Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 23, 2019, 4:19 pmAll I will say is thank god Lehman in no longer coach.-TW- wrote: ↑July 22, 2019, 7:14 pmDropping Starc in the country where he's probably going to be most dangerous.. makes sense..Matt wrote:On Macquarie Sports Radio, former coach Darren Lehmann named his Australian XI for the first Ashes Test against England:
1. David Warner
2. Cam Bancroft
3. Marcus Harris
4. Steve Smith
5. Travis Head
6. Joe Burns
7. Tim Paine (c)
8. James Pattinson / Mitchell Starc (depends on wicket)
9. Pat Cummins
10. Josh Hazlewood
11. Nathan Lyon
Pattinson should be battling with Hazelwood, Cam Bancroft doesn't walk back in and Burns either opens or doesn't play.
Wade should be a lock for the 6, otherwise domestic form means jack ****
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
The Cricket Thread
Moderator: GH Moderators
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Re: The Cricket Thread
Harris and Warner both out cheap in the scratch match
Neser with both
https://live.cricket.com.au/match/2296/ ... /scorecard
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
Neser with both
https://live.cricket.com.au/match/2296/ ... /scorecard
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Bowlers are certainly looking forward to the Ashes now.
Not sure the batsmen are.
Not sure the batsmen are.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/au ... moK9CeIAJg
Hard to argue with any on that. Actually a pretty decent article.
Hard to argue with any on that. Actually a pretty decent article.
Re: The Cricket Thread
7/96 plays 105 all out
Either it's a goat track or were in deep **** for the Ashes
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
Either it's a goat track or were in deep **** for the Ashes
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
The Aussies asked specifically for a green top for this game. Not sure they were expecting it to be this bowler friendly though.
The curator managed to get the surface to be very solid, but kept the grass green. So variable bounce, seam movement and swing at play here. The thing is a batting nightmare
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
At least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
One thing for certain is there's pleny of time for the 2nd innings.Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:11 pmAt least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
My understanding is Smith and Warner have not played any red ball cricket since Sandpapergate. ODIs and T20s can only prepare you so much for test cricket.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
Re: The Cricket Thread
or our bowling is freakish!-TW- wrote:7/96 plays 105 all out
Either it's a goat track or were in deep **** for the Ashes
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
Edrick The Entertainer
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Thats correct, only white ball stuff. BUT... thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball. I know that it is a difference and that a yr is a very long time in sport, but at least they have had some international quality cricket where they have been in good form.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:32 pmOne thing for certain is there's pleny of time for the 2nd innings.Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:11 pmAt least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
My understanding is Smith and Warner have not played any red ball cricket since Sandpapergate. ODIs and T20s can only prepare you so much for test cricket.
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
So many things wrong with this post. You really needed to stop at 'BUT'Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:57 pmThats correct, only white ball stuff. BUT... thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball. I know that it is a difference and that a yr is a very long time in sport, but at least they have had some international quality cricket where they have been in good form.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:32 pmOne thing for certain is there's pleny of time for the 2nd innings.Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:11 pmAt least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
My understanding is Smith and Warner have not played any red ball cricket since Sandpapergate. ODIs and T20s can only prepare you so much for test cricket.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
-
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 51202
- Joined: June 25, 2012, 9:53 am
- Favourite Player: Hodgo
- Location: Rockhampton, Central Queensland
Re: The Cricket Thread
Hahaha I was just thinking the same thing, NRNorthern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 4:06 pmSo many things wrong with this post. You really needed to stop at 'BUT'Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:57 pmThats correct, only white ball stuff. BUT... thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball. I know that it is a difference and that a yr is a very long time in sport, but at least they have had some international quality cricket where they have been in good form.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:32 pmOne thing for certain is there's pleny of time for the 2nd innings.Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:11 pmAt least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
My understanding is Smith and Warner have not played any red ball cricket since Sandpapergate. ODIs and T20s can only prepare you so much for test cricket.
Re: The Cricket Thread
Meanwhile England are 6/40 against Ireland
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
Re: The Cricket Thread
All out 85 in 23.4 overs
I'd laugh, but this could be us next week..
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
I'd laugh, but this could be us next week..
Sent from my CPH1831 using Tapatalk
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Yep... So the Poms can't bat either.
In 3 an a bit innings, Warner 58, Labu 41, Pucovski 37, Carey 26 and Bancroft 25*. That's poor reading.
