green Machine? Tell us your team here and see how you go in comparison to the official squad when announced. We will include the official line ups in the first post of this thread as soon as they're available.

OFFICIAL SQUADS

Canberra Raiders

1. Jack Wighton
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker (C)
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Blake Austin
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Junior Paulo
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Shannon Boyd
11. Josh Papalii
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Sia Soliola

14. Kurt Baptiste
15. Luke Bateman
16. Dave Taylor
17. Joe Tapine

18. Scott Sorensen
19. Royce Hunt
20. Adam Clydsdale
21. Clay Priest

North Queensland Cowboys

1. Lachlan Coote
2. Kyle Feldt
3. Justin O'Neill
4. Kane Linnett
5. Antonio Winterstein
6. Te Maire Martin
7. Michael Morgan
8. John Asiata
9. Jake Granville
10. Scott Bolton (c)
11. Gavin Cooper
12. Ethan Lowe
13. Jason Taumalolo

14. Ben Hampton
15. Coen Hess
16. Shaun Fensom
17. Corey Jensen

18. Kyle Laybutt
19. Kalyn Ponga
20. Braden Uele
21. Patrick Mago

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Not interested.
This place is woke.
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Austin out. Jack to 5/8th, Cotric to fullback and Naden or Ottio on the wing. Lima in as a starting prop. Check his mounties stats, its nuts he isnt in the side given his consitent performances for us. Boyd to the bench and Priest out.
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6. Sezer
7. Hodgson
9. Baptiste

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6. Dave Taylor
7. Hodgson

8. Boyd
9. Baptiste
10. Lima

15. Paulo
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VictorTheViking wrote:6. Sezer
7. Hodgson
9. Baptiste

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No team. We just send the mascot out instead and if he manages to score it's worth triple points

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Sticky will name the same team, "the guys are hurting". Mollycoddler.
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Canberra Milk wrote:Sticky will name the same team, "the guys are hurting". Mollycoddler.
But nobody is kicking stones at training.

1 - Rapana
2 - Kotric
3 - Croker
4 - Leilua.
5 - Ottio, who was re-signed this week.
6 - Wighton
7 - Sezar
8 - Paulo
9 - Hodgson (he's either an 80 minute hooker or he's not. Otherwise, use him to replace Sezar).
10 - Boyd
11 - Papalii
12 - Whitehead
13 - Bateman

14. Lachlan Crocker
15. Sorenson
16. Priest
17. Hunt

18. Taylor
19. Anybody but the players who I haven't listed. No last minute change of heart.
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1. Rapana
2. Cotric
5. PJ.

11. Papalii.

The rest can report to my office and plead their case.
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I'm not a fan of this 7-30pm start either.
I'm intoxicated by kickoff which turns me into a yelling, dribbling fool.

On the upside it will be even colder for the Cows than it was for the Donkeys.

Cause the weather is a massive advantage for our boys.

Teams hate playing here in winter, no Thurston we got this.

What's the bet we start favs..... :lol:
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Were Bateman and Priest injured? I don't remember Bateman having a second stint and Priest managed 2 hit ups.
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edwahu wrote:Were Bateman and Priest injured? I don't remember Bateman having a second stint and Priest managed 2 hit ups.
Dont think so, They were both sitting down and not getting medical attention.
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1. Cotric
2. Ottio/Naden
3. Croker
4. BJ
5. Rapana
6. Wighton - Second receiver both sides of the ruck, defends on the right.
7. Sezer - First receiver, first choice kicker, plays both sides of the ruck, defends on the left
8. Tapine - Sticky's not giving him enough minutes. He's an international level player getting less than 40 minutes. That has to change.
9. Hodgson
10. Boyd - Needs to lead our forward pack. Have him running off Sezer all day.
11. Paps
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Baptiste
15. Paulo (Sticky has massively over complicated Paulo's game. 20-25 minutes either side of half-time is IMO the best way to use him)
16. Sia
17. Priest

