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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by edwahu » April 14, 2019, 9:19 pm

Williams had 35 possessions, down a bit but plenty of football. He did well with it imo, he stuck to the plan without the clunkiness of Hodgo. Plus his defense got a pass mark which is what matters for him.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by RedRaider » April 14, 2019, 10:48 pm

There was a one on one tackle Sam made on Gutherson around the 16 minute mark of the first half which was a try for all money if he missed it. I know we all look at different things in matches but that tackle and the combined JC/CNK try saver were real highlights for me in this match. Anyway, I have thought all year his form deserves FG selection and he should be the 7 vs the Broncos.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by zim » April 14, 2019, 10:53 pm

Yeah that was a great tackle. Definite improvement on his past efforts.

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Post by yurithe1 » April 14, 2019, 11:18 pm

Wighton has an injury he's been carrying. I'd replace him with Sezer for one week to allow him to recover. Then, it's back to the old firm unless Sezer can set the field on fire with Williams. Personally, I doubt that scenario will happen.

IMO, Williams has looked like a team player during the trial games AND the regular season. Sezer looked like a bloke who was more interested in solidifying his personal game during the pre-season. Apart from that, Wighton has stated that he feels more comfortable alongside Williams. We all know how Ricky feels about Wighton. So.I reckon it's only a matter of time before he ends up at the Bulldogs and Dean Pay. Probably best to release him now with a clause that reads he can't play again us during regular season games (it's been done before) and wear any financials that might apply.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by zim » April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm

Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Rick » April 14, 2019, 11:29 pm

We don’t give away Sezer without getting G Williams mid season. We also do no rest Wighton against Broncos.


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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Brew » April 15, 2019, 7:27 am

I fear Williams will be dumped as soon as we lose a game. We can’t be expected to win every week.


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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by edwahu » April 15, 2019, 7:36 am

I think he will only get dumped if his defense drops back to its usual standards.

I'd be surprised if Sezer is here past June 30 as well.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by PigRickman » April 15, 2019, 8:24 am

zim wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm
Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.
agreed. We dont really have a FG quality halfback, let alone 2-3 enough to let one of those dudes go early.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Hazza » April 15, 2019, 8:37 am

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Williams was only OK today. But while we continue to win, I will continue to support him.

Wighton I am having more concerns with at the moment. He just looks so panicked and rushing everything.
He does but I think people are underestimating his work when we don't have the ball. That's half the game. Can't be a coincidence we have the best D in the comp with J.Wighton 6 can it?

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by BadnMean » April 15, 2019, 9:56 am

yurithe1 wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:18 pm
Wighton has an injury he's been carrying. I'd replace him with Sezer for one week to allow him to recover. Then, it's back to the old firm unless Sezer can set the field on fire with Williams. Personally, I doubt that scenario will happen.

IMO, Williams has looked like a team player during the trial games AND the regular season. Sezer looked like a bloke who was more interested in solidifying his personal game during the pre-season. Apart from that, Wighton has stated that he feels more comfortable alongside Williams. We all know how Ricky feels about Wighton. So.I reckon it's only a matter of time before he ends up at the Bulldogs and Dean Pay. Probably best to release him now with a clause that reads he can't play again us during regular season games (it's been done before) and wear any financials that might apply.
What is Wighton's injury? Something you noticed on TV/at he ground or something you have some news of?

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Post by RTW » April 15, 2019, 2:18 pm

BadnMean wrote:
yurithe1 wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:18 pm
Wighton has an injury he's been carrying. I'd replace him with Sezer for one week to allow him to recover. Then, it's back to the old firm unless Sezer can set the field on fire with Williams. Personally, I doubt that scenario will happen.

IMO, Williams has looked like a team player during the trial games AND the regular season. Sezer looked like a bloke who was more interested in solidifying his personal game during the pre-season. Apart from that, Wighton has stated that he feels more comfortable alongside Williams. We all know how Ricky feels about Wighton. So.I reckon it's only a matter of time before he ends up at the Bulldogs and Dean Pay. Probably best to release him now with a clause that reads he can't play again us during regular season games (it's been done before) and wear any financials that might apply.
What is Wighton's injury? Something you noticed on TV/at he ground or something you have some news of?
Stuart said Sezer warmed up as cover for Wighton who was carrying an injury.