Oh... Did I mention Marsh took 5 for over night?
In 3 an a bit innings, Warner 58, Labu 41, Pucovski 37, Carey 26 and Bancroft 25*. That's poor reading.
Oh... Did I mention Marsh took 5 for over night?
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
Ashes will be over in 2 days
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
And @ Rickman,Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 4:06 pmSo many things wrong with this post. You really needed to stop at 'BUT'Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 3:57 pmThats correct, only white ball stuff. BUT... thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball. I know that it is a difference and that a yr is a very long time in sport, but at least they have had some international quality cricket where they have been in good form.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:32 pmOne thing for certain is there's pleny of time for the 2nd innings.Matt wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:11 pmAt least they were good in the WC. They have at least batted at this level in recent times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 24, 2019, 1:10 pm Jeeeeesus. Thats a woeful scorecard, especisally when we're trying to sort out a couple of batting spots. Bancroft and Burns got starts but failed to kick on. Marnus the only thing like a decent score with 41. A sad day if thats a good enough score to grab a test spot.
Big concern that Warner and Smith didn't get any quality time at the crease. They've hardly seen a red ball the last 18 months.
I still think Labu will be left out, sent back to county cricket, but considered the 2nd spinner and 2nd middle order bat, and therefore straight in if an injury occurs.
My understanding is Smith and Warner have not played any red ball cricket since Sandpapergate. ODIs and T20s can only prepare you so much for test cricket.
What part of this is wrong?
Have they (Smith and Warner) never gone from short form to long form cricket in their careers?
Have they never played a WC and returned to Test cricket?
Is the ball the not different?
Is a yr not a long time in sport?
Have they not played some form of international level cricket recently?
Seriously?!? Not a single thing in there is incorrect. I hate using it, but To use vernacular you may understand, it feels like a Dubbying on my part.
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Im well aware of that, and ALL of my comments aimed at that. We have seen players not adapt quickly plenty of times, but these are not just your 'average' professional cricketers, these are 2 of the best our country has every produced. Sure, they come into the series having not played Test cricket for a yr, BUT, they at least are coming in off a very good WC, and thus in decent touch. Thats all I was saying.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-25/ ... TEUMNvwUtA
I really enjoyed watching the luck of the Irish... no, lets face it, it was watching the Poms suffer
I really enjoyed watching the luck of the Irish... no, lets face it, it was watching the Poms suffer
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
No, you were simplifying it back to just a change of ball colour. Players switch between short and long form cricket on a regular basis. That's not the issue and both teams are full of players doing the same.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:40 amIm well aware of that, and ALL of my comments aimed at that. We have seen players not adapt quickly plenty of times, but these are not just your 'average' professional cricketers, these are 2 of the best our country has every produced. Sure, they come into the series having not played Test cricket for a yr, BUT, they at least are coming in off a very good WC, and thus in decent touch. Thats all I was saying.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
The issue is Warner and Smith have not played long form cricket since March last year. That is why time at the crease for them is important in this trial match. Bowling tactics, field positions, changing conditions of both pitch and ball over a period of time. These are all factors that make long form batting an entirely different prospect. Smith and Warner have not had the benefit of experiencing this for nearly 15 months. Without some sort of grounding they are heading into the Ashes 'underdone'.
At least Warner got to face 90 odd balls overnight. That will help. Unfortunately Smith had his innings cut short again.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
-
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 51202
- Joined: June 25, 2012, 9:53 am
- Favourite Player: Hodgo
- Location: Rockhampton, Central Queensland
Re: The Cricket Thread
Yeah, that's what made me laugh too. He basically said the only difference between preparation for test match cricket and T20 is the colour of the ball.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
Pretty much explains why nobody knows how to hold their bat in the longer form of the game anymore.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
You have just explained the differences between the formats and the time between innings for them. I mentioned them, then said at least they have played well in international cricket recently. Pretty sure, despite your take on my post a couple of days ago, we are on the same page.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 9:13 amNo, you were simplifying it back to just a change of ball colour. Players switch between short and long form cricket on a regular basis. That's not the issue and both teams are full of players doing the same.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:40 amIm well aware of that, and ALL of my comments aimed at that. We have seen players not adapt quickly plenty of times, but these are not just your 'average' professional cricketers, these are 2 of the best our country has every produced. Sure, they come into the series having not played Test cricket for a yr, BUT, they at least are coming in off a very good WC, and thus in decent touch. Thats all I was saying.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
The issue is Warner and Smith have not played long form cricket since March last year. That is why time at the crease for them is important in this trial match. Bowling tactics, field positions, changing conditions of both pitch and ball over a period of time. These are all factors that make long form batting an entirely different prospect. Smith and Warner have not had the benefit of experiencing this for nearly 15 months. Without some sort of grounding they are heading into the Ashes 'underdone'.