I don't want to see Austin in FG for at least a month.
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Wighton at 5/8? Didn't we try this years ago and it was a flop?
Bench Wighton as a utility, Bateman out, Rapana to FB and Ottio to wing
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-GD- wrote:
edwahu wrote:Were Bateman and Priest injured? I don't remember Bateman having a second stint and Priest managed 2 hit ups.
Dont think so, They were both sitting down and not getting medical attention.
Very odd. Bateman in particular was playing very well.
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Kryptonite wrote:Wighton at 5/8? Didn't we try this years ago and it was a flop?
Bench Wighton as a utility, Bateman out, Rapana to FB and Ottio to wing
He had 20 first grade games at the time and the whole team was pretty rubbish. They barely won a game after he moved, so I dont think he was a big problem in the end.

It's a gamble but at least I would expect it to improve the defense.
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edwahu wrote:
Kryptonite wrote:Wighton at 5/8? Didn't we try this years ago and it was a flop?
Bench Wighton as a utility, Bateman out, Rapana to FB and Ottio to wing
He had 20 first grade games at the time and the whole team was pretty rubbish. They barely won a game after he moved, so I dont think he was a big problem in the end.

It's a gamble but at least I would expect it to improve the defense.
Wighton had Campo at halfback, Buttsy at hooker and Robbo at fullback. He was also playing behind a pretty lack lustre forward pack.

Wighton is a team first player and that's what we need ATM.
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edwahu wrote:
-GD- wrote:
edwahu wrote:Were Bateman and Priest injured? I don't remember Bateman having a second stint and Priest managed 2 hit ups.
Dont think so, They were both sitting down and not getting medical attention.
Very odd. Bateman in particular was playing very well.
It's unforgivable to have players making errors under fatigue when you have fresh players, including an International sitting on the bench.
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Jack's not a 5/8th, regardless of who he played with in 2014.

Pointless to move him and would only cause more problems.
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afgtnk wrote:Jack's not a 5/8th, regardless of who he played with in 2014.

Pointless to move him and would only cause more problems.
Well as there are zero decent 5/8ths on the market and none at the club that can defend to a first grade level we need to do something. It's not like we have much to lose.
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1 rapana
2 cotric
3 croker
4 bj
5 ottio
6 seezer
7 Hodgson c
8 priest
9 babtiste
10 boyd
11 papalli
12 Taylor
13 whitehead

14 Duggan
15 sia
16 tapine
17 Paulo

Wighton, Austin, Bateman > mounties
Croker vc, not getting into the refs ears enough.
If Ricky cant make a tough decision to put a rocket up their ****, then he is not the right man to coach, he should be moved to football manager as per Phil Gould at Penrith. And is dean pay our defensive coach ? He want to be put on notice also.
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No changes necessary, we just need to come out with a defensive mindset and finally realise that our season is actually on the line. Even in the lead up to the Broncos game there were signs of complacency with players saying that the finals are still a long way away and we just need to get a few wins, our over confident attitude has just made us ignorant and we are playing accordingly. Realistically our season is over but the fans desperately need a win just for some blind hope and joy in a frustrating and disappointing year so far.
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edwahu wrote:
afgtnk wrote:Jack's not a 5/8th, regardless of who he played with in 2014.

Pointless to move him and would only cause more problems.
Well as there are zero decent 5/8ths on the market and none at the club that can defend to a first grade level we need to do something. It's not like we have much to lose.
afgtnk is probably right but ATM we need someone capable of defending more than we need a 3rd kicking option.

FTR Wighton has 9 Try Assists to Austin's 4 (Sezer 13, Hodgo 7)
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BVRaider wrote:No changes necessary, we just need to come out with a defensive mindset and finally realise that our season is actually on the line. Even in the lead up to the Broncos game there were signs of complacency with players saying that the finals are still a long way away and we just need to get a few wins, our over confident attitude has just made us ignorant and we are playing accordingly. Realistically our season is over but the fans desperately need a win just for some blind hope and joy in a frustrating and disappointing year so far.
Most of the posters are suggesting that nothing motivates a player quite like the knowledge that underperformance will see you suffer the embarrassment of playing in a lower grade.

