Is Ricky Stuart the right coach to take the Raiders forward

Hong Kong Raider · Post by **Hong Kong Raider** » June 10, 2017, 11:27 pm

Stuart's coaching record:

Statistics[edit]
Ricky Stuart – Coaching Results by Season[18]
NRL Team
Sydney Roosters
Year Games Wins Draws Losses Win % Notes
2002 28 20 1 7 71% Won 2002 NRL Grand Final against New Zealand Warriors
2003 27 19 0 8 70% Lost 2003 NRL Grand Final against Penrith Panthers
2004 27 21 0 6 78% Lost 2004 NRL Grand Final against Bulldogs
2005 24 11 0 13 46% Finished 9th (out of 15)
2006 24 8 0 16 33% Finished 14th (out of 15)
Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks

Year Games Wins Draws Losses Win % Notes
2007 24 10 0 14 42% Finished 11th (out of 16)
2008 25 18 0 7 72% Lost Grand Final qualifier against Melbourne Storm
2009 24 5 0 19 21% Finished 15th (out of 16)

Parramatta Eels

Year Games Wins Draws Losses Win % Notes
2013 24 5 0 19 21% Finished 16th (out of 16)

Canberra Raiders

2014 24 8 0 16 33% Finished 15th (out of 16)
2015 24 10 0 14 42% Finished 10th (out of 16)
2016 27 19 1 7 70% Finished 2nd (out of 16). Lost Preliminary Final to Melbourne Storm.
Career 301 153 2 146 51%

He's had three years now and the team he wants. We won't make the finals this year. So that makes it one year out of 4 for finals football.

We haven't progressed as a team and gotten complacent. He is too chummy with the players.

Tactics - not fixing the right hand side defence, giving away games, playing Paulo as a 5/8. Then gets rid of Vaughan who is going great guns at St George, but puts faith in losers like Bateman and Priest. Always the same press conference.

Look what winner did last year - Flanagan replaced Townsend during a finals game against when he was ****. Stuart just sits there with his constipated look

I am sick of this **** every week. Time to go - **** off. Coach Newcastle or work for your charity full time.

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » June 10, 2017, 11:30 pm

Yes. Unless Bellamy wants to come.

legend · Post by **legend** » June 10, 2017, 11:40 pm

Nope. Six losses by six points or less and three in golden point.

One of the worst seasons ever for the raiders when you consider where we finished last season.

We are a disgrace and the team is in free fall.

Gutless ****.

Dr Zaius · Post by **Dr Zaius** » June 10, 2017, 11:49 pm

The issue is defence. We score plenty of points. We fixed our defence second half of last year and went on a run to come second. Maybe we need Dean Pay back.

Post by **greeneyed** » June 11, 2017, 4:50 am

Dr Zaius wrote:The issue is defence. We score plenty of points. We fixed our defence second half of last year and went on a run to come second. Maybe we need Dean Pay back.

He hasn't gone anywhere?

Dr Zaius · Post by **Dr Zaius** » June 11, 2017, 6:58 am

greeneyed wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:The issue is defence. We score plenty of points. We fixed our defence second half of last year and went on a run to come second. Maybe we need Dean Pay back.
He hasn't gone anywhere?

Well, maybe he should then

CJR · Post by **CJR** » June 11, 2017, 7:39 am

It shouldn't even be a hard job to get THAT team up for 80 minutes of footy a week. The fact that Ricky can't is telling.

I like Ricky but something isn't right here.

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Green eyed Mick · Post by **Green eyed Mick** » June 11, 2017, 8:19 am

No he isn't. His ego prevents him from admitting when he has a problem. At every club he has ever coached, when things have started to go south he has doubled down and left those clubs in a far worse position than when he arrived.

We can't afford it. Record membership numbers, fans who drifted for years back on board. The good will the club earned through their best season in 20 years can't be wasted on a coach whose ignorance and arrogance is unsurpassed amongst RL coaches. Even if people want to give Sticky the lions share of credit for one good season in 4.

When Furner was the coach I criticised him for trying to turn players into something they weren't. For trying to get players to play a game that wasn't geared towards their individual strengths. This is exactly what Sticky is doing this year.

Paulo is an impact prop who should be used in stints of no more than 25 minutes. He becomes a liability when he is tired. Oppositions are exploiting his awful defence and Sticky's solution is to use him for longer each and every week.