At least Warner got to face 90 odd balls overnight. That will help. Unfortunately Smith had his innings cut short again.
Yes, its also pleasing to see that Warner had a good knock overnight.
What little Ive seen of Smith, he looks in great touch. I know 8 and 9 look bad, but, there are 3 boundaries in that, and they looked sweet as. Im going to put his scores down to the pitch more than the change in format. Smith dragged on in the 1st innings, which is unlucky and definitely a reflection on the pitch. He was LBW in the 2nd, which has claimed 10 of the 32 wickets so far. 30% is close to double the normal LBW dismissal rate in Tests and Smiths career (approx 18% in his Test career).
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
If this was a true selection trial the 1st Test XI would look like this:
Warner - 58
Bancroft - 2nd highest score by an opener. Is currently not out too.
Labu - 41
Smith* - right now there is no other middle order bat with a score, Wade and Handscomb are yet to bat, so pick the proven player
Pucovski - 37
Marsh - 29 and a 5 for
Carey* - of the 3 possible keepers, he has the highest score, not that 26 is good.
Cummins - 5 for
Pattinson - 3 for and 1 for
Siddle - 4 for
Lyon* - Bowled 10 overs to 1 vs Holland.
Neser/ Bird 12th and 13th man
Warner - 58
Bancroft - 2nd highest score by an opener. Is currently not out too.
Labu - 41
Smith* - right now there is no other middle order bat with a score, Wade and Handscomb are yet to bat, so pick the proven player
Pucovski - 37
Marsh - 29 and a 5 for
Carey* - of the 3 possible keepers, he has the highest score, not that 26 is good.
Cummins - 5 for
Pattinson - 3 for and 1 for
Siddle - 4 for
Lyon* - Bowled 10 overs to 1 vs Holland.
Neser/ Bird 12th and 13th man
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
My take on your post was based on this, which came immediately after "BUT".Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:24 amYou have just explained the differences between the formats and the time between innings for them. I mentioned them, then said at least they have played well in international cricket recently. Pretty sure, despite your take on my post a couple of days ago, we are on the same page.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 9:13 amNo, you were simplifying it back to just a change of ball colour. Players switch between short and long form cricket on a regular basis. That's not the issue and both teams are full of players doing the same.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:40 amIm well aware of that, and ALL of my comments aimed at that. We have seen players not adapt quickly plenty of times, but these are not just your 'average' professional cricketers, these are 2 of the best our country has every produced. Sure, they come into the series having not played Test cricket for a yr, BUT, they at least are coming in off a very good WC, and thus in decent touch. Thats all I was saying.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
The issue is Warner and Smith have not played long form cricket since March last year. That is why time at the crease for them is important in this trial match. Bowling tactics, field positions, changing conditions of both pitch and ball over a period of time. These are all factors that make long form batting an entirely different prospect. Smith and Warner have not had the benefit of experiencing this for nearly 15 months. Without some sort of grounding they are heading into the Ashes 'underdone'.
At least Warner got to face 90 odd balls overnight. That will help. Unfortunately Smith had his innings cut short again.
Yes, its also pleasing to see that Warner had a good knock overnight.
What little Ive seen of Smith, he looks in great touch. I know 8 and 9 look bad, but, there are 3 boundaries in that, and they looked sweet as. Im going to put his scores down to the pitch more than the change in format. Smith dragged on in the 1st innings, which is unlucky and definitely a reflection on the pitch. He was LBW in the 2nd, which has claimed 10 of the 32 wickets so far. 30% is close to double the normal LBW dismissal rate in Tests and Smiths career (approx 18% in his Test career).
"thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball."
I can't think of any other time in their career when they didn't play any sort of Test or First Class cricket for 15 months. It has nothing to do with changing between formats (which is common).
