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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by FROG » December 5, 2018, 5:48 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
December 5, 2018, 5:19 pm
If Austin wasn't an arrogant twat and the Eels weren't desperate and incompetent we'd have close to $1.5 Mil a season invested in Paulo and Austin and we'd be a firm favourite for the spoon in 2019.

Luckily we dodged a bullet and miraculously offloaded probably our three worst players of 2018.

We're still a decent middle and a half short of a competitive squad but through dumb luck we're probably a stronger squad than in 2018 IMO.
Agree GEM. not sure we're stronger than 2018 (would be marginal at best) however we must be in much better shape cap wise as a result of what has transpired.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by d-train » December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm

Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by gergreg » December 5, 2018, 6:15 pm

sprintman wrote:People are upset that Paulo and Boyd moved on?? Mystified
Who is upset?

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by magoo » December 5, 2018, 6:30 pm

d-train wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.
I don't think Cotric is going to develop into a quality fullback. I do believe he will turn out to be a sensational 2nd rower

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Dusty » December 5, 2018, 7:14 pm

Cotric mentioned today that he prefers wing over fullback

Source: Fox Sports News


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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker 4 Leilua 5. Rapana 6. Williams 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Lui_Bon » December 5, 2018, 8:18 pm

I love Nick but I don't think he's a better fullback than Jack. The difference is in the way Jack can get involved in the attack, including passing. I also think, weirdly, that he's also more athletic in defending kicks and also less predictable. Nick is more like a tank.

Jack has suffered in his absence, he was looking pretty excellent before being stood down.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Bennyinthewest » December 6, 2018, 12:40 am

I’ve always wanted Rapana at fullback for his back up

Think he’d be better than the lot


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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by -PJ- » December 6, 2018, 6:07 am

sprintman wrote:
December 5, 2018, 5:26 pm
People are upset that Paulo and Boyd moved on?? Mystified
Not me. No way.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Coastalraider » December 6, 2018, 6:49 am

-PJ- wrote:
December 6, 2018, 6:07 am
sprintman wrote:
December 5, 2018, 5:26 pm
People are upset that Paulo and Boyd moved on?? Mystified
Not me. No way.

I haven't worn pants since Nov 1.
Ah so you're the guy thats been walking around lake mac in a Raiders jersey and no pants...it all makes sense now.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Seiffert82 » December 6, 2018, 8:06 am

This team will be **** without both Wighton and Rapana in the back 3.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Matt » December 6, 2018, 8:15 am

d-train wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.
I know Smith re-signed at Dogs.
Pretty sure Katoa is tied up at Sharks.
Not sure about Sami.
Sandor would be a nostalgic signing, and a depth option at that.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Matt » December 6, 2018, 8:32 am

magoo wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:30 pm
d-train wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.
I don't think Cotric is going to develop into a quality fullback. I do believe he will turn out to be a sensational 2nd rower
Pretty sure this is the Wighton argument all over again...
He is a centre.
No a FB.
No a 5/8.
No a 2nd rower.
What about ball playing lock?

People know my stance on Cotric. Right now he is in the top half a dozen wingers in the game, and was very unlucky not to get a Blues jumper over Turbo or JAC. Holmes and Gagai were QLD's wingers this yr. Given Turbo is a fullback, Holmes is an exceptional winger, a pretty good fullback, but most importantly now an NFL player and Gagai a centre, that leaves the wing rankings up for grabs. So, to go with JAC, add in the likes of Rapana, Vunivalu and Ferguson, who I believe are up there with Cotric. Then the next lot of players are guys like Fus, Maumalo, Nofo, Mansour, BMoz, Feldt and DWZ.

I think he could be a world class centre nearly overnight, should he make the move. So, I can see that a move into the backrow might happen later in his career, as the explosive speed slows. BUT... the Luke Lewis's of the world are rare, so dont draw that comparison yet.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » December 6, 2018, 2:05 pm

Some players due to limits imposed by size, athleticism and brains are only suited to one or two positions on a rugby league field.

