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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 15, 2019, 9:42 pm

On the plus side that's one of Finch's best - has looked almost flawless today

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by yeh raiders » June 15, 2019, 10:14 pm

Very bizarre action.

Loving watching Aaron Finch, playing really well controlled shots.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by gangrenous » June 15, 2019, 10:19 pm

yeh raiders wrote:Are we done with Khawaja yet?

We only have room in the side for 1 dumb player and that slot is taken up by Maxwell.
Warner says hello

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Post by yeh raiders » June 15, 2019, 10:31 pm

Haha come on, Warner’s not at that level.

Marvellous innings from Finch.

Enter Maxwell... with an actual license to play cross bat from ball 1

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 15, 2019, 10:59 pm

Geez we are terrible at finishing atm. We have too many accumulators and not enough power hitters, no 5th bowler and no top line spinner in the 11 (no Lyon is baffling). For all his critics, mmarsh may help alleviate some of those concerns

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by yeh raiders » June 15, 2019, 11:10 pm

Stoinis is the man I think.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 15, 2019, 11:12 pm

yeh raiders wrote:
June 15, 2019, 11:10 pm
Stoinis is the man I think.
Lol

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by yeh raiders » June 15, 2019, 11:16 pm

You’d go Marsh over Stoinis?

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 15, 2019, 11:19 pm

yeh raiders wrote:
June 15, 2019, 11:16 pm
You’d go Marsh over Stoinis?
mMarsh? I'm not convinced stoinis is a good 5th bowling option, reckon M marsh has him beat there. If you mean stoinis in place of Shaun marsh or khawaja, yes I can see the argument

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Post by yeh raiders » June 15, 2019, 11:34 pm

Yeah Stonis over MMarsh, in place of Khawaja.

I’m still of the opinion we should’ve taken Josh Hazelwood. I know he isn’t a genuine wicket taker, but with pressure built by Cummins and Starc, he could definitely do a better job than any other 3rd seamer we have available here.

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Post by Lucky » June 16, 2019, 12:40 am

lol poor south africans cant catch a break.... whats that, their 3rd washed out game? Englands national anthem should be "rain rain go away, come again another day"

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 17, 2019, 9:46 am

MM vs Stoinis:
As a bat, I have more faith in Stoinis, and he has produced at this level. Both can clear the pickets though.
As a bowler, I think Marsh is more accomplished. Stoinis is more a 'very capable parttimer' as opposed to a genuine allrounder IMO.
They are both good catchers, and good in the field, so thats a plus.

Despite his 90, Id take both these 2 over NCN.

I too would have liked to see a genuine 3rd seamer though, esp in England. Not sure what Lyon has to do to get a run either.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by julian87 » June 17, 2019, 10:31 am

Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 17, 2019, 12:26 pm

julian87 wrote:
June 17, 2019, 10:31 am
Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
I dont trust Mitch's nerves while batting. He is a flat track bully.
Stoinis isnt as talented, but Ive seen him win games with the bat, or at least dig us out of trouble and give us a shot - In NZ in his debut series for instance.
Id back the big game player over the more talented. Esp when 1 has proven a winner, while the other a choker.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by BJ » June 17, 2019, 12:28 pm

julian87 wrote:Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
Mitchell Marsh is not better than any cricketer on the measure “delivering on his talent when required on the field “.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 17, 2019, 2:29 pm

BJ wrote:
June 17, 2019, 12:28 pm
julian87 wrote:Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
Mitchell Marsh is not better than any cricketer on the measure “delivering on his talent when required on the field “.
agreed

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 17, 2019, 9:42 pm

I disagree. Look, I'm not huge Marsh fan either, but our bowling to me is the most critical issue and I have no faith in Stoinis offering a legitimate 5th bowling option when up against the likes of England or India's batting line ups. Marsh is a pretty decent bowler. His batting is sub-par - can't argue with that, but on the whole with what the team needs right now, I'd pick him. If anything, this might sound crazy but I'm almost inclined to either Khawaja or SMarsh and have both Stoinis and MMarsh - I know it sounds like a stupid idea at first, but our batting line up right now doesn't look balanced between accumulators and power hitters, and our bowling options are thin if things don't work with Starc / Cummins.

Also, it is beyond ridiculous Lyon hasn't gotten more of a go.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by -TW- » June 17, 2019, 9:50 pm

Marsh and Stoinis are much of a muchness really

I agree with Az that Marsh is a marginally better bowler in terms of the eye test

But if you look at their ODI stats and extrapolate Stoinis' to Marsh's, Stoinis has about 300 more runs and exactly the same amount of wickets

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Azza » June 17, 2019, 10:20 pm

Yeah look i'm not hailing either of them as the messiah - but we haven't got the balance right at the moment and we're going to hit the business end of the tournament fairly soon (personally, unless we start playing the way we were a few months back, I think we will struggle).

