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Its personal opinion in the lime green he played 16 games in 3 seasons.... and really did sweet **** all besides that try in the 89 GF
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pibble89 wrote:Its personal opinion in the lime green he played 16 games in 3 seasons.... and really did sweet **** all besides that try in the 89 GF
So the guy struggles to get in to one of the greatest Raiders packs in history, comes on as a sub in the 89 Grand Final and scores a classic try and goes on to represent Queensland.
And you rate his as one of the three "Worst Raiders Ever" to play the game.
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pibble89 wrote:Its personal opinion in the lime green he played 16 games in 3 seasons.... and really did sweet **** all besides that try in the 89 GF
Lay off the drugs mate
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I understand he played rep footy... but i have about 10 of the 16 games he played for the raiders and he was nothing special.... If you want to defend him tell me what was so good about his time in a green jersey.... After scoring the 89 try he thought he was a star and demanded a higher salary hence the move to Western suburbs..... He was a 2nd rate forward who would be forgotten these days if it wasn't for that try...
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IMO - Nathan Barnes, Trevor Schoedel and Greeg Wolfgramm are the standouts.
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pibble89 wrote:I understand he played rep footy... but i have about 10 of the 16 games he played for the raiders and he was nothing special.... If you want to defend him tell me what was so good about his time in a green jersey.... After scoring the 89 try he thought he was a star and demanded a higher salary hence the move to Western suburbs..... He was a 2nd rate forward who would be forgotten these days if it wasn't for that try...
A "2nd rate forward".
As GD said, lay off the drugs mate
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Nathan Barnes only played one game didn't he?
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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Zeb wrote:
pibble89 wrote:I understand he played rep footy... but i have about 10 of the 16 games he played for the raiders and he was nothing special.... If you want to defend him tell me what was so good about his time in a green jersey.... After scoring the 89 try he thought he was a star and demanded a higher salary hence the move to Western suburbs..... He was a 2nd rate forward who would be forgotten these days if it wasn't for that try...
As GD said, lay off the drugs mate
My opinion differs from your own so that makes me a drug user...... That's a tad harsh boys. I consider his try in the 89 decider to be a good one.... It all went to his head and that's why he made my list.... I think attitude is a big part of what makes a player great as has been expressed by others in this forum. I will run my answer by you both next time mate to make sure I say nothing you disagree with alright.....
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steve irwin...
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Had beers with frawleys best mate once, incredible story
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Rua, Dunemann and Bickerstaff my top 3
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bonehead wrote:Had beers with frawleys best mate once, incredible story
Do tell.....
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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pibble89 wrote:
Zeb wrote:
pibble89 wrote:I understand he played rep footy... but i have about 10 of the 16 games he played for the raiders and he was nothing special.... If you want to defend him tell me what was so good about his time in a green jersey.... After scoring the 89 try he thought he was a star and demanded a higher salary hence the move to Western suburbs..... He was a 2nd rate forward who would be forgotten these days if it wasn't for that try...
As GD said, lay off the drugs mate
My opinion differs from your own so that makes me a drug user...... That's a tad harsh boys. I consider his try in the 89 decider to be a good one.... It all went to his head and that's why he made my list.... I think attitude is a big part of what makes a player great as has been expressed by others in this forum. I will run my answer by you both next time mate to make sure I say nothing you disagree with alright.....
Most just think there have been worse than jackson
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote:
pibble89 wrote:
Zeb wrote:
pibble89 wrote:I understand he played rep footy... but i have about 10 of the 16 games he played for the raiders and he was nothing special.... If you want to defend him tell me what was so good about his time in a green jersey.... After scoring the 89 try he thought he was a star and demanded a higher salary hence the move to Western suburbs..... He was a 2nd rate forward who would be forgotten these days if it wasn't for that try...
As GD said, lay off the drugs mate
My opinion differs from your own so that makes me a drug user...... That's a tad harsh boys. I consider his try in the 89 decider to be a good one.... It all went to his head and that's why he made my list.... I think attitude is a big part of what makes a player great as has been expressed by others in this forum. I will run my answer by you both next time mate to make sure I say nothing you disagree with alright.....
Most just think there have been worse than jackson
I can totally understand mate and have no doubt that other posters will have different opinions for all sorts of reasons......
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Cannot believe any Raiders fan could put Steve Jackson on this list. That try was legendary.
And Troy Thompson? That dude bled green. A few more like him (at least in terms of attitude) in the current squad and we wouldn't be the joke we are now.
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Bickerstaff is certainly in the conversation. The Matt Orford of our forward pack.