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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Kryptonite » April 15, 2019, 5:43 pm

PigRickman wrote:
April 15, 2019, 8:24 am
zim wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm
Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.
agreed. We dont really have a FG quality halfback, let alone 2-3 enough to let one of those dudes go early.
Hingano never really had the opportunity to play half last year, i would release Sezer effective immediately and have Hingano train with the first grade squad as Williams back up

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Raiders_Pat » April 15, 2019, 5:50 pm

Kryptonite wrote:
April 15, 2019, 5:43 pm
PigRickman wrote:
April 15, 2019, 8:24 am
zim wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm
Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.
agreed. We dont really have a FG quality halfback, let alone 2-3 enough to let one of those dudes go early.
Hingano never really had the opportunity to play half last year, i would release Sezer effective immediately and have Hingano train with the first grade squad as Williams back up
I'm with you, Kryptonite. Not overly fussed if we lose Sezer early. You'd think that the club would only allow it to happen if it assists us in some way cap/money-wise and they're confident they can cover for it.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Green eyed Mick » April 15, 2019, 7:04 pm

Raiders_Pat wrote:
April 15, 2019, 5:50 pm
Kryptonite wrote:
April 15, 2019, 5:43 pm
PigRickman wrote:
April 15, 2019, 8:24 am
zim wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm
Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.
agreed. We dont really have a FG quality halfback, let alone 2-3 enough to let one of those dudes go early.
Hingano never really had the opportunity to play half last year, i would release Sezer effective immediately and have Hingano train with the first grade squad as Williams back up
I'm with you, Kryptonite. Not overly fussed if we lose Sezer early. You'd think that the club would only allow it to happen if it assists us in some way cap/money-wise and they're confident they can cover for it.
I'd be willing to let Sezer go in return for a few upgraded/extended contracts, provided we have the security of George Williams' signature for 2020.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by -TW- » April 15, 2019, 10:57 pm

If we could clone a player with Sezers passing and defence with Sam's running and kicking game we'd have the ideal half

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Seiffert82 » April 16, 2019, 7:44 am

Or we could just hope Sam continues to defend well, stop death riding the guy and stop picking apart every single mistake that he makes like he's somehow the only halfback in the NRL who gets targeted in defence.

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Williams or Sezer

Post by The Rickman » April 16, 2019, 7:54 am

Seiffert82 wrote:Or we could just hope Sam continues to defend well, stop death riding the guy and stop picking apart every single mistake that he makes like he's somehow the only halfback in the NRL who gets targeted in defence.
This. Sam is playing well right now and is absolutely doing his job. Three wins from three games.

Although I kindof get the feeling in Stuart’s mind he’s really just warming Sezer’s chair until Sezer gets back into form or we lose a game.


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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Green2ooF » April 16, 2019, 8:06 am

Seiffert82 wrote:
April 16, 2019, 7:44 am
Or we could just hope Sam continues to defend well, stop death riding the guy and stop picking apart every single mistake that he makes like he's somehow the only halfback in the NRL who gets targeted in defence.
Haha well said, I agree wholeheartedly
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Post by kona_dream » April 16, 2019, 9:25 am

A few good wins and people are claiming we don't need Sezer. If there is an injury to one of the halves everyone will be very thankful for the depth. This is exactly the situation we have been calling out for for years. Competition for places! We no longer have certain players that will continue to get game time no matter how poorly they play simply because there is no one else. I am sure this is what has driven Sammy to prepare and play better this year and the same will happen with Sezer.

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Post by The Rickman » April 16, 2019, 9:28 am

Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how people are coming to the conclusion we don't need Sezer OR Williams. Absolute madness.

We're just one injury to CNK or Wighton and they both play. If whoever is currently playing halfback goes down, the other plays.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by PigRickman » April 16, 2019, 9:48 am

It's ridiculous. Speaks to what i was saying a few days ago, for what ever reason people are so out on Sezer that they honestly think Hingano is as good or better.
If we get George Williams early, you'd be willing to release one of the Sam Williams or Aiden Sezer... which one would be down to which, if any, were wanted by another club, and if both were, you keep the cheaper option, which i'd say is probably Sam Williams.