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 19, 2019, 9:01 am

As far as hitters vs accumulators, I think the balance in the last game was good, but rather its more to do where they are batting in the lineup.

Warner - hitter
Finch - hitter
Uzi - accumulator
Smith - accumulator
Maxy - hitter
SMarsh - accumulator
Carey - hitter

Bowlers...

The only one out of place is SMarsh. You could argue switching him and Maxy depending on the situation. If there are 5 overs left, you send Maxy, if there is 35, you send SMarsh. As the mos basic of examples.

Alternatively, you only take 2 accumulators, Smith, and a floater. Which means Smith bats 3, and the other comes in depending on the game situation. However, this leaves could leave you open to collapse, OR, a lack of hitting power late in an innings.

FWIW, Id prefer to see a MM or Stoinis batting at 6, but IMO, that would make SMarsh your 2nd accumulator, as he can bat in the middle order, unlike Uzi.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by julian87 » June 19, 2019, 9:04 am

The most important thing is picking Lyon imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by -TW- » June 19, 2019, 11:20 am

Watching Morgan destroy Rashid Khan last night was thoroughly entertaining

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Post by yeh raiders » June 19, 2019, 11:24 am

Fair enough there was no spin, but was he looping the deliveries at all?

Eoin Morgan hit more sixes in one innings last night, than Nasser Hussain’s entire 86 game ODI career.

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Post by -TW- » June 19, 2019, 1:36 pm

a lot of his deliveries were flat, but the ones he looped up Morgan used his feet to and carted him

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by gergreg » June 20, 2019, 8:04 pm

So Bangladesh beat the Windies the other day. They chased down about 320 with 8 overs to spare. Not a bad effort.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by yeh raiders » June 20, 2019, 10:30 pm

Aussies flying. What a mature batsman David Warner has become.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by -PJ- » June 21, 2019, 7:22 am

Who remembers the good ole days when 200/220 was a competitive total in ODIs ?

Tubby Taylor blocking the first 15 overs for a handy 10 runs while Slater knocked the cover off it !!
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Post by Matt » June 21, 2019, 7:41 am

-PJ- wrote:
June 21, 2019, 7:22 am
Who remembers the good ole days when 200/220 was a competitive total in ODIs ?

Tubby Taylor blocking the first 15 overs for a handy 10 runs while Slater knocked the cover off it !!
:thumbsup

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by julian87 » June 21, 2019, 7:43 am

Matt wrote:
June 17, 2019, 2:29 pm
BJ wrote:
June 17, 2019, 12:28 pm
julian87 wrote:Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
Mitchell Marsh is not better than any cricketer on the measure “delivering on his talent when required on the field “.
agreed
You blokes don’t know how to separate the different formats of cricket for players imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 21, 2019, 7:44 am

1stly, that Rahim can play. Another 100 for the Banga keeper.

Warner... WOW! Classy ODI innings til he hit 100, then Bull came back.

Nice to see Uzi get a score.

Maxy fireworks was fun too.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by julian87 » June 21, 2019, 7:45 am

-PJ- wrote:
June 21, 2019, 7:22 am
Who remembers the good ole days when 200/220 was a competitive total in ODIs ?

Tubby Taylor blocking the first 15 overs for a handy 10 runs while Slater knocked the cover off it !!
Slater never hit the cover off the ball in one dayers.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by Matt » June 21, 2019, 7:48 am

julian87 wrote:
June 21, 2019, 7:43 am
Matt wrote:
June 17, 2019, 2:29 pm
BJ wrote:
June 17, 2019, 12:28 pm
julian87 wrote:Marsh is better in every aspect bar slogging from the very start than Stoinis imo. Marsh in for him. Shaun dropped and Lyon in for a seamer is our only chance imo.
Mitchell Marsh is not better than any cricketer on the measure “delivering on his talent when required on the field “.
agreed
You blokes don’t know how to separate the different formats of cricket for players imo.
I would have said MM hasn't delivered in either format.
However, would you believe he avgs 35 with bat and ball in ODI cricket?

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Post by julian87 » June 21, 2019, 9:38 am

Factor in strike rate, economy rate and bowler type and that’s top tier modern day all rounders if that record continues for longer.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by -PJ- » June 21, 2019, 12:12 pm

julian87 wrote:
June 21, 2019, 7:45 am
-PJ- wrote:
June 21, 2019, 7:22 am
Who remembers the good ole days when 200/220 was a competitive total in ODIs ?

Tubby Taylor blocking the first 15 overs for a handy 10 runs while Slater knocked the cover off it !!
Slater never hit the cover off the ball in one dayers.
Well I'm sorry.. :opps

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Re: The Cricket Thread

Post by julian87 » June 21, 2019, 12:37 pm

He was a brilliant test player who mystified selectors by being terrible at one day cricket when his game was more than suited.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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