Paul Vaughan signs with the Dragons

[simo]

Imagine telling your boss youve got a job lined up somewhere else and you want him to pay you 100k for a year to go and work there, in direct competition against him

[Botman]

Yeah like hell we are paying him to leave. Good luck with that

If we want him gone, and it appears we do
Paying for the privilege is just SOP now days. We pay 100k to save 350k to get a guy the coach doesn't want off our roster
Ignoring what we may think of the player and talking purely about money, spending 100k to save 350% of that is sound cap practise

[Botman]

I doubt that's due to salary cap pressure, no club is going to take him off our hands for nothing. Stuart wants him gone and other clubs know it, they were never going to give us a free get out

Only paying 100k of the deal seems pretty good to me

And its only for next year right?

Yep
They are on the hook for the entire amount from 2018 onwards
Similar to what we did with Tapine and Paulo, their former clubs paid x amount until their contract ends, we pick up the full bill and an upgrade there after

[simo]

Yeah like hell we are paying him to leave. Good luck with that

If we want him gone, and it appears we do
Paying for the privilege is just SOP now days. We pay 100k to save 350k to get a guy the coach doesn't want off our roster
Ignoring what we may think of the player and talking purely about money, spending 100k to save 350% of that is sound cap practise

you give the guy the option of walking from his contract. You dont cone to the table and bay him to leave when hes got a club lined up willing to pay overs for him already

[Botman]

That's just not how the real NRL works, I'm afraid
Otherwise we'd be paying full freight on Paulo and Tapine this year instead of tipping in barely anything for them

The guys at the other end of the negotiation table are professionals too.

We want him gone, the only way to facilitate that and have a club take him on early is to pay foot some of the bill.
If we said "nope, we're not paying for him", they'd just sign him for 2018-19 and wait it out like we did with Paulo and Tapine.

[simo]

Thats not what happened with tapine at all. We picked him up for the entire cheap contract newcastle were paying him. Tapine was happy because he was lined up with the contract for the following 3-4 years

[gerg]

Maybe they could throw in BJs brother to sweeten the deal or is he off to the Doggies?

[simo]

Paulo we got on the same cheap contract the eels had him on. Drags can do the same. Pay him what we were paying him next year and his higher contract kicks in the following year.

[zim]

Not surprised he is heading off. The coin's likely not as much as reported (remember Tapine was coming to us for America's annual military budget) but it is obviously more than we are prepared to pay for someone that's not buying in.
Sorry to see him go though I don't think you can expect to play rep football if you are not prepared to put in off the park and you definitely don't play as well as you can if you don't prepare well.

Potential props considering which way we want to go:
Ben Hannant (lots of experience)
Sam Moa (feels he needs to prove himself)
Brenton Lawrence (mobile, if he can stay fit, and if we are having cap issues he wouldn't be expensive -- just read he is staying with manly for 2017 so I assume he's off the market)
Luciano Leilua (young kid that could be anything if he commits in the off season)

Or we could go a completely different route and spend some money on a lock (Elijah Taylor) and put Sia into prop next to Paulo. Would give us a bit more mobility and shifts Boyd to the bench so we don't have a lull in go forward sometimes. That might solve itself though with our kids and priest getting another off season under their belts, or Lima fit and raring to go again for a 20min barrage.

Really not looking forward to changing my avatar.

[Botman]

Thats not what happened with tapine at all. We picked him up for the entire cheap contract newcastle were paying him. Tapine was happy because he was lined up with the contract for the following 3-4 years

That's not what happened at all, Simo
He was signed 4 months into the pay season, the Knights saved 85k, but had already paid him between November than March, which was probably worth 50kish already
They paid plenty of freight to have him play for us in 2016

[simo]

Not surprised he is heading off. The coin's likely not as much as reported (remember Tapine was coming to us for America's annual military budget) but it is obviously more than we are prepared to pay for someone that's not buying in.
Sorry to see him go though I don't think you can expect to play rep football if you are not prepared to put in off the park and you definitely don't play as well as you can if you don't prepare well.

Potential props considering which way we want to go:
Ben Hannant (lots of experience)
Sam Moa (feels he needs to prove himself)
Brenton Lawrence (mobile, if he can stay fit, and if we are having cap issues he wouldn't be expensive)
Luciano Leilua (young kid that could be anything if he commits in the off season)

Or we could go a completely different route and spend some money on a lock (Elijah Taylor) and put Sia into prop next to Paulo. Would give us a bit more mobility and shifts Boyd to the bench so we don't have a lull in go forward sometimes. That might solve itself though with our kids and priest getting another off season under their belts, or Lima fit and raring to go again for a 20min barrage.

Really not looking forward to changing my avatar.

fifita?

[zim]

I'll just make it of myself with an FKL tattoo across my chest then sit back and watch GE berate me and Dr Zaius defend me.
I mean if you're going to go **** might as well go full ****.

[BadnMean]

He's a good bloke whenever I've bumped into him, sad to see him go if true. Hope he goes well and earns that blue jersey he's threatened to at times wherever he ends up.

[Raiders_Pat]

I've seen Luciano Leilua mentioned a few times now, but does anybody know how substantial these rumours are? He would be an awesome addition to our squad. I'm of the understanding that his supposed signing with the Bulldogs was never announced officially. Am I just being hopeful, or might there be some validity to the claims?

[zim]

I've seen Luciano Leilua mentioned a few times now, but does anybody know how substantial these rumours are? He would be an awesome addition to our squad. I'm of the understanding that his supposed signing with the Bulldogs was never announced officially. Am I just being hopeful, or might there be some validity to the claims?