Austin's strength is his running and his support play. He might have a big boot on him but he has no finesse or tactical smarts when it comes to his kicking and he doesn't look like he could organise a chook raffle. Too many times Austin is getting the ball on the 4th or 5th tackle when Sezer should be the man. This is coaching. If it wasn't coaching the coach would have nipped it in the bud 2 months ago.

I believe in strengths based coaching. Sticky isn't coaching to our strengths or the the players aren't following his directions. Either way he's responsible.

Sleek the Elite · Post by **Sleek the Elite** » June 11, 2017, 9:55 am

Of course he is. It's his team.

Most of these players wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Ricky.

Ricky as coach is going to be like a marriage.

For better or worse.

So far, it's been much better.

This season is a long way from done.

Post by **T_R** » June 11, 2017, 10:11 am

Sleek the Elite wrote:
This season is a long way from done.

Actually, I'd say it's very, very close to done.

What's the equation that Sean and Steve were talking about last night on The GH Live (very, very worth watching, by the way) - 7/10 from here to make the 8, with Storm x 2, Broncs, Cronulla, a trip to NZ and other assorted grief along the way?

I'd say it's 5 minutes to midnight for 2017.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » June 11, 2017, 10:12 am

As with the last thread, I think this one is 12 months too early
Given what we did last year, I'll happily give Stuart until about this time next year to right the ship

But one good season in 4 is sub optimal to say the least

Brew · Post by **Brew** » June 11, 2017, 10:12 am

edwahu wrote:Yes. Unless Bellamy wants to come.

x 2

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afgtnk · Post by **afgtnk** » June 11, 2017, 10:17 am

Who knows. Probably too early to tell at this stage. As Pigman has alluded to, he has earned the right to more time. The biggest test has come for him, because he needs to quickly adapt and evolve an approach that's become figured out and stale. That to me is one of the truest test of a good coach.

If he isn't, that shouldn't detract from the fact that he's put us in a great position to contend, short of a better half, middle forward, and some outside back depth.

rusty83 · Post by **rusty83** » June 11, 2017, 10:19 am

Id give him one more season. If we dont make the semis next year its time to look for a replacement. Its nice to have good players but if you cant mobilise them into a consistent outift whats the point? Were a shadow of the team we were last year, despite the same playing the group, which points to the coach as the problem.

Hazza · Post by **Hazza** » June 11, 2017, 10:20 am

haha 6 weeks ago after that League Life appearance everyone loved him. Look it's a fine line innit. We could soooo easy be on 18 points and entrenched in the 8. But Stick has made some indefensible decisions. I just can't defend the decision to let Vaughan go. It was a flat out mistake.

Sleek the Elite · Post by **Sleek the Elite** » June 11, 2017, 10:23 am

T_R wrote:
Sleek the Elite wrote:
This season is a long way from done.
Actually, I'd say it's very, very close to done.

What's the equation that Sean and Steve were talking about last night on The GH Live (very, very worth watching, by the way) - 7/10 from here to make the 8, with Storm x 2, Broncs, Cronulla, a trip to NZ and other assorted grief along the way?

I'd say it's 5 minutes to midnight for 2017.

In the next four weeks we play the bye twice and two teams from the tropics in a Canberra winter.

Collect the maximum points from that and we're back on par with 8 weeks of the regular season left.

If we're good enough, we'll be there when it matters.

Sun Coast Raider · Post by **Sun Coast Raider** » June 11, 2017, 10:30 am

Hazza wrote:haha 6 weeks ago after that League Life appearance everyone loved him. Look it's a fine line innit. We could soooo easy be on 18 points and entrenched in the 8. But Stick has made some indefensible decisions. I just can't defend the decision to let Vaughan go. It was a flat out mistake.

I'd say most of us love Sticky. But a huge portion of that is what he did as a player.
His record as a coach here is a problem.

I want the guy to succeed but I don't know if he is capable of changing. And he needs too.

gangrenous · Post by **gangrenous** » June 11, 2017, 10:36 am

Pigman wrote:As with the last thread, I think this one is 12 months too early
Given what we did last year, I'll happily give Stuart until about this time next year to right the ship

But one good season in 4 is sub optimal to say the least

To be fair it's one good season in 3 as his first was with Furner's team. He'll even 2015 was still possibly a rebuild write-off.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » June 11, 2017, 10:37 am

Yeah... na
That's not going to cut it Greeny

No other coach is afforded that luxury

Botman · Post by **Botman** » June 11, 2017, 10:42 am

T_R wrote:
Sleek the Elite wrote:
This season is a long way from done.
Actually, I'd say it's very, very close to done.