No **** way the club should entertain releasing one early unless George is coming early. Williams doesnt defend well enough to just be handed the keys. He needs the pressure on him to perform, and Sezer also hasnt performed well enough to justify that.
Also as Rickman rightly points out, injuries exist! CNK has gone down a few times this year on situations that could have been more serious and apparently Wighton was playing hurt on Sunday night... one of those guys go down and we're rolling again with Sezer AND Sam Williams.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by gergreg » April 16, 2019, 10:08 am

Congratulations to Sammy, a better game this week. That bomb for Wighton's try was perfectly placed and the setup for the field goal also excellent. If he can continue to build on those moments, while defending well he is an asset to the side. It's nice to have 3 regular kicking options in the side.

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Post by Roger Kenworthy » April 16, 2019, 10:08 am

I think the reason you entertain releasing Sezer midseason is you can catch teams more desperate at that stage. Sezer would be on good coin so if you can find a side willing to take that you go for it. The more likely option for him would be ESL imo, can't see any clubs paying him primary half money.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Raiders_Pat » April 16, 2019, 10:52 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:
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I think the reason you entertain releasing Sezer midseason is you can catch teams more desperate at that stage. Sezer would be on good coin so if you can find a side willing to take that you go for it. The more likely option for him would be ESL imo, can't see any clubs paying him primary half money.
Exactly this, if it's gonna work out better for us financially/cap-wise then we shouldn't be trying to hold on to Sezer for the sake of competition for spots. Not saying Hingano is close to Sezer's level at all, but one guy is a back up half on minimal coin and another is an underperforming half on good coin. If a starting player on a starting player's salary can't hold his spot in the 13, then we need to find options to release him. The longer you hold on to one of these players, the harder it is to shift them on.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

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We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in. So if there’s nothing coming until George Williams, we keep our 3 first grade halves. Hingano’s name should not even be mentioned. He’ll do well to play another first grade game for us. In the meantime, Sezer and Williams can fight it out for the number 7.

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Peter wrote:
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We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in.
You can't confidently say that at all... Both Bateman and CNK will be due for upgrades shortly. Probably Horsburgh and a couple others too.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

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Raiders_Pat wrote:
April 16, 2019, 10:55 am
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April 16, 2019, 10:52 am
We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in.
You can't confidently say that at all... Both Bateman and CNK will be due for upgrades shortly. Probably Horsburgh and a couple others too.
You still don’t release a first grade half to upgrade the contracts of a second rower who just got here (why would he be due for an upgrade already?) and a rookie fullback who has played 5 games for us. Madness.

There is still 30 players needed in the squad. If you release Sezer, you sign another half. We are not winning a premiership with Wighton, Williams and Hingano as our halves.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

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Peter wrote:
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You still don’t release a first grade half to upgrade the contracts of a second rower who just got here (why would he be due for an upgrade already?) and a rookie fullback who has played 5 games for us. Madness.

There is still 30 players needed in the squad. If you release Sezer, you sign another half. We are not winning a premiership with Wighton, Williams and Hingano as our halves.
Lol adding Sezer in to that mix doesn't really increase our chances at a premiership. Obviously we need to sign another half if we let Sezer go... we've got George Williams apparently on the way and a back up half can be signed on minimum wage or close to. As far as upgrading Bateman goes, he was signed on a lower value contract for a shot at the NRL and is fast becoming one of the best in the game in his position (if he's not already... not long til everybody else recognises it).

We do need a serviceable first grade half. We don't need underperforming halves on first grade half money.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Northern Raider » April 16, 2019, 11:13 am

Raiders_Pat wrote:
April 15, 2019, 5:50 pm
Kryptonite wrote:
April 15, 2019, 5:43 pm
PigRickman wrote:
April 15, 2019, 8:24 am
zim wrote:
April 14, 2019, 11:24 pm
Whether you want Williams or Sezer as your main man I wouldn't be releasing the other unless I absolutely had to. Williams / Wighton, Sezer / Wighton is way better than Hingano / Wighton. That depth is great for plenty of reasons.
agreed. We dont really have a FG quality halfback, let alone 2-3 enough to let one of those dudes go early.
Hingano never really had the opportunity to play half last year, i would release Sezer effective immediately and have Hingano train with the first grade squad as Williams back up
I'm with you, Kryptonite. Not overly fussed if we lose Sezer early. You'd think that the club would only allow it to happen if it assists us in some way cap/money-wise and they're confident they can cover for it.
Have you guys seen something in Hingano's play at halves in NSW Cup to suggest he's a decent back up at NRL level? I certainly haven't.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Roger Kenworthy » April 16, 2019, 11:32 am