Cotric and Wighton don't fit into those categories. With the right game plan and plenty of time training in their new roles, both players could do well in their new roles. There would be teething problems but anytime you change positions in your spine you are going to have teething problems.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by BJ » December 6, 2018, 3:49 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:Some players due to limits imposed by size, athleticism and brains are only suited to one or two positions on a rugby league field.

Cotric and Wighton don't fit into those categories. With the right game plan and plenty of time training in their new roles, both players could do well in their new roles. There would be teething problems but anytime you change positions in your spine you are going to have teething problems.
What? Junior Paulo is perfectly sized to play both Prop and Halfback. Apparently!

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Pigman » December 6, 2018, 7:29 pm

Haha... any time anyone ever suggests Stuart might not be as bad as he seems as a coach, never forget he had a 120kg front rower playing a primary first receiver role for what felt like 4 seasons but was probably at least 2 games.

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Post by BadnMean » December 6, 2018, 7:41 pm

Most NRL clubs have a prop they use as a link man on some plays.

When did "Junior Paulo" plays like a halfback become a meme. I don't remember these games.

I remember games when he may have thrown between 3-6 passes.

But it's the off season.

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Post by gergreg » December 6, 2018, 8:27 pm

BadnMean wrote:Most NRL clubs have a prop they use as a link man on some plays.

When did "Junior Paulo" plays like a halfback become a meme. I don't remember these games.

I remember games when he may have thrown between 3-6 passes.

But it's the off season.
I don't know exactly how long it was for but there was a long period where coach should have told him to tuck the ball under his arm and run **** hard. Maybe he did tell him, but as coach if you're telling a player to do something and he isn't doing it, you hook him or drop him. We have a coach who seems more interested in being mates with the players.

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Post by InFernos_Raiders » December 7, 2018, 1:18 am

magoo wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:30 pm
d-train wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.
I don't think Cotric is going to develop into a quality fullback. I do believe he will turn out to be a sensational 2nd rower
Stuart already tried Wigjton in the halves and it stunk and yes Stuart tried for a long time changing his partners switching him around but he sucked. Can’t kick can’t read besides his is a centre not a half or fb I don’t know why people rate this guy.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by InFernos_Raiders » December 7, 2018, 1:20 am

magoo wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:30 pm
d-train wrote:
December 5, 2018, 6:11 pm
Matt wrote:
December 5, 2018, 8:02 am
Dusty wrote:
December 4, 2018, 7:12 pm
Green eyed Mick wrote:Wighton remains my first choice to partner Sezer but we're going to need to recruit another outside back for that to be an option.

As for Nikorima. I would prefer him over Norman or Moses but he's not a number one half IMO.
Options: A Johnston, G Jennings , ????

1. Johnston
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield / Rapana
6. Wighton

Or

1. Cotric
2. Jennings
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Oldfield/ Rapana
6. Wighton

??


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I dont like Johnston, esp not as a FB.
Id be happy with either on a wing though, moving Jack to 6 and Cotric to 1.
id be playing cotric in the #1. he'd be our long term option. id be looking at a cheap young winger to fill in the wingers spot. players like Phillip Sami, Sione Katoa (sharks), Reimis Smith. I'd even take Sandor Earl back. Played 9 games in intrust super cup last season and averaged 124 metres per game. He'd be hungry to get another shot in first grade before he hangs up the boots.
I don't think Cotric is going to develop into a quality fullback. I do believe he will turn out to be a sensational 2nd rower
AND Jennings or Alex J will never come to Raiders .

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by dubby » December 7, 2018, 6:38 am

Green eyed Mick wrote:If Austin wasn't an arrogant twat and the Eels weren't desperate and incompetent we'd have close to $1.5 Mil a season invested in Paulo and Austin and we'd be a firm favourite for the spoon in 2019.

Luckily we dodged a bullet and miraculously offloaded probably our three worst players of 2018.

We're still a decent middle and a half short of a competitive squad but through dumb luck we're probably a stronger squad than in 2018 IMO.
Remains to be seen if we're better, but we will be different. Smaller, more mobile forwards should result in subtle changes to the way we play.