What you say about Smith looking in great touch in a couple of single figure innings actually confirms the issue. Hitting a couple of nice boundaries then getting out is exactly what you don't want in a test match.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Yeah, you over read that significantly. Esp as I mentioned the time frame in the next sentence.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:35 amMy take on your post was based on this, which came immediately after "BUT".Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:24 amYou have just explained the differences between the formats and the time between innings for them. I mentioned them, then said at least they have played well in international cricket recently. Pretty sure, despite your take on my post a couple of days ago, we are on the same page.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 9:13 amNo, you were simplifying it back to just a change of ball colour. Players switch between short and long form cricket on a regular basis. That's not the issue and both teams are full of players doing the same.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:40 amIm well aware of that, and ALL of my comments aimed at that. We have seen players not adapt quickly plenty of times, but these are not just your 'average' professional cricketers, these are 2 of the best our country has every produced. Sure, they come into the series having not played Test cricket for a yr, BUT, they at least are coming in off a very good WC, and thus in decent touch. Thats all I was saying.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 8:17 am Come on Matt. Everybody in cricket knows there are many significant differences between batting in short form vs long form. Its not just a different coloured ball. Those questions you're asking to try an justify your position are way off course.
The issue is Warner and Smith have not played long form cricket since March last year. That is why time at the crease for them is important in this trial match. Bowling tactics, field positions, changing conditions of both pitch and ball over a period of time. These are all factors that make long form batting an entirely different prospect. Smith and Warner have not had the benefit of experiencing this for nearly 15 months. Without some sort of grounding they are heading into the Ashes 'underdone'.
At least Warner got to face 90 odd balls overnight. That will help. Unfortunately Smith had his innings cut short again.
Yes, its also pleasing to see that Warner had a good knock overnight.
What little Ive seen of Smith, he looks in great touch. I know 8 and 9 look bad, but, there are 3 boundaries in that, and they looked sweet as. Im going to put his scores down to the pitch more than the change in format. Smith dragged on in the 1st innings, which is unlucky and definitely a reflection on the pitch. He was LBW in the 2nd, which has claimed 10 of the 32 wickets so far. 30% is close to double the normal LBW dismissal rate in Tests and Smiths career (approx 18% in his Test career).
"thats no different to any other time of their career really. Going from 1 format to the next. Going from a WC back to Test cricket. The only difference is the ball."
I can't think of any other time in their career when they didn't play any sort of Test or First Class cricket for 15 months. It has nothing to do with changing between formats (which is common).
What you say about Smith looking in great touch in a couple of single figure innings actually confirms the issue. Hitting a couple of nice boundaries then getting out is exactly what you don't want in a test match.
For Smith, correct. Yet, look at the pitch and the other batsmen. I stand by its pitch more than batsmen/ format.
34* innings, and 12 players have reached double figures. Of those 12, 6 have equalled or past 25, only 2 have passed 30, and Warners 58 is the best. The pitch is a bowlers deck.
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
Sad state of affairs. Nobody has put togehter an innings worthy of test selection. Bowlers pick themselves although Pattinson could leapfrog Hazelwood.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:35 am If this was a true selection trial the 1st Test XI would look like this:
Warner - 58
Bancroft - 2nd highest score by an opener. Is currently not out too.
Labu - 41
Smith* - right now there is no other middle order bat with a score, Wade and Handscomb are yet to bat, so pick the proven player
Pucovski - 37
Marsh - 29 and a 5 for
Carey* - of the 3 possible keepers, he has the highest score, not that 26 is good.
Cummins - 5 for
Pattinson - 3 for and 1 for
Siddle - 4 for
Lyon* - Bowled 10 overs to 1 vs Holland.
Neser/ Bird 12th and 13th man
For the batsmen Warner, Smith and Head should be locked in. Usi too if healthy. I personally believe Patterson deserves retention too. Did everything asked of him and should be given an opportunity to lock in his spot.
Warner's opening partner is the contentious one. Harris has been given plenty of opportunity at test level and failed to take advantage of it. Burns on the other hand has performed well when given his chances. He earned a recall on the back of strong domestic form and scored 180 in his last test. Would be exceptionally harsh to drop him.
