The end of the smokescreen

Toviii · Post by **Toviii** » February 19, 2017, 11:01 am

A long and (at times) controversial tradition dies this year.

Thoughts?

Toviii · Post by **Toviii** » February 19, 2017, 11:02 am

Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 15be89c06e

julian87 · Post by **julian87** » February 19, 2017, 11:05 am

'players not named deemed ineligible' seems a bit **** ridiculous.

Stuart names our extended bench as: Clydsdale, Turner, Taylor, Bateman, Priest, Lui, Lima and Santo.

Then on Wednesday Sezer does his hamstring at training and we're not allowed to bring in Lachlan Croker for him? Please.

This seems like a step in the right direction but instead of what's being good for the game it's what is fairer for the betting companies. And **** betting companies they don't need any **** assistance making money.

Danaman137 · Post by **Danaman137** » February 19, 2017, 11:08 am

Ricky's secret weapon is gone!

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 19, 2017, 11:12 am

I think it stinks.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 11:15 am

Nooooooooooooo!

pickles · Post by **pickles** » February 19, 2017, 11:16 am

This is unenforceable. Most clubs play the players who are named most weeks anyway but as stated above, specialist players need to be able to come in when required.

Gambling has enough influence on the game without this ****.

Post by **greeneyed** » February 19, 2017, 11:20 am

We shouldn't give a damn about the gambling. Clubs should be free to play whoever they need.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 11:20 am

I like this rule
The smokescreen stuff is Bull to begin with and a waste of everyone's time haha

As long as there is a mechanism to get a specialist hooker/half into your squad should an injury occur at training then it's all good

TongueFTW · Post by **TongueFTW** » February 19, 2017, 11:23 am

This is about the integrity of the game.

It means players can stop leaking information regarding lineups to people to have a punt, not about best information for punters. Remember the classic story of Johns being out and Eddie Hayson making a mint.

As you guys point out, it needs more work (specialist positions), but more information is a good thing.

Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 11:28 am

Hang on, I didn't even read the picture
There already is a mechanism to get specialists in, you've just got to go through the nrl to do it

So the rule is great
No more stupid smokescreens and if Blake Austin breaks his hand on the Friday session, we ring the nrl, explain what's happened and that we need to bring in Lachlan Croker who was not named, they say "yeah that's fair enough" and everyone moves on

Beautiful

That said, RIP smokescreen

edwahu · Post by **edwahu** » February 19, 2017, 11:28 am

TongueFTW wrote:This is about the integrity of the game.

It means players can stop leaking information regarding lineups to people to have a punt, not about best information for punters. Remember the classic story of Johns being out and Eddie Hayson making a mint.

As you guys point out, it needs more work (specialist positions), but more information is a good thing.

But how does it stop players leaking info about lineups? The players will still know who is playing, even if 21 are named

simo · Post by **simo** » February 19, 2017, 11:32 am

So is this just so betting agencies can set there market more accurately?

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Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 11:36 am

simo wrote:So is this just so betting agencies can set there market more accurately?

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I'd say it's more about things like RLW who probably pay a bit of coin for the rights to cover the game the way they do and finding their magazine printed on Tuesday is worthless by Friday

I don't think gambling agencies give much of a **** when Shannon Boyd is out. The players who move the lines are about 10-15 deep, and the betting agencies are already keyed in those situations

cat · Post by **cat** » February 19, 2017, 11:36 am

Dumb question guys, but what do the betting agencies do for rugby League?
Do they donate money to junior league? Donate to the running of the game? Men of league?

Then why bend over backwards for them? Players know the consequence if they deal with them , be strict in enforcing that

Just seems like this new system is a lot of work for no real gain and another area the nrl can be accused of playing favorites

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Post by **greeneyed** » February 19, 2017, 11:36 am

Why doesn't the NRL focus on something that matters? Like getting rid of third party deals? Or ensuring clubs get rewarded, not penalised, for junior development?

Talk about finding a solution to a problem, that doesn't exist! I mean... what is the problem?

Makaveli · Post by **Makaveli** » February 19, 2017, 11:46 am

It's quite ironic isn't it. We are constantly having betting markets shoved down our throats at every broadcast. Not to mention, agencies sponsoring clubs and now having naming rights on a stadium. A player has a punt and they are banished from the game for life.

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Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 11:47 am

For what it's worth... we are 3 weeks out from round 1 and agencies already have their lines set for week 1, those lines won't change outside of market influence unless there is a an injury to one of 10-15 Smith/JT level players in the league

This isn't about gambling guys haha

Edit: and by that I mean it's not about the agencies having accurate information to set markets

It may be about players being involved in shady gambling situations

Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 12:04 pm

Makaveli wrote:It's quite ironic isn't it. We are constantly having betting markets shoved down our throats at every broadcast. Not to mention, agencies sponsoring clubs and now having naming rights on a stadium. A player has a punt and they are banished from the game for life.

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Yeah it's pretty terrible given how betting has managed to worm its way into all facets of how our game is covered

But in saying that the league HAS to have a zero tolerance to this. The integrity of the results must never be compromised. As a sport if you get to that point ever, you're cooked.

I put it back on our legislators who have seen fit to ban alcohol and cigarette sponsorships and advertisement but have not yet done the same for gambling

I don't blame the league for taking the agencies money, the league isn't rich enough to knock back the money they throw at them. It's up to our law makers to put a stop to it

cat · Post by **cat** » February 19, 2017, 12:14 pm

Betting has become ridiculous, when prince William and princess Katherine were here you could bet on who would carry prince George out of the plane and on which hip!

