2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
1
6%
Raiders 1-12
8
50%
Draw
0
No votes
Storm 1-12
3
19%
Storm 13+
4
25%
 
Total votes: 16

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Post by simo » August 14, 2019, 11:37 am

BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
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Post by The Rickman » August 14, 2019, 11:50 am

God, Brad Clyde taking the first hit-up after every kick was just magical, wasn't it?
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Post by greeneyed » August 14, 2019, 12:00 pm

Leilua returns for Green Machine's title tilt

Canberra has received a huge boost ahead of their blockbuster clash with the Melbourne Storm with centre Joey Leilua named to run on at Melbourne Rectangular Stadium on Saturday.

"Fingers crossed all goes well, he's got the all-clear to play so it'll be good to have him back because we all know what he can do, but his health is the number one priority," Rapana said.

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Post by BadnMean » August 14, 2019, 12:32 pm

The Rickman wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:50 am
God, Brad Clyde taking the first hit-up after every kick was just magical, wasn't it?
Clyde was back for the first hit up and Chicka always escaping the first tackler... back in those days you could rely on certain things!

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Post by Coastalraider » August 14, 2019, 12:55 pm

simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.

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Post by Billy Walker » August 14, 2019, 1:10 pm

Coastalraider wrote:
August 14, 2019, 12:55 pm
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.
I agree with all of this, I wonder how much of it is a tactical issue and how much is a fitness issue?

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Post by zim » August 14, 2019, 1:15 pm

Matt wrote:
August 13, 2019, 8:07 pm
I like that Simmo has been rewarded with a spot in the 17, but Im not convinced the saftey 1st bench isnt the way to go. Havili, Simmo, Lui/ Horsburgh, Sutton.
Interesting. At the moment I think any bench with Havili on it is also just a safety option.

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Post by The Rickman » August 14, 2019, 1:25 pm

Coastalraider wrote:
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.
You were high in the stands, Coastal??

You old hippy! Surprised you didn’t get caught!!
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Post by Coastalraider » August 14, 2019, 2:05 pm

The Rickman wrote:
August 14, 2019, 1:25 pm
Coastalraider wrote:
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.
You were high in the stands, Coastal??

You old hippy! Surprised you didn’t get caught!!
Its harder than it used to be with all these bags searches at the gates.....

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Post by The Rickman » August 14, 2019, 2:06 pm

Do they even search for drugs?? I thought they were just checking to make sure nobody was smuggling in sandwiches!
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Post by 89_90_94_?? » August 14, 2019, 2:18 pm

I will be taking the wife to AAMI Park for this blockbuster. It will be the first time she has attended a Raiders game, hopefully the boys put on a show.

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Post by Coastalraider » August 14, 2019, 2:27 pm

The Rickman wrote:
August 14, 2019, 2:06 pm
Do they even search for drugs?? I thought they were just checking to make sure nobody was smuggling in sandwiches!
Who knows!

I got a metal detector scan on Sunday - thats a first for me I think.

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Post by Johno » August 14, 2019, 3:09 pm

The Rickman wrote:
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Do they even search for drugs?? I thought they were just checking to make sure nobody was smuggling in sandwiches!
Made me chuckle.....

anything in the bag buddy?

Ok, fair cop, ive got a bit of weed.

Im talking sandwiches you smartass !!

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Post by BadnMean » August 14, 2019, 3:28 pm

Are sandwiches really banned?

I thought it was only grog.

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Post by Raiders_Pat » August 14, 2019, 3:35 pm

BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 3:28 pm
Are sandwiches really banned?

I thought it was only grog.
Just grog

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Post by BJ » August 14, 2019, 3:36 pm

BadnMean wrote:Are sandwiches really banned?

I thought it was only grog.
Seems to be inconsistent depending on the Security Guard. They made a lady in front of me throw out her sandwiches earlier this season, but they’ve let me take in water bottles and packaged food without issue other times. They often don’t even check.

I felt a bit sorry for the lady and her kids. They looked pretty basic sangers to feed the kids and save a few dollars.

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Post by BadnMean » August 14, 2019, 4:09 pm

BJ wrote:
August 14, 2019, 3:36 pm
BadnMean wrote:Are sandwiches really banned?

I thought it was only grog.
Seems to be inconsistent depending on the Security Guard. They made a lady in front of me throw out her sandwiches earlier this season, but they’ve let me take in water bottles and packaged food without issue other times. They often don’t even check.

I felt a bit sorry for the lady and her kids. They looked pretty basic sangers to feed the kids and save a few dollars.
Makes me feel better about blatantly compromising the "no outside grog" rule every time I attended by stuffing cans of beer into my pockets and a trusty hip flask to liven up the coke.

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Post by pickles » August 14, 2019, 4:32 pm

Early in the game last week our whole back 5 struggled to make inroads in yardage sets and it really is very 1 out from either dummy half or one pass wide. It is a very conservative approach but unless you can win a penalty or generate a quick play of the ball it means you will be kicking from deep in your own half.

We certainly need to use the early shift at times to both open up the field, keep the defence guessing and generate some momentum for our sets. Croker is much more likely to make metres doing this than smashing it up in the middle. I agree that this is courageous but ineffective.