Bancroft should be well down the list. His test career has been underwhelming to date and was on the verge of being dropped before suspension. Really should be earning his spot back with a strong domestic season. No way has does he deserve immediate recall at the expense of somebody like Burns.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
TBH, both Starc and Big Wood have done nothing in this game. However, both are top 5 at Test level in the past yr, and were easily the best opening pair in Test cricket last yr. I dont think you can drop either, and Cummins isnt going anywhere. So, unless they go in with 1 less bat, not sure Pattinson can be anything other than 12th man in the 1st Test. I do think he will play in the series, as I can see a rotation and/ or injury allowing it.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:50 amSad state of affairs. Nobody has put togehter an innings worthy of test selection. Bowlers pick themselves although Pattinson could leapfrog Hazelwood.Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 10:35 am If this was a true selection trial the 1st Test XI would look like this:
Warner - 58
Bancroft - 2nd highest score by an opener. Is currently not out too.
Labu - 41
Smith* - right now there is no other middle order bat with a score, Wade and Handscomb are yet to bat, so pick the proven player
Pucovski - 37
Marsh - 29 and a 5 for
Carey* - of the 3 possible keepers, he has the highest score, not that 26 is good.
Cummins - 5 for
Pattinson - 3 for and 1 for
Siddle - 4 for
Lyon* - Bowled 10 overs to 1 vs Holland.
Neser/ Bird 12th and 13th man
For the batsmen Warner, Smith and Head should be locked in. Usi too if healthy. I personally believe Patterson deserves retention too. Did everything asked of him and should be given an opportunity to lock in his spot.
Warner's opening partner is the contentious one. Harris has been given plenty of opportunity at test level and failed to take advantage of it. Burns on the other hand has performed well when given his chances. He earned a recall on the back of strong domestic form and scored 180 in his last test. Would be exceptionally harsh to drop him.
Bancroft should be well down the list. His test career has been underwhelming to date and was on the verge of being dropped before suspension. Really should be earning his spot back with a strong domestic season. No way has does he deserve immediate recall at the expense of somebody like Burns.
I agree RE most of the batting lineup, Warner, "do something to be his partner", Uzi, Smith, Head. I think 6 is also contentious though.
Openers:
Harris still appears the front runner according to the media etc. He was ok at Test level - avg 33 (2x 50 in 11 innings). Has a 47-48 avg in County Cricket this yr.
For Aust A - 109 vs Sussex.
Burns has a pretty useful Test career - avg 40 (4x 100 and 4x 50 in 28 innings >>> he failed in series vs India (in Aus), NZ (in Aus), Sri Lanka (in SL) and Sth Africa, and prospered vs WI, NZ (in NZ) Sri Lanka (in Aus). His State form was good last yr. He is coming off a big hundred last summer.
For Aust A - 133 vs Sussex.
Bancroft has an ok Test career - avg 31 (3x 50 in 14 innings). He is avging 57 or something in County Cricket this yr. Has a serious chance to put his hand up at 25* though.
IMO, we have 2 avg Test openers, who are dogged in their style, but 30-35 avg is all you will get. Ive always thought Burns was a flat track bully, and I still think that. His credentials are better than the other 2. Are we better served picking an extra middle order bat and promote Uzi?
#6
Wade - form is ridiculous
Marsh - allrounders are always a draw card. That 5 for will be tempting.
Patterson - Incumbent and 2 good scores vs SL. As best I can tell, has barely made a run on tour.
Pucovski - TBH, he is still a work in progress, but a 100 in the ODIs is good news. 37 the other day too.
Labu - TBH, sub par Test career so far (4 of his 8 innings were in the subcontinent though), but showed promise - avg 26 (1x 50). 41 in the 1st innings, and still the 2nd highest in the match. Very good County Cricket this yr, 2nd div though.
Handscomb - I think he is down the pecking order and may well get pigeon holed as a short form guy with that technique.
IMO, its harsh on Patterson, but Wade has probably done enough to earn a recall as a batsmen. I think Patterson has the best technique of the options though. I reckon Marsh as an allrounder might be ahead of Patterson and Labu in the coaches eyes too. If Uzi opened, at least you have the option of picking a 2nd of these guys, OR, gamble on Pattinson, and have a tail of Cummins, Pattinson, Starc, who can all bat, with 'the wall' Lyon and Big Wood.
PS. very annoying to have a PattINson and a PattERson in the same team.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
A Gem from someone at Fox Sports.