What's the equation that Sean and Steve were talking about last night on The GH Live (very, very worth watching, by the way) - 7/10 from here to make the 8, with Storm x 2, Broncs, Cronulla, a trip to NZ and other assorted grief along the way?

I'd say it's 5 minutes to midnight for 2017.

I think it is over
We may rally from here and make the 8, probably not but maybe
Either way this team is cannon fodder for the Storm/Sharks/Roosters

We entered this season thinking the team could win a premiership. That was the goal
We are not winning the competition in 2017, so as far as that is concerned, it's over

Green eyed Mick · Post by **Green eyed Mick** » June 11, 2017, 10:59 am

Improvement is the most critical and important KPIs for any coach in any league in any sport in the world.

Can someone who wants to give Sticky another 3 years (or even another year) please point to one area of our game we have shown continuous improvement in since he arrived?

Kryptonite · Post by **Kryptonite** » June 11, 2017, 11:49 am

2017 Canberra Raiders, first team in NRL history to win a premiership from outside the top four!
Ricky Stuart master coach, ok maybe not BUT
Put the pitch forks away, Stuart is here to stay and so is the current roster until at least the end of the 2020 season, so stop crying in your beers and cancelling your fox sports and thank sweet Jesus you are not living in Syria!

mongoose · Post by **mongoose** » June 11, 2017, 11:52 am

Stuart has done more for this club than anyone in the last 20+ years. He has helped bring back crowds, he assembled one of the most talented squads in the comp against the odds and instilled a culture where players want to play for the club and stay in canberra.

I think Stuart was 100% right in that the other teams have figured us out and that is to nullify Hodgson. Let's be honest, he carried this team last year in terms of play making. He hasn't been anywhere near as effective this year and the halves haven't adjusted to having to take more of the load. The team also needs to learn to play for 80min and not clock off as soon as they are ahead on the scoreboard, that may just be an experience issue though cause I am pretty sure Stuart would drum that into them weekly.

Northern Raider · Post by **Northern Raider** » June 11, 2017, 11:56 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:Improvement is the most critical and important KPIs for any coach in any league in any sport in the world.

Can someone who wants to give Sticky another 3 years (or even another year) please point to one area of our game we have shown continuous improvement in since he arrived?

Our wingers

rusty83 · Post by **rusty83** » June 11, 2017, 12:10 pm

I cant understand the fluctuations in performance levels. Even with Furner there were times when we looked unstoppable. Then the next season we were garbage again. The same trend is manifesting with Stuart. How much of it is coaching, and how much of it is other things like luck and player psychology? Perhaps this season is our baseline and last was an exception to the rule. Perhaps players like Elliot, Hodgson, Wighton, Austin, Boyd etc arent as good as we think they are and one or two seasons doenst make a summer. There were periods when players like Buttriss, Williams, Mccrone, Robinson etc all looked to be capable at this level but over time were exposed as out of their depth.

The major problem we have is depth imo. There is a lack of competition for spots and the incumbents think they are secure in their contracts and positions. If I were Stuart i would consider dropping Austin and another senior player for a game or two. That might snap the rest of the team out of their stupor and not take their selection for granted. Also I bet there are a lot of young players champing at the bit for a run and it wouldnt hurt to inject some much needed enthusiasm in the side.

DJ89 · Post by **DJ89** » June 11, 2017, 12:42 pm

If we did get rid of Stuart, who is a replacement we'd look at?

In my lifetime as a Raider I reckon we've had one or two season we could defend. Can we look at getting a coach renowned for toughness and defence? Please GE!?

Aero · Post by **Aero** » June 11, 2017, 12:55 pm

I know.. lets get rid of Stuart and go hire last year's Dally M Coach of the Year?

Post by **greeneyed** » June 11, 2017, 1:04 pm

DJ89 wrote:If we did get rid of Stuart, who is a replacement we'd look at?

In my lifetime as a Raider I reckon we've had one or two season we could defend. Can we look at getting a coach renowned for toughness and defence? Please GE!?