Peter wrote:
April 16, 2019, 10:52 am
We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in. So if there’s nothing coming until George Williams, we keep our 3 first grade halves. Hingano’s name should not even be mentioned. He’ll do well to play another first grade game for us. In the meantime, Sezer and Williams can fight it out for the number 7.
Sezer is on a two year deal though. The longer you leave it to release a player the more on the hook you are for paying part of his second year.

I'm operating on the assumption GWilliams is coming. If not then there is less urgency to move Sezer on.

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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by reptar » April 16, 2019, 11:36 am

Green2ooF wrote:
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April 16, 2019, 7:44 am
Or we could just hope Sam continues to defend well, stop death riding the guy and stop picking apart every single mistake that he makes like he's somehow the only halfback in the NRL who gets targeted in defence.
Haha well said, I agree wholeheartedly
Williams is clearly our number 1 choir halfback
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by PigRickman » April 16, 2019, 12:07 pm

Roger Kenworthy wrote:
April 16, 2019, 11:32 am
Peter wrote:
April 16, 2019, 10:52 am
We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in. So if there’s nothing coming until George Williams, we keep our 3 first grade halves. Hingano’s name should not even be mentioned. He’ll do well to play another first grade game for us. In the meantime, Sezer and Williams can fight it out for the number 7.
Sezer is on a two year deal though. The longer you leave it to release a player the more on the hook you are for paying part of his second year.

I'm operating on the assumption GWilliams is coming. If not then there is less urgency to move Sezer on.
If we released him now, i would almost guarantee we'd be paying more of his 2nd year, than we would if we released him at the end of season
Right now, we'd NEED to pay more because someone has to absorb him onto the books now, how many clubs are rolling around with 600k to get Sezer on the books now? Virtually none, so now your operating with their confides.

Come seasons end, when their own free agents come off the books, the space is there and there is greater level of flexability. The NRL usually allows clubs to operate above the cap as long as they are under by a certain date, so a club could take the contract on (less freight we pay) and move around to get under.

Also his contract isnt prohibitive for a half. So if a team wants him, that price tag wont scare them away one bit (of course we'll still need to pay some freight, you always do) but from a cap management perspective, it absolutely gives us more and better options to hang on to him until the season is out unless we simply need to free up the space for George Williams to be absorbed in OUR cap this year.
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Re: Williams or Sezer

Post by Roger Kenworthy » April 16, 2019, 12:11 pm

PigRickman wrote:
April 16, 2019, 12:07 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
April 16, 2019, 11:32 am
Peter wrote:
April 16, 2019, 10:52 am
We don’t need the coin from Sezer for anything else other than to get a better halfback in. So if there’s nothing coming until George Williams, we keep our 3 first grade halves. Hingano’s name should not even be mentioned. He’ll do well to play another first grade game for us. In the meantime, Sezer and Williams can fight it out for the number 7.
Sezer is on a two year deal though. The longer you leave it to release a player the more on the hook you are for paying part of his second year.

I'm operating on the assumption GWilliams is coming. If not then there is less urgency to move Sezer on.
If we released him now, i would almost guarantee we'd be paying more of his 2nd year, than we would if we released him at the end of season
Right now, we'd NEED to pay more because someone has to absorb him onto the books now, how many clubs are rolling around with 600k to get Sezer on the books now? Virtually none, so now your operating with their confides.

Come seasons end, when their own free agents come off the books, the space is there and there is greater level of flexability. The NRL usually allows clubs to operate above the cap as long as they are under by a certain date, so a club could take the contract on (less freight we pay) and move around to get under.

Also his contract isnt prohibitive for a half. So if a team wants him, that price tag wont scare them away one bit (of course we'll still need to pay some freight, you always do) but from a cap management perspective, it absolutely gives us more and better options to hang on to him until the season is out unless we simply need to free up the space for George Williams to be absorbed in OUR cap this year.
We'd pay the majority of his deal this year in the hope of clearing his deal from the books for next year. If you think it's the other way around you have even less faith in Don than I :roflmao

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