Junior Paulo signs with Canberra Raiders

[Rick]

Anyone that doesn't think at least half the teams in the comp are cheating the cap is living in fairy land. Parra were just silly enough to get caught.

so let them off? Again, we can all think every club is rorting the cap as much as we like. Until it can be proven, it means nothing

The NRL salary cap auditors couldn't uncover the wrapping on a slice of cheese because they are toothless and are too stupid to give themselves the powers to properly police the cap. None of the large rorting has been uncovered by the NRL.

This is correct. Why have a rule if it can not be enforced.


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[Northern Raider]

It's farcical. I hope the storm and Bulldogs smash the NRL in court.

Their fans are understandably miffed at the penalty given to the Eels. They begrudgingly copped their own punishment on the chin. Would burn like acid seeing a rival club get a much lesser penalty for the same thing.

[Green Hornet]

This whole thing with the eels is a farce. If the only damage to the playing roster is the retirement of Watmough is a joke.

Its like playing a game of poker and you get dealt an extra card then being about to give back a **** card rather than the extra card you were given. (we'll have a Jennings, Scott and Foran but you can have Watmough back!!)

[CJ42]

This whole thing with the eels is a farce. If the only damage to the playing roster is the retirement of Watmough is a joke.

Its like playing a game of poker and you get dealt an extra card then being about to give back a **** card rather than the extra card you were given. (we'll have a Jennings, Scott and Foran but you can have Watmough back!!)

Sort of like Broncos cap management

[simo]

This whole thing with the eels is a farce. If the only damage to the playing roster is the retirement of Watmough is a joke.

Its like playing a game of poker and you get dealt an extra card then being about to give back a **** card rather than the extra card you were given. (we'll have a Jennings, Scott and Foran but you can have Watmough back!!)

thats possibly the best analogy for it ive read

[RedRaider]

The NRL has been strong on those it has had evidence of deliberate cheating on in the past (Storm/Dogs). I don't see why the situation with Parramatta should be any different. If it's proven in 2016 they have deliberately rorted the cap then they should play for zero points in 2016. No wishy washy deduction of some points and then dump a dud and its all ok. This type of thinking on suitable punishment eeludes me.

[Seiffert82]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

[CJ42]

Aren't they over more per year than the other two clubs were?

[Botman]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

The difference is Parramatta is a rugby league heartland under direct attack from 2 codes

The cynic in me says that has and will continue to play a role

[-TW-]

Aren't they over more per year than the other two clubs were?

No, storm were 1.04 mil over in 2010

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[Schifty]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

The difference is Parramatta is a rugby league heartland under direct attack from 2 codes

The cynic in me says that has and will continue to play a role

Yep, those Giants are also getting too good at this AFL thing.

[DJ89]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

The difference is Parramatta is a rugby league heartland under direct attack from 2 codes

The cynic in me says that has and will continue to play a role

If the NRL handles this poorly I reckon they'll lose a hell of a lot more fans then if they strip them of points. You can't make your code look like a circus to keep fans.

[Organised Chaos]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

The difference is Parramatta is a rugby league heartland under direct attack from 2 codes

The cynic in me says that has and will continue to play a role

If the NRL handles this poorly I reckon they'll lose a hell of a lot more fans then if they strip them of points. You can't make your code look like a circus to keep fans.

Umn, I beg to differ and present as evidence, exhibit A: Rugby League

[scotchberry]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

[LP Raider]

The difference between the Eels case and the Dogs/Storm is that....ahhh, bugger it...there is no difference.

The difference is Parramatta is a rugby league heartland under direct attack from 2 codes

The cynic in me says that has and will continue to play a role

If the NRL handles this poorly I reckon they'll lose a hell of a lot more fans then if they strip them of points. You can't make your code look like a circus to keep fans.

tbh the Eels have been a basket case on the field so probably in this situation it would have been best to let it go to the keeper.

The code is a joke…just give us JP and its O.K.

[Green eyed Mick]

If they have to offload Paulo or someone of similar value (Peats, Scott, Norman) and they manage to do it this week than I am ok with them earning points.

[Archer]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

Any chance you could post a bit of a snippet (not the whole thing) from there pretty please? Getting a paywall and it's unlikely that I'll find myself looking at tele articles from london often enough to justify paying
I am curious as to all this kind of news though of course.
#FreeJP

[Archer]

I just had an idea, could we afford to give FPN to the Eels and continue paying his salary this year as a sweetener for Paulo? That way they would lose all of his salary without the need to replace it with a 2nd tier topup and we would avoid the risk of Ricky giving Frank a reprieve.