Just speculation. Last I read he was sorting out his management before sorting out his contract. But I think the dragons throwing so much at Vaughan shows they are not holding on to Leilua. I mean they were having cap issues already if reports are to be believed.

[RTW]

I've seen Luciano Leilua mentioned a few times now, but does anybody know how substantial these rumours are? He would be an awesome addition to our squad. I'm of the understanding that his supposed signing with the Bulldogs was never announced officially. Am I just being hopeful, or might there be some validity to the claims?

Just speculation. Last I read he was sorting out his management before sorting out his contract. But I think the dragons throwing so much at Vaughan shows they are not holding on to Leilua. I mean they were having cap issues already if reports are to be believed.

I wouldn't hold out any hope of him coming our way. The money being talked about would no doubt prove us out of the equation.


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[Green_Hammock]

Best of luck Vaughany. I will no doubt hate the Dragons a little less if you go there.

[greeneyed]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

[Postman Pat]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

Didn't we sign a kid mountain from the Bunnies under 20's this year? Or was that last year?

Move Vaughan on must be about how much cap we have tied up in our front rower.

[Northern Raider]

Yeah like hell we are paying him to leave. Good luck with that

If we want him gone, and it appears we do
Paying for the privilege is just SOP now days. We pay 100k to save 350k to get a guy the coach doesn't want off our roster
Ignoring what we may think of the player and talking purely about money, spending 100k to save 350% of that is sound cap practise

We need to add somebody to the squad to replace him. The $100k will effectively be added to that person's cap value for 2017. If its somebody near minimum then our net cap gain will be around $250k. This is more likely to be used to top up an existing contract for one of our bargain buys (Hodgson, Whitehead, Rapana etc) to secure them on a deal from 2018 onwards.

[edwahu]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

Didn't we sign a kid mountain from the Bunnies under 20's this year? Or was that last year?

Move Vaughan on must be about how much cap we have tied up in our front rower.

Yeah, we signed Emre Guler from the Rabbitohs. He would be at least a couple of years off first grade though. We did extend Daniel Dole, so he would also be an option for depth.

[Botman]

Yeah that monster from Souths is only 18-19. Probably 18 months off FG

[Northern Raider]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

Didn't we sign a kid mountain from the Bunnies under 20's this year? Or was that last year?

Move Vaughan on must be about how much cap we have tied up in our front rower.

Yeah, we signed Emre Guler from the Rabbitohs. He would be at least a couple of years off first grade though. We did extend Daniel Dole, so he would also be an option for depth.

We should be getting him for $528.70 per fortnight.

[Beejay]

I'm happy with Boyd, Paulo, Tapine and Priest as our starting Front rowers.
To free up $350k after you've paid him out, sounds like a good cap management decision. We'll add someone with potential on minimum, and give the leftover 200k to one or two as a way to upgrade and extend contracts.

[BJ]

This is where we can't compete with the third party deals from other clubs. That extra money allows clubs to stockpile talent like Vaughan. We are under more pressure to juggle players and salary cap around. Wouldn't it be great to have Corey Parker for $200k, imagine what he'd bring to our squad.

[RTW]

Has the NRL indicated that they are reducing the interchange from 8 to 6 any time soon?

[greeneyed]

Shannon Boyd hopes Paul Vaughan sticks with Canberra Raiders, but says mate has to make call

Kangaroos contender Shannon Boyd remains hopeful close mate Paul Vaughan will stay in Canberra next year.

"I'll have a talk to Vaughany ... I don't know what he's doing but I'd love for him to stay at the club," Boyd said. "We are good mates and I'd miss the big fella if he moved away. But he's got to do what's in his best interests and you've got to put yourself in his shoes. It's a tough one but I'll back him with whatever he does."

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-l ... ruusb.html

[edwahu]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

Didn't we sign a kid mountain from the Bunnies under 20's this year? Or was that last year?

Move Vaughan on must be about how much cap we have tied up in our front rower.

Yeah, we signed Emre Guler from the Rabbitohs. He would be at least a couple of years off first grade though. We did extend Daniel Dole, so he would also be an option for depth.

We should be getting him for $528.70 per fortnight.

You're thinking of Daniel Newstart.

[Thombre]

[Raiders666]

This is where we can't compete with the third party deals from other clubs. That extra money allows clubs to stockpile talent like Vaughan. We are under more pressure to juggle players and salary cap around. Wouldn't it be great to have Corey Parker for $200k, imagine what he'd bring to our squad.

Our 3rd party game is also pretty strong from what I've heard

[reptar]

Too many parties is the problem!

[VictorTheViking]

Hannant or elijah taylor would be good pickups

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[Green eyed Mick]

We should sign this bloke

[woppadingo]

I see Priest and Vaughan as having essentially the same body type. Considering Priest usurped Vaughan in the top 17, and is probably on only about $150K (just guessing), it makes sense to let Vaughan go. We replace like for like and save $300K to retain players beyond their current contracts. A club like ours needs a cheapie like Priest to remain competitive. Its the price of success.

Sad to see a local boy go. I hope he stays and wants to prove himself, but ~$600K a year is ridiculous to turn down.
Good luck to him whatever he decides.

[Postman Pat]

We absolutely need another big bopper if we lose Vaughan.

Didn't we sign a kid mountain from the Bunnies under 20's this year? Or was that last year?

Move Vaughan on must be about how much cap we have tied up in our front rower.

Yeah, we signed Emre Guler from the Rabbitohs. He would be at least a couple of years off first grade though. We did extend Daniel Dole, so he would also be an option for depth.

So he's very young, hopefully he's good to go for 2018 after Lima finishes up.