I'm not sure I've got anything to do with it!

CJR · Post by **CJR** » June 11, 2017, 1:06 pm

I wonder if Cleary would drive his bus this way...

Nah. Look I really want Ricky to turn this around but I just don't know if he can.

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papabear · Post by **papabear** » June 11, 2017, 3:07 pm

gangrenous wrote:
Pigman wrote:As with the last thread, I think this one is 12 months too early
Given what we did last year, I'll happily give Stuart until about this time next year to right the ship

But one good season in 4 is sub optimal to say the least
To be fair it's one good season in 3 as his first was with Furner's team. He'll even 2015 was still possibly a rebuild write-off.

Lol what a garbage post.

By that logic his first two seasons with the roosters should count and if you take them away his coaching record is **** horrendous.

IMO I dont know which way to go on him as a coach. He has built a strong team and he is very defensive of our players, maybe even to much so.

I would like to see how the season plays out before I comment, even with a hard draw it is still a possibility we go on a bit of a run and do some damage.

gangrenous · Post by **gangrenous** » June 11, 2017, 3:42 pm

papabear wrote:
gangrenous wrote:
Pigman wrote:As with the last thread, I think this one is 12 months too early
Given what we did last year, I'll happily give Stuart until about this time next year to right the ship

But one good season in 4 is sub optimal to say the least
To be fair it's one good season in 3 as his first was with Furner's team. He'll even 2015 was still possibly a rebuild write-off.
Lol what a garbage post.

By that logic his first two seasons with the roosters should count and if you take them away his coaching record is **** horrendous.

IMO I dont know which way to go on him as a coach. He has built a strong team and he is very defensive of our players, maybe even to much so.

I would like to see how the season plays out before I comment, even with a hard draw it is still a possibility we go on a bit of a run and do some damage.

You're a garbage post.

Straw man argument. I said nothing of his record with Roosters.

Kryptonite · Post by **Kryptonite** » June 11, 2017, 4:19 pm

Aero wrote:I know.. lets get rid of Stuart and go hire last year's Dally M Coach of the Year?

Let's throw the bank at Geoff Toovey

Dr Zaius · Post by **Dr Zaius** » June 11, 2017, 5:09 pm

Pigman wrote:
T_R wrote:
Sleek the Elite wrote:
This season is a long way from done.
Actually, I'd say it's very, very close to done.

What's the equation that Sean and Steve were talking about last night on The GH Live (very, very worth watching, by the way) - 7/10 from here to make the 8, with Storm x 2, Broncs, Cronulla, a trip to NZ and other assorted grief along the way?

I'd say it's 5 minutes to midnight for 2017.
I think it is over
We may rally from here and make the 8, probably not but maybe
Either way this team is cannon fodder for the Storm/Sharks/Roosters

We entered this season thinking the team could win a premiership. That was the goal
We are not winning the competition in 2017, so as far as that is concerned, it's over

papabear · Post by **papabear** » June 11, 2017, 5:27 pm

gangrenous wrote:
papabear wrote:
gangrenous wrote:
Pigman wrote:As with the last thread, I think this one is 12 months too early
Given what we did last year, I'll happily give Stuart until about this time next year to right the ship

But one good season in 4 is sub optimal to say the least
To be fair it's one good season in 3 as his first was with Furner's team. He'll even 2015 was still possibly a rebuild write-off.
Lol what a garbage post.

By that logic his first two seasons with the roosters should count and if you take them away his coaching record is **** horrendous.

IMO I dont know which way to go on him as a coach. He has built a strong team and he is very defensive of our players, maybe even to much so.

I would like to see how the season plays out before I comment, even with a hard draw it is still a possibility we go on a bit of a run and do some damage.
You're a garbage post.

Straw man argument. I said nothing of his record with Roosters.

you are a garbager post.

if you dont count his first two seasons with the raiders because he didnt assemble that side.

The same logic applies for his first two seasons at the roosters.

Think really hard about it.

Brew · Post by **Brew** » June 11, 2017, 5:33 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:Improvement is the most critical and important KPIs for any coach in any league in any sport in the world.

Can someone who wants to give Sticky another 3 years (or even another year) please point to one area of our game we have shown continuous improvement in since he arrived?

Our attitude, we are competitive most weeks unlike before. We just don't execute well or have the players to polish off the performance.

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