They're not stupid, despite the idiotic penalties they give away and the defensive lapses that they allow to squander a win.

Get stuck in the lower grades long enough -- whether you deserve it or not -- and you follow Vaughn, Lee and even long-serving Fensom (who was the last Raiders captain in any grade to skipper a premiership-winning side). That could mean being released, a lesser contract, uprooting your family -- maybe as far far as England or France -- and possibly causing tensions in the home.

What's your suggestion for having them get the correct mindset?
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Green eyed Mick wrote:
edwahu wrote:
afgtnk wrote:Jack's not a 5/8th, regardless of who he played with in 2014.

Pointless to move him and would only cause more problems.
Well as there are zero decent 5/8ths on the market and none at the club that can defend to a first grade level we need to do something. It's not like we have much to lose.
afgtnk is probably right but ATM we need someone capable of defending more than we need a 3rd kicking option.

FTR Wighton has 9 Try Assists to Austin's 4 (Sezer 13, Hodgo 7)
I'd try again with Wight at 5/8th. He's shown he'll pass. He has always been a good one-on-one defender, although mediocre is being kind when you talk about him as covering defender at fullback. I don't know if he can kick any better than he did last time around, but we have Sezar and Hodgson doing long kicks and his short kicking game could't be worse that Sezar's.

Unlike Austin, Wighton will run. I was amazed when the commentators said that Austin was making five runs a game. I wouldn't have said any more than two.

I also have to wonder whether there is some sort of tension between the media-grabbing Leipana and yesterday's hero, Austin. If there i, then either Austin or BJ has to go. If it's Austin, move Wight to 5/8th and Rapana to fullback with Ottio in. (This wasn't was influencing my thinking earlier in the thread BTW).

If it's BJ, then Wighton to the centres where he's shown he is competent in the past.
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1. Cotric
2. Ottio
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Rapana
6. Sezer
7. Hodgson
8. Paulo
9. Baptiste
10. Boyd
11. Papalii
12. Whitehead
13. Soliola
14. Austin
15. Taylor
16. Hunt
17. Tapine


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The only reason I'd change the team, is for a wake up call. I don't necessarily think we can pick a better combination of players in the positions they're already in. We have limited depth and you'll be exposing blokes to foreign territory, by making wholesale changes. Will really play into the hands of the opposition.

They need an adjustment in the way they're coached. Paulo back to being a prop, some line speed and smarter footy are good places to start.
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yeh raiders wrote:The only reason I'd change the team, is for a wake up call. I don't necessarily think we can pick a better combination of players in the positions they're already in. We have limited depth and you'll be exposing blokes to foreign territory, by making wholesale changes. Will really play into the hands of the opposition.

They need an adjustment in the way they're coached. Paulo back to being a prop, some line speed and smarter footy are good places to start.
They need a rocket. Dropping just one of them would send a message. Imagine training this week without say...Austin. Hey we might lose again but the upside is hopefully a massive attitude adjustment and having a red hot go.

I'm no coach and don't claim to be but I'd be saying you know what...you stink, go and introduce yourself to Steve at Mt Pritchard...he'll look after ya.
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yurithe1 wrote:
BVRaider wrote:No changes necessary, we just need to come out with a defensive mindset and finally realise that our season is actually on the line. Even in the lead up to the Broncos game there were signs of complacency with players saying that the finals are still a long way away and we just need to get a few wins, our over confident attitude has just made us ignorant and we are playing accordingly. Realistically our season is over but the fans desperately need a win just for some blind hope and joy in a frustrating and disappointing year so far.
Most of the posters are suggesting that nothing motivates a player quite like the knowledge that underperformance will see you suffer the embarrassment of playing in a lower grade.