I agree with zero tolerance in regard to players and officials but I think the government needs to do something to regulate it better

They limit poker machines (a good thing don't get me wrong) even though poker machines at clubs put a lot of money back into the community
You never hear of s betting agency donating to anything

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cat · Post by **cat** » February 19, 2017, 12:16 pm

Pigman wrote:
Makaveli wrote:It's quite ironic isn't it. We are constantly having betting markets shoved down our throats at every broadcast. Not to mention, agencies sponsoring clubs and now having naming rights on a stadium. A player has a punt and they are banished from the game for life.

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Yeah it's pretty terrible given how betting has managed to worm its way into all facets of how our game is covered

But in saying that the league HAS to have a zero tolerance to this. The integrity of the results must never be compromised. As a sport if you get to that point ever, you're cooked.

I put it back on our legislators who have seen fit to ban alcohol and cigarette sponsorships and advertisement but have not yet done the same for gambling

I don't blame the league for taking the agencies money, the league isn't rich enough to knock back the money they throw at them. It's up to our law makers to put a stop to it

How much money does the league actually get out of it?
Honest question maybe the agency who has the official betting agency tag might but that's it isn't it

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Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 12:19 pm

No idea how much it is
But Sportsbet or who ever pay them something to have their odds advertised at pre game, halftime, on the footy show and that "official" betting partner of the nrl tag

The nrl isn't giving that away for free, I promise you that

Sid · Post by **Sid** » February 19, 2017, 12:21 pm

Sounds good.

I dare say the NRL will end up being pretty relaxed with the exemption for late-inclusion players though it makes it a bit harder for them I suppose.

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Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 12:22 pm

I suspect the NRL will eventually move to some kind of injury report situation like American sports

Sid · Post by **Sid** » February 19, 2017, 12:25 pm

Pigman wrote:I suspect the NRL will eventually move to some kind of injury report situation like American sports

How does that work?

1992 · Post by **1992** » February 19, 2017, 12:27 pm

I think the NRL is using this as a smokescreen. Discuss....

Botman · Post by **Botman** » February 19, 2017, 12:39 pm

Sid wrote:
Pigman wrote:I suspect the NRL will eventually move to some kind of injury report situation like American sports
How does that work?

In the NFL every day the clubs release a simple one page report that states the player, what type of injury they are dealing with and assigns them a status of "out", "doubtful" "questionable" or "probable"

Out means they absolutely, 100% not play
Doubtful means less than 50% chances they play
Questionable means it could go either way
Probable means they are more likely than not to play

They fine teams for circumventing these rules. It's still open for abuse, some teams don't list their players, and the easy option is just to put everyone as doubtful and see how it shakes out game day.

It's hard to enforce and not perfect but it does help with limiting contact between players and shady gambling connections looking for inside word on injuries

TongueFTW · Post by **TongueFTW** » February 19, 2017, 1:38 pm

Pitman gets it - it's about integrity of the game, and that is a pretty important issue.

Brew · Post by **Brew** » February 19, 2017, 2:23 pm

Dave Furner will never be able to be a head coach again.

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Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 4:54 pm

I think it is good move and should be applauded.

It is similar to the rules in AFL where you name 22 plus three emergencies. If you are playing Sunday or later you can name 7 on the bench and reduce it to four plus three emergencies on Friday night.

If you want to go outside the 25 you need to get permission.

I have always thought this open slather in the NRL was a bit ridiculous.

Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 4:56 pm

Pigman wrote:
Sid wrote:
Pigman wrote:I suspect the NRL will eventually move to some kind of injury report situation like American sports
How does that work?
In the NFL every day the clubs release a simple one page report that states the player, what type of injury they are dealing with and assigns them a status of "out", "doubtful" "questionable" or "probable"

Out means they absolutely, 100% not play
Doubtful means less than 50% chances they play
Questionable means it could go either way
Probable means they are more likely than not to play

They fine teams for circumventing these rules. It's still open for abuse, some teams don't list their players, and the easy option is just to put everyone as doubtful and see how it shakes out game day.

It's hard to enforce and not perfect but it does help with limiting contact between players and shady gambling connections looking for inside word on injuries

The American sports are very good an ensuring information is public. As well the need to do set media appearances at certain times. It is far better than the approach of Australian sports.

Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 4:58 pm

greeneyed wrote:We shouldn't give a damn about the gambling. Clubs should be free to play whoever they need.

We HAVE to give a dam about gambling. Not because we care about whether punters lose money but we have to protect the integrity of the game.

Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 5:00 pm

Makaveli wrote:It's quite ironic isn't it. We are constantly having betting markets shoved down our throats at every broadcast. Not to mention, agencies sponsoring clubs and now having naming rights on a stadium. A player has a punt and they are banished from the game for life.

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Sports have made the decision that they are better being inside the tent than outside.

Of course players should not be allowed to get on games.

Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 5:02 pm

julian87 wrote:'players not named deemed ineligible' seems a bit **** ridiculous.

Stuart names our extended bench as: Clydsdale, Turner, Taylor, Bateman, Priest, Lui, Lima and Santo.

Then on Wednesday Sezer does his hamstring at training and we're not allowed to bring in Lachlan Croker for him? Please.

This seems like a step in the right direction but instead of what's being good for the game it's what is fairer for the betting companies. And **** betting companies they don't need any **** assistance making money.

This is where you can go to the NRL to get permission to bring in someone different and I expect 99% of the time it will be granted.

Bay53 · Post by **Bay53** » February 19, 2017, 5:04 pm

One of the best things about gambling and sport is it has meant all the sports are on live and in full.

Remember when Ch 9 used to have one Friday night game on delay at 8.30pm and it used to go for hours. None of that happens any more.