[Manbush]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

Any chance you could post a bit of a snippet (not the whole thing) from there pretty please? Getting a paywall and it's unlikely that I'll find myself looking at tele articles from london often enough to justify paying
I am curious as to all this kind of news though of course.
#FreeJP

"PARRAMATTA will have to offload one more player to fit under the salary cap and be free to play for competition points against South Sydney on Friday night."

[RaiderSteve78]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

If they do have to shed one more player to get under the cap for Friday. Would a club consider stalling a couple of days to make sure the Eels are one step closer to being out of contention. Whilst I don't think they are going to make the 8 whilst they can still make the 8 they are a danger team with nothing to loose.

[Archer]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

Any chance you could post a bit of a snippet (not the whole thing) from there pretty please? Getting a paywall and it's unlikely that I'll find myself looking at tele articles from london often enough to justify paying
I am curious as to all this kind of news though of course.
#FreeJP

"PARRAMATTA will have to offload one more player to fit under the salary cap and be free to play for competition points against South Sydney on Friday night."

"Thanks" Bushy, I was more concerned with the finer details the article might have as to whether its likely to be a highly paid player or some scrub nuffie on a pie and coke and I didn't see that info in the URL...
Anyway, I've had some other help (thanks again) and managed to get the details , sounds possible it's JP, but that could be my wishful thinking.

[Manbush]

Sorry mate I'm locked out now to, just copied it from what I posted in the Parra thread, from memory it didn't mention what price the player would have to be.

I live in Australia and still not going to pay for that crap.

[Archer]

Sorry mate I'm locked out now to, just copied it from what I posted in the Parra thread, from memory it didn't mention what price the player would have to be.

I live in Australia and still not going to pay for that crap.

All good, I think the important part was this:

"While Morgan’s move south knocked off $70,000 from the Eels’ cap, the sticking point remains Watmough’s mega deal and how far his payout is backdated.
It’s believed Watmough’s payout will wipe between $400,000 and $450,000 from the cap, which will still leave the Eels with a shortfall. That will determine whether the Eels need to release a top-line star or a second-tier player."

The club will not only need to identify that player, but also secure them a suitable home by Friday’s deadline, the same day the club host South Sydney at a packed Pirtek Stadium.

[RaiderSteve78]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

Any chance you could post a bit of a snippet (not the whole thing) from there pretty please? Getting a paywall and it's unlikely that I'll find myself looking at tele articles from london often enough to justify paying
I am curious as to all this kind of news though of course.
#FreeJP

"PARRAMATTA will have to offload one more player to fit under the salary cap and be free to play for competition points against South Sydney on Friday night."

"Thanks" Bushy, I was more concerned with the finer details the article might have as to whether its likely to be a highly paid player or some scrub nuffie on a pie and coke and I didn't see that info in the URL...
Anyway, I've had some other help and managed to get the details, sounds possible it's JP, but that could be my wishful thinking.

If they offload a minimal wage player don't they also have to replace him with another minimum wage player not fixing the problem for them. Surely it would need to be someone above minimum wage to cover the replacement plus whatever cap space they need.

[Archer]

Oh and that they will likely come back to the NRL with a proposal on it all by Tomorrow or Wednesday (which is probably obvious if they want it sorted before Friday)

[Archer]

If they offload a minimal wage player don't they also have to replace him with another minimum wage player not fixing the problem for them. Surely it would need to be someone above minimum wage to cover the replacement plus whatever cap space they need.

Yeah they would, sorry I was exaggerating a bit, I more meant whether it would be a low-mid priced player or mid-high, based on whether they needed to free up 50k or 250k.
Without knowing JP's contract it sounds like he would be a pretty good fit based on the figures quoted above as I know he's not meant to be on monster coin, but you'd imagine he's at least 30-80k over minimum wage (which is roughly the ballpark they would need to offload isn't it?)

[Matt]

Stars are aligning people....

[Matt]

It has to be 1 of:
Peats
De Gois
Norman
Gordon
Paulo

Of the off contract players, these are the guys worth anything.

Paulo is already signed elsewhere for 2017. Surely the no brainer decision has to be made!?!

[Matt]

NRL tells Parramatta Eels they must shed Anthony Watmough and another player

The NRL has refused to budge on a demand that Parramatta slash $575,000 from their player roster to play for points against South Sydney on Friday, leaving the Eels having to shed one more player on at least $250,000 a year, as well as Anthony Watmough and the already departed Ryan Morgan.