There once was a team from Lord's
85 was all they'd afford
Bowled out in a session
By their fine Irish Brethren
Now the Ashes, lets put them Poms to the Sword
There once was a team from Lord's
85 was all they'd afford
Bowled out in a session
By their fine Irish Brethren
Now the Ashes, lets put them Poms to the Sword
-
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 51202
- Joined: June 25, 2012, 9:53 am
- Favourite Player: Hodgo
- Location: Rockhampton, Central Queensland
- Northern Raider
- Mal Meninga
- Posts: 32580
- Joined: June 19, 2007, 8:17 am
- Favourite Player: Dean Lance
- Location: Greener pastures
Re: The Cricket Thread
You need a lot of work on your statistical analysis in cricket. Burns "failed" against India by scoring 2 x 50s in his 4 innings. Thats the same number of 50s that Harris has in his 11 total test innings, which you believe is "OK".Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 12:33 pm
Burns has a pretty useful Test career - avg 40 (4x 100 and 4x 50 in 28 innings >>> he failed in series vs India (in Aus), NZ (in Aus), Sri Lanka (in SL) and Sth Africa, and prospered vs WI, NZ (in NZ) Sri Lanka (in Aus). His State form was good last yr. He is coming off a big hundred last summer.
For Aust A - 133 vs Sussex.
His "failure" against New Zealand included scores of 126, 70 and 40.
He had a tough time in Sri Lanka but we got flogged 3-0 in that series. He was dropped for the 3rd test and SMarsh was promoted to opener.
He was recalled for the Hobart test against South Africa where EVERYBODY failed. He was again dropped (along with Callum Ferguson in his only test appearance). His next match was flown over to SA for the last test following Sandpapergate. Top scored in the 2nd innings with 42 when the side was 119 all out.
His test career has hardly been delivered on a silver platter. To call him a flat track bully is ridiculous. The only time he's really "failed" is in Sri Lanka and he had a few friends there.
* The author assumes no responsibility for the topicality, correctness, completeness or quality of information provided.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
You are correct. Serves me right for reading stats on my phone over lunch. My apologies.Northern Raider wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 3:43 pmYou need a lot of work on your statistical analysis in cricket. Burns "failed" against India by scoring 2 x 50s in his 4 innings. Thats the same number of 50s that Harris has in his 11 total test innings, which you believe is "OK".Matt wrote: ↑July 25, 2019, 12:33 pm
Burns has a pretty useful Test career - avg 40 (4x 100 and 4x 50 in 28 innings >>> he failed in series vs India (in Aus), NZ (in Aus), Sri Lanka (in SL) and Sth Africa, and prospered vs WI, NZ (in NZ) Sri Lanka (in Aus). His State form was good last yr. He is coming off a big hundred last summer.
For Aust A - 133 vs Sussex.
His "failure" against New Zealand included scores of 126, 70 and 40.
He had a tough time in Sri Lanka but we got flogged 3-0 in that series. He was dropped for the 3rd test and SMarsh was promoted to opener.
He was recalled for the Hobart test against South Africa where EVERYBODY failed. He was again dropped (along with Callum Ferguson in his only test appearance). His next match was flown over to SA for the last test following Sandpapergate. Top scored in the 2nd innings with 42 when the side was 119 all out.
His test career has hardly been delivered on a silver platter. To call him a flat track bully is ridiculous. The only time he's really "failed" is in Sri Lanka and he had a few friends there.
I still think he is a flat track bully. I've always had that feeling about him. As I said, he is more credentialed than the other 2.
Just looked up those 50s vs India, we made 570 in the 1st dig, then came out swinging in the 2nd innings, the strike rates are all very high, bar SMarsh who made 1 from 4 in the 2nd dig. He was at 6.
It's 129 not 126 vs NZ. He made 71 in the 1st dig too. Team made 550 in the 1st innings. Warner twin tons. This was back when NZ still sucked. They were still sucky when he toured NZ too.
As for calling Harris ok, an avg of 30 is ok. In other countries that's acceptable. Not India or Australia though. Hence my suggestion of Uzi opening, where he avgs more than anywhere else at Test level.
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Bancroft batting his way into serious contention. Equalled Labu's 1st innings of 41, and counting.
Wade failed.
Handscomb at the crease on 4
Wade failed.
Handscomb at the crease on 4
- Matt
- Don Furner
- Posts: 38872
- Joined: May 18, 2010, 4:17 pm
- Favourite Player: Time for the new breed Savage, Mooney, Timoko
- Location: Canberra
Re: The Cricket Thread
Irish made 207.
Poms are 61/1 currently
Poms are 61/1 currently