They're not stupid, despite the idiotic penalties they give away and the defensive lapses that they allow to squander a win.

Get stuck in the lower grades long enough -- whether you deserve it or not -- and you follow Vaughn, Lee and even long-serving Fensom (who was the last Raiders captain in any grade to skipper a premiership-winning side). That could mean being released, a lesser contract, uprooting your family -- maybe as far far as England or France -- and possibly causing tensions in the home.

What's your suggestion for having them get the correct mindset?
You're not wrong but given the situation with our depth I would suggest that it's easier to motivate the players in our top 17 by telling them that unless we are determined to protect our line every game we won't be winning a premiership which they all claim to be hungry for. I agree that players perform better when they are at risk of losing their position but realistically we will create more problems by bringing in players that are not capable at this level yet or by moving players to different positions. The team has proven that if they are determined to defend we are nearly unbeatable but because of our complacency we have found ourselves in close games that we have lost due to defensive lapses and unless that changes we will continue to lose no matter who we have in the team.
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6. Whitehead
12. Sia
14. Austin

Doesn't really solve the problem of who's running the team (though you can't get much worse than the current 'no one'), but should mean Leipana see some ball and the constantly parted Red Sea between Blake and BJ will be less of an issue provided BJ occasionally engages his brain in defence.

Whitehead showed last year he's as good a ball player as we've got when he filled in at 6. And Blake can just come on for 15-20 mins and hog the ball to his heart's content.

Open to Hodgson at 7 and Baptiste at 9 but can't quite commit. Our lack of repeat sets compared to Bris was glaringly obvious last night, but if Sezer-Austin are both gone that's a lot of pressure on Hodgson as the lone kicker.
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BVRaider wrote:
yurithe1 wrote:
BVRaider wrote:No changes necessary, we just need to come out with a defensive mindset and finally realise that our season is actually on the line. Even in the lead up to the Broncos game there were signs of complacency with players saying that the finals are still a long way away and we just need to get a few wins, our over confident attitude has just made us ignorant and we are playing accordingly. Realistically our season is over but the fans desperately need a win just for some blind hope and joy in a frustrating and disappointing year so far.
Most of the posters are suggesting that nothing motivates a player quite like the knowledge that underperformance will see you suffer the embarrassment of playing in a lower grade.

They're not stupid, despite the idiotic penalties they give away and the defensive lapses that they allow to squander a win.

Get stuck in the lower grades long enough -- whether you deserve it or not -- and you follow Vaughn, Lee and even long-serving Fensom (who was the last Raiders captain in any grade to skipper a premiership-winning side). That could mean being released, a lesser contract, uprooting your family -- maybe as far far as England or France -- and possibly causing tensions in the home.

What's your suggestion for having them get the correct mindset?
You're not wrong but given the situation with our depth I would suggest that it's easier to motivate the players in our top 17 by telling them that unless we are determined to protect our line every game we won't be winning a premiership which they all claim to be hungry for. I agree that players perform better when they are at risk of losing their position but realistically we will create more problems by bringing in players that are not capable at this level yet or by moving players to different positions. The team has proven that if they are determined to defend we are nearly unbeatable but because of our complacency we have found ourselves in close games that we have lost due to defensive lapses and unless that changes we will continue to lose no matter who we have in the team.
I suggest you watch a movie called "The Natural" with Robert Redford. His baseball side is caught in a losing streak and they hire a psychologist who keeps telling them, "Losing is like... a disease..." repeatedly. Nothing changes though and what you're saying is easier said than done. Might as well arrange for them to have a unicorn hugging session; just as realistic.