The mentality of just completing sets by playing the highest percentage of football will be enough against mediocre teams but against the best defensive teams you need to make them work harder and that means taking a few more chances and defending the errors this produces when we need to.

I am hoping that Stuart is like a jockey holding back a horse for a few races to build the odds up for the race that matters and that we have a more attacking strategy ready for the finals.

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Post by greeneyed » August 14, 2019, 4:33 pm

You can take your own home prepared food, but you can't take commercially produced food. So home made sandwiches are permitted. The security guards simply don't know the rules in my experience. You can't take in alchohol, you can take in unopened plastic bottles of water, non-alcholic drinks.
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Post by greeneyed » August 14, 2019, 4:41 pm

Chief thief Josh Hodgson says Canberra Raiders' stripping not pre-planned

Josh Hodgson said the Raiders' success at stripping the ball from opponents is, for the most part, a spur of the moment idea. Canberra's team tally of 23 is more than double any other side. Melbourne is next best on 11.

"We don't go into a tackle and think we're going to strip, there's certain points in the game on the weekend when we were down by four with a minute left, so we were trying to get the ball back then," Hodgson said.

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Post by BJ » August 14, 2019, 5:10 pm

greeneyed wrote:You can take your own home prepared food, but you can't take commercially produced food. So home made sandwiches are permitted. The security guards simply don't know the rules in my experience. You can't take in alchohol, you can take in unopened plastic bottles of water, non-alcholic drinks.
Yeah that’s what I thought. But security guards aren’t consistently across the rules.

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Post by Ruben Daley » August 14, 2019, 5:35 pm

pickles wrote:
August 14, 2019, 4:32 pm
Early in the game last week our whole back 5 struggled to make inroads in yardage sets and it really is very 1 out from either dummy half or one pass wide. It is a very conservative approach but unless you can win a penalty or generate a quick play of the ball it means you will be kicking from deep in your own half.

We certainly need to use the early shift at times to both open up the field, keep the defence guessing and generate some momentum for our sets. Croker is much more likely to make metres doing this than smashing it up in the middle. I agree that this is courageous but ineffective.

The mentality of just completing sets by playing the highest percentage of football will be enough against mediocre teams but against the best defensive teams you need to make them work harder and that means taking a few more chances and defending the errors this produces when we need to.

I am hoping that Stuart is like a jockey holding back a horse for a few races to build the odds up for the race that matters and that we have a more attacking strategy ready for the finals.
I could have sworn we used the shift-it-wide-early approach against the Panthers the other week - to great effect. Not doing it certainly makes it hard for our back five.

I really hope your jockey comparison for Ricky is right. It'd be great to bust out a secret attack for the finals that takes four weeks before anyone works it out.

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Post by -TW- » August 14, 2019, 5:38 pm

BJ wrote:
greeneyed wrote:You can take your own home prepared food, but you can't take commercially produced food. So home made sandwiches are permitted. The security guards simply don't know the rules in my experience. You can't take in alchohol, you can take in unopened plastic bottles of water, non-alcholic drinks.
Yeah that’s what I thought. But security guards aren’t consistently across the rules.
As long as it's not in the bag they aren't going to question it

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Post by simo » August 14, 2019, 6:25 pm

-TW- wrote:
August 14, 2019, 5:38 pm
BJ wrote:
greeneyed wrote:You can take your own home prepared food, but you can't take commercially produced food. So home made sandwiches are permitted. The security guards simply don't know the rules in my experience. You can't take in alchohol, you can take in unopened plastic bottles of water, non-alcholic drinks.
Yeah that’s what I thought. But security guards aren’t consistently across the rules.
As long as it's not in the bag they aren't going to question it

I've known people to buy Macca's and put it in a lunchbox

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Thankfully it looks like papali has stopped doing that this year
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Post by greeneyed » August 14, 2019, 6:33 pm

Canberra Raiders star John Bateman to the rescue

John Bateman is an option to cover hooker Josh Hodgson for the top-four blockbuster against the Melbourne Storm in Melbourne on Saturday.

"Hopefully Hodgo's fine and gets through it all. You've got 'Batty' there who can play anywhere," Croker said. "You don't want to move your halfback around, but Seze can move around."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

VIDEO: Bateman: He's a special player, it's great to have him back: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2019/08 ... -him-back/

Bailey Simonsson to add spark off Canberra Raiders bench

Bailey Simonsson could be the Canberra Raiders' answer to Melbourne Storm speedster Ryan Papenhuyzen.

"Having 'Liva' there was quite handy as well with a back-up nine, but you saw on the weekend we didn't really get to use him until the end of the game," Jarrod Croker said. "Bailey obviously covers an outside back injury.