On an eventful day on two fronts for the club, an injunction order was lifted in the NSW Supreme Court, leaving Eels chairman Steve Sharp, chief executive John Boulous, head of football Daniel Anderson, deputy chairman Tom Issa and director Peter Serrao suspended and limited to basic duties at the club. While the dropping of that order was negotiated by the barrister for the five men, Arthur Moses, SC, and NRL lawyers – with an agreement hurriedly scribbled on a piece of A4 paper – there were further talks on Monday at Moore Park as Ian Schubert, the Eels' representative in salary cap talks with League Central, met with cap auditor Jamie L'Oste-Brown.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-l ... oq56y.html

[scotchberry]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

Any chance you could post a bit of a snippet (not the whole thing) from there pretty please? Getting a paywall and it's unlikely that I'll find myself looking at tele articles from london often enough to justify paying
I am curious as to all this kind of news though of course.
#FreeJP

"PARRAMATTA will have to offload one more player to fit under the salary cap and be free to play for competition points against South Sydney on Friday night."

Yeah I'm Locked out now to

But the forward of this blog covers it pretty well

http://www.1eyedeel.com/forum/topics/ee ... 5#comments

[scotchberry]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 65c00bf5c6

If they do have to shed one more player to get under the cap for Friday. Would a club consider stalling a couple of days to make sure the Eels are one step closer to being out of contention. Whilst I don't think they are going to make the 8 whilst they can still make the 8 they are a danger team with nothing to loose.

possibly, depends on what club, player position and when they play this rd

You wouldn't think any player who leaves this week would turn out for their new club this weekend without a few training sessions under their belt with the new teammates.

But on the other hand I would say it would force teams to move quick depending how desperate they are.

If Paulo was offered tomorrow to us highly unlikely he meets the team at the hotel on Wednesday and plays Thursday so Raiders could stall it deliberately. But the risk you take is that because Eels desperate to get under that they offer a few players to a few clubs and as soon as one is taken then the others aren't available and we miss out

[Green_Hammock]

So Morgan and Watmough almost cover it and they just have to get rid of one more minimum wage player.. That sucks, they will basically have the same team.

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[Matt]

We were too far off on the figures.

Watmough 900K, with approx half to be backdated by the NRL (400-450K). So they are accepting his retirement, BUT, not at full value. GOOD!

Morgan to Storm, approx 140K, meaning about 70K of the cap.

They are 30-50K short, meaning 1 more player, BUT, need to bring 3 into the top 25 to account for the 3 sold. Therefore 150-180K required. Meaning a player worth approx 350K.

Article says Paulo is unlikely though.

This seems dumb to me - which makes perfect sense coming from Parra. Its the no brainer decision.

[Sid]

Personally i reakon each week theyre over the cap they forfeit. Whats the point? They are knowingly playing with a team breaking the rules. Why punish another side for not being able to beat a side intentionally breaking the rules? They shouldnt even be able to field a side. However of corse the nrl would lose money....

Intentionally breaking the rules? I'm sure they are not the only ones, just the only ones stupid enough to get caught. But it was done by an agenda driven newspaper not the NRL - funnily enough led by the News Ltd rag. If the issue is in relation to an illegally assembled side then why not look at the calibre of players. The Eels have 3 or 4 genuine rep players (Aus/NZ/Eng). The Broncos have about 8. How this situation gets a free pass is ridiculous.

Every time a player signs with a club the speculation comes out immediately in relation to what amount of money the contract is and what percentage of it is made up of TPA's. I'm not suggesting the figures generally quoted are accurate but they must be in the general ballpark. Now this goes completely against the NRL rules relating to TPA's, does it not? Yet it has been happening for years. Let's just say that the Eels breaches are in relation to 1.5 million dollars worth of TPA's (wild guess for arguments sake) yet the Broncos are racking up 4 million dollars worth of TPA's (another wild guess for arguments sake). There is really no difference how these TPA's were obtained - the club organises them for the players. How can the NRL then penalise the Eels for utilising less TPA's than the Broncos? We all know how TPA's are sought and administered is a **** joke but here is the NRL taking 1 club to task for a ridiculous rule that the majority of clubs in the competition are breaking. Everybody who follows the game knows this crap goes on and the NRL is too piss weak to do anything about it. It's pretty clear the NRL has no control over it so they need to grow a pair and take control of the situation. When Gee got busted the NRL should have given the Broncos an ultimatum 'prove your innocence or we start penalising you', not simply tucking their balls in and saying their was nothing they could do. The NRL is coming down hard on 1 particular team while the Elephant has been sitting in the room for the past 20 years consistently with 8 - 10 rep players in their side.

[RaiderSteve78]

It has to be 1 of:
Peats
De Gois
Norman
Gordon
Paulo

Of the off contract players, these are the guys worth anything.

Paulo is already signed elsewhere for 2017. Surely the no brainer decision has to be made!?!

If they are going to offload Paulo which would be logical why should we rush to sign him why go out of our way to get them under the cap for Friday. Surely we wouldn't play him without him training with the team at all. So sign him up on Saturday to play round 11.