If we hadn't released Santo to the Warriors, I'd suggest we could have had a team that looks like this:

1 - Santo
2 - Rapana
3 - Croker ©
4 - Wighton
5 - Ottio
6 - Lachlan Croker
7 - Sezar
8 - Paulo
9 - Hodgson
10 - Boyd
11 - Whitehead
12 - Papalii
13 - Bateman

Bench, all of whom are to get at least 20 minutes on the field:
14 - Priest
15 - Baptiste (in for Hodgson or in for Croker with Hodgo going to 5/8th. Otherwise, we end up with too many playmakers and not enough leaders/organisers)
16 - Sorenson
17 - Lima

18 - Taylor (moving into 17 for Lima once he's match fit)
19 - Hunt
20 - Austin
21 - Soliola

BJ to Mounties to work on his defence for two weeks. Then, you review how Wighton and Ottio have been going to decide who out of the three of them gets the wing and centre spots.

No room for Tapine until he actually threatens the line again instead of slowing down just before contact and he punishes in tackles. On the plus side, he hasn't given away a dumb penalty since that infamous strip. I have my doubts abut whether he will ever get his confidence back and will probably be released if Sorenson can make his mark.

Austin put on notice. Oh, and I would remove all of the publicity material that features him to drive it home that he's not indispensable. He either bursts back or sulks and asks for a release.

Although Soliola is said to give the other players a boost, the reality is that he is struggling and seems lost at times. Apart from one big hit last week, it's been ages since he was a player to be reckoned with in defence. Still doing enough as a battering ram, but from what I've been hearing, Lima is doing that and more.

This line-up rewards players who are hungry and doing the right thing in Mounties, gives a swift kick to players who are screwing up, and has an eye to the future by blooding players.

Seeing as Santo is gone, I've had to name the side I did earlier.
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Having seen Whitehead listed as 5/8 above it made me think it might not be a bad option.

1.Cotric. - Love to see what he can do with some time here.
2. Ottio
3. Croker
4. Wighton - BJ can have a rest and Jacks no fullback.
5. Rapana - Float in and out of FB. Least he will run support plays!
6. Whitehead - anyone but Jack.
7. Sezer
8. Paulo - no ball playing please.
9. Hodgson - 80mins or bust.
10. Boyd
11. Papalii
12. Bateman
13. Soliola

14. Austin - Whitehead or Wighton shift into backrow when on.
15. Taylor - He is fit enough for 20 mins surely
16. Lima - people who watch him say he is going well.
17. Tapine - Run hard son

I fully expect the same 17 to be named and run out however.
Just do something Ricky for christ's sake.
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Post by Botman »

With the season toast, and the most part of this squad locked in for 2018, the only thing we can do now is figure out the halves

It'd be great if we could go and pay what ever it takes for Maloney/Cronk and pick who suits his game best and do that. But failing that I'd probably do something really dumb and drastic
I'd drop Sezer/Austin or a month and out who ever in there and find out how the team responds
Then I'd give the other one the next month.

The halves have shown glimpses of being very good but it's never gotten there and both are playing pathetically. We have both off contract in 2018 and I suspect one will stay and one will leave between now and then

Stuart making the right call on which to send packing and who to replace him with is going to probably define this era of raiders footy

I get the arguments for both. Sezer is much better defensively and has shown he can run a team in the right system, but he's playing brutally bad and isnt doing his job but his ceiling is a good nrl half
Austin is limited as a footballer, will never be more than he is and is a terrible defender, but at his best is one of the most dangerous ball runners in the game, his ceiling is much higher but he is honestly the worst defender in the nrl right now and you can not win games regularly with him defending like this

So take each out, see how the team reacts and find the right fit to go with them
You likely lose a lot of games doing this. And maybe it pisses some of the players off, it'll never happen but I'd be interesting to see
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Re: 2017 Rd 17 V Cowboys: Teams and Previews

Post by Sydney_Raider »

Wighton won't be moved and the changes, if any, will be minimal.

Wighton
Cotric
Croker
BJ
Rapana
L Croker
A Sezer
Lima
Hodgson
Paulo
Whitehead
Papalii
Bateman

Bench: Baptiste, Soliola, Tapine Boyd.

Hodgson off when Baptiste comes on and Paulo to stay out of backline plays.
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