Good player on his day, but his knees were totally shot by the time he got here. Terrible recruitment.
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Andrew Lomu?
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Lomu played some good footy for us I thought Kiwi.
Did Bickerstaff get on the park for us? That was why I named my 3, all bought in as current 1st graders not to play for us (Dunemann about 20mins off the bench maybe)
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bonehead wrote:Lomu played some good footy for us I thought Kiwi.
Did Bickerstaff get on the park for us? That was why I named my 3, all bought in as current 1st graders not to play for us (Dunemann about 20mins off the bench maybe)
Yea I can't really remember to be honest, all I remember is he was fairly high profile after playing for NZ and winning a premiership a couple of years before joining us, there seemed to be a lot of hype around him probably due to his surname and his appearance rather than performance, he then only played 15 games over two seasons according to Wikipedia
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kiwi raider wrote:
bonehead wrote:Lomu played some good footy for us I thought Kiwi.
Did Bickerstaff get on the park for us? That was why I named my 3, all bought in as current 1st graders not to play for us (Dunemann about 20mins off the bench maybe)
Yea I can't really remember to be honest, all I remember is he was fairly high profile after playing for NZ and winning a premiership a couple of years before joining us, there seemed to be a lot of hype around him probably due to his surname and his appearance rather than performance, he then only played 15 games over two seasons according to Wikipedia
Bickerstaff played two games and one was off the bench

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-GD- wrote:
kiwi raider wrote:
bonehead wrote:Lomu played some good footy for us I thought Kiwi.
Did Bickerstaff get on the park for us? That was why I named my 3, all bought in as current 1st graders not to play for us (Dunemann about 20mins off the bench maybe)
Yea I can't really remember to be honest, all I remember is he was fairly high profile after playing for NZ and winning a premiership a couple of years before joining us, there seemed to be a lot of hype around him probably due to his surname and his appearance rather than performance, he then only played 15 games over two seasons according to Wikipedia
Bickerstaff played two games and one was off the bench

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Yea sorry GD I was talking about Lomu,
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Lomu was ordinary. Bickers was a quality player at the dragons but came to us busted up and injured.
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote:Nathan Barnes only played one game didn't he?
Thats correct, I went to High School with Nathan, he was good for 4 or 5 tries against us in primary school.
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I think The Howeller is the worst three-quarter ever to play for us who was given a long term stint in the top grade.

My favourite Howeller moment relates to Matt Elliott. Elliott was being interviewed after we had a few selected in Country Origin and said that we were unlucky not to get another one in. Then he mentioned Howeller. ****!

Elliott was responsible for a lot of guys who had no business playing first grade with us being given extended opportunities.

The P-Train wasn't far behind The Howeller. At least the Howeller could set up an outside support when playing in the centres. The P-Train couldn't even do that. Neither could pull through a tackle to make a bust which is an essential criterion for any decent centre. Both were turnstiles in defence. David Furner's high water mark as a coach was derailing the P-Train - something neither of his two predecessors (including the grossly overrated PE teacher) had either the judgement or good sense to do.

A name that doesn't belong is Albert Fulivai. He was next cab off the rank for a spot in a premiership winning three-quarter line that featured a prime Kenny Nagas, Big Mal, Big Ruben and Big Noa. Fulivai always performed competently when called upon to fill in for any one of the aforementioned.
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Craig Frawley for me,took the money,offered nothing.
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That's not entirely true. He offered a valuable source of taxation to the Commonwealth.
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Sleek the Elite wrote:I think The Howeller is the worst three-quarter ever to play for us who was given a long term stint in the top grade.

My favourite Howeller moment relates to Matt Elliott. Elliott was being interviewed after we had a few selected in Country Origin and said that we were unlucky not to get another one in. Then he mentioned Howeller. ****!

Elliott was responsible for a lot of guys who had no business playing first grade with us being given extended opportunities.

The P-Train wasn't far behind The Howeller. At least the Howeller could set up an outside support when playing in the centres. The P-Train couldn't even do that. Neither could pull through a tackle to make a bust which is an essential criterion for any decent centre. Both were turnstiles in defence. David Furner's high water mark as a coach was derailing the P-Train - something neither of his two predecessors (including the grossly overrated PE teacher) had either the judgement or good sense to do.

A name that doesn't belong is Albert Fulivai. He was next cab off the rank for a spot in a premiership winning three-quarter line that featured a prime Kenny Nagas, Big Mal, Big Ruben and Big Noa. Fulivai always performed competently when called upon to fill in for any one of the aforementioned.
Yeah, I honestly can't see how Albert Fulivai's name is getting thrown around these parts either. :hmmm
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Who was the P-Train?

*edit* oh, the Turtle. I don't think he was that bad as a winger, he use to regularly make 100mtrs + a game.
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tragic wrote:I have a short memory, but Matt Gafa was one of the biggest disappointments for me. Hearing of him killing premier league, and then stepping up to nuffie was a shock.

For mine it's Orford then daylight second. Could fill a spreadsheet with a long list of other names that were bog average ploders.
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HAS to be MARK HERBERT
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mattystorm1987 wrote:HAS to be MARK HERBERT
Marc?
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reptar wrote:
mattystorm1987 wrote:HAS to be MARK HERBERT
Marc?
Yep that's him
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