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Cameron White should be elevated above Turnip...
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-PJ- wrote: January 20, 2020, 5:02 pm Cameron White should be elevated above Turnip...
turnip = turner?
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Matt wrote: January 21, 2020, 8:37 am
-PJ- wrote: January 20, 2020, 5:02 pm Cameron White should be elevated above Turnip...
turnip = turner?
Yep
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Kiwis needed 2 from 4 in the third T20 v India, managed 1 from 4 and lost the Super over defending 17
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I just watched a very entertaining game of cricket on fox.

Womens T20 AUS V ENG from Manuka.

ENG 4/156
AUS 8/156

The Aussies looked gone. They needed 40 from 18 balls and Annabelle Sutherland( on debut) smashed 22 from 10 balls to force a tie.

ENG won in a super over hitting the 9 runs required..good game !!
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In other cricket news...

boney made a