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Post by greeneyed » August 14, 2019, 6:56 pm

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VIDEO: Canberra Raiders co-captain Jarrod Croker says he'll be fit for the clash with the Melbourne Storm, despite head knock last Sunday. Hear from Croker, Josh Hodgson and John Bateman! WIN News Canberra reports: http://ow.ly/ht4L50vx3u7

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Matt » August 14, 2019, 7:28 pm

They should have Liva and Simmo on the bench

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by BadnMean » August 14, 2019, 8:25 pm

Matt wrote:
August 14, 2019, 7:28 pm
They should have Liva and Simmo on the bench
Who do you you leave off the bench? Sutton and Young? I'm actually fine with this as it is Young's job to push Hors out as the best rookie, if he can. Guler and Murchie haven't done so already. Young still maybe. Sutton is pants off the bench imo. I'm starting to think he's not in our best 17 with Tapine and Bateman fit.

If you only have Liva OR Simmo, which do you have?

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews

Post by Dr Zaius » August 14, 2019, 8:42 pm

The Rickman wrote:
PigRickman wrote:
August 12, 2019, 8:39 am
I think we'll win this game.
So do I. I reckon we've had our loss now, and we don't drop another game this season.
You said that last week
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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Azza » August 14, 2019, 8:56 pm

Muppets the both of them. We'll get pasted.

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Neeeegz » August 14, 2019, 9:23 pm

The Rickman wrote:
Coastalraider wrote:
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:03 am
I really hope ricky has a word to the team anout how we work the ball out of our corners. Croker trying to take a hitup out of danger is a real waste of a tackle although he should be commended for his toughness. We need to be going 2 - 3 passes wide straight away and at least open up both sides of the field before rucking it out.
Id prefer croker to drop back and recieve kicks so cotric is available to hit it up if needed
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.
You were high in the stands, Coastal??

You old hippy! Surprised you didn’t get caught!!
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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Neeeegz » August 14, 2019, 9:24 pm

Coastalraider wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
August 14, 2019, 1:25 pm
Coastalraider wrote:
simo wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:37 am
BadnMean wrote:
August 14, 2019, 11:30 am
I'm going to ignore the "red rag to the greenhouse" hidden in your post and press on regardless.

I'v been banging on about how predictable our back 5 rucking out hit ups are. No support runs, short pass or dummy half, one out. I knew who's run is next I'm damn sure the opposition do too.

I'd love to see us do as suggested, go two passes wide occasionally. Often enough to keep a team honest, but not every set. Fact is that the personel in our back 5 have also not been ideally suited for the task this year, unlike past years.

As far as hit ups goes:
Jack>>Charnze (bigger, better footwork, faster, slides in between better. Charnze all heart but too upright into the line)
Cotric>>Simo (origin level vs decent winger)
BJ>>everyone (he was a weapon)
Past Rapana>>>2019 Rapana (looks half busted to me)

It'd be really nice to have a Brad Clyde wouldn't it... But forwards don't seem bothered anymore.
Its a red rag to those too simple to have a discussion maybe, but its an easy switch to make which would allow the starts to our sets to be stronger. Wighton always gets back in time to shovel the pass out and charnze should be in the vicinity. Id be happiest if we could go two passes wide to bj or rapa if possible but id rather have cotric as an earlier safe option
Agree Simo, Rapana especially overplays the dummy half run out of trouble. It has been largely ineffective since the refs stopped penalising markers who were not square, and we havent adapted to it.

The other part of this issue that was really driven home to me on the weekend as I was high in the stands watching, is that very often with these ruck out runs, we have our entire side compacted to 1/2 the field width, leading to a massively compressed defence. If we had our boys spread in a proper formation, at the very least it would make the defensive side mark up, giving the dummy runs less of a wall to run into. We can 100% control that aspect and we dont.
You were high in the stands, Coastal??

You old hippy! Surprised you didn’t get caught!!
Its harder than it used to be with all these bags searches at the gates.....
Can't they just test it for me ?

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Neeeegz » August 14, 2019, 9:36 pm

pickles wrote:Early in the game last week our whole back 5 struggled to make inroads in yardage sets and it really is very 1 out from either dummy half or one pass wide. It is a very conservative approach but unless you can win a penalty or generate a quick play of the ball it means you will be kicking from deep in your own half.

We certainly need to use the early shift at times to both open up the field, keep the defence guessing and generate some momentum for our sets. Croker is much more likely to make metres doing this than smashing it up in the middle. I agree that this is courageous but ineffective.

The mentality of just completing sets by playing the highest percentage of football will be enough against mediocre teams but against the best defensive teams you need to make them work harder and that means taking a few more chances and defending the errors this produces when we need to.

I am hoping that Stuart is like a jockey holding back a horse for a few races to build the odds up for the race that matters and that we have a more attacking strategy ready for the finals.
Yes, play some footy, my gripe this season is when our backs are set, sometimes Hodgo bashes a forward up the middle. The play is there right now, not after the next tackle, our attack has been solid this year but the one out stuff won't get us far in the finals, in my opinion anyway

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Wiki Special » August 14, 2019, 10:08 pm

Will all the backlash against the Storm this week have any positive or negative effects on our chances Saturday?

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Re: 2019 Rd 22 V Storm: Teams and Previews

Post by yeh raiders » August 14, 2019, 10:13 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
August 14, 2019, 8:42 pm
The Rickman wrote:
PigRickman wrote:
August 12, 2019, 8:39 am
I think we'll win this game.
So do I. I reckon we've had our loss now, and we don't drop another game this season.
You said that last week
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