Austin, boy he could be dynamic! Unfortunately he was also inconsistent and a bit odd as a character. His X factor will be missed, but his defensive flaws won't be


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Post by dubby » December 7, 2018, 6:41 am

BadnMean wrote:Most NRL clubs have a prop they use as a link man on some plays.

When did "Junior Paulo" plays like a halfback become a meme. I don't remember these games.

I remember games when he may have thrown between 3-6 passes.

But it's the off season.
Mate, it's people spouting opinion as fact.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Green eyed Mick » December 7, 2018, 8:12 am

BadnMean wrote:
December 6, 2018, 7:41 pm
Most NRL clubs have a prop they use as a link man on some plays.

When did "Junior Paulo" plays like a halfback become a meme. I don't remember these games.

I remember games when he may have thrown between 3-6 passes.

But it's the off season.
Probably because he would take multiple hit-ups in pretty much every game where he would take the ball standing flat footed and then attempt to step or run around defenders.

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Post by T_R » December 7, 2018, 10:50 am

Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

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Post by -PJ- » December 7, 2018, 10:52 am

T_R wrote:
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Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
Cuz Segy don't play for us... :hmmm
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Post by T_R » December 7, 2018, 10:53 am

He's off contract and scratching for a start.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by -PJ- » December 7, 2018, 10:54 am

It's the Raiders mate..
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Post by T_R » December 7, 2018, 10:55 am

Well, yes, there are some weaknesses in my plan.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by dubby » December 7, 2018, 11:32 am

I don't think we have the cap room, not until 2020.

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Post by -PJ- » December 7, 2018, 11:35 am

And when cap room becomes available we must grab Mclnnes.

He's better than Hodgo apparently.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Wiki Special » December 7, 2018, 12:27 pm

T_R wrote:
December 7, 2018, 10:50 am
Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
I can't see us signing anyone for next season.

The more I look at our current roster the more I am warming to Whitehead at 6.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by gergreg » December 7, 2018, 12:33 pm

-PJ- wrote:And when cap room becomes available we must grab Mclnnes.

He's better than Hodgo apparently.
We'd probably botch it and get 12 y/o blend instead of the 25 y/o single!

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Post by T_R » December 7, 2018, 12:46 pm

Wiki Special wrote:
December 7, 2018, 12:27 pm
T_R wrote:
December 7, 2018, 10:50 am
Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
I can't see us signing anyone for next season.

The more I look at our current roster the more I am warming to Whitehead at 6.
With the greatest possible respect to Whitehead, if we're seriously looking at going into the year with him as starting 5/8, it may be better to just quietly disband now.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Sid » December 7, 2018, 12:47 pm

Segeyaro can't tackle very well can he? Unless I'm taking too much out of the game where Raiders targeted him and picked his defence apart.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by LP Raider » December 7, 2018, 3:29 pm

T_R wrote:
December 7, 2018, 10:50 am
Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
You're not, there's plenty of options available to this club.

Going straight after a half is not necessarily the right option.

We could chase a quality hooker or fullback and switch Hodgson or Wighton and I think we're very competitive.

Do I think coach genius would think outside the box, NO.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2018

Post by Wiki Special » December 7, 2018, 4:55 pm

T_R wrote:
December 7, 2018, 12:46 pm
Wiki Special wrote:
December 7, 2018, 12:27 pm
T_R wrote:
December 7, 2018, 10:50 am
Hodgson to #7, Segeyaro to spell Havili at hooker.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
I can't see us signing anyone for next season.

The more I look at our current roster the more I am warming to Whitehead at 6.
With the greatest possible respect to Whitehead, if we're seriously looking at going into the year with him as starting 5/8, it may be better to just quietly disband now.
Fair enough. I would rather a better option but at present it appears to be a halves combination of either;

a) Sezer & Williams
b) Sezer & Wighton
or
c) Sezer & Whitehead

I don't want to move Hodgson from 9, perhaps he is an option for some too.

Option a) does nothing for me leaving b) or c). Wighton to 6 likely means Abbey to fullback to start the year. Whitehead to 6 means we allow J. Bateman to play his preferred edge back row position and keep Tapine there also.

But to be honest neither a), b) or c) is going to take us to the promised land.

*This is based on starting with who we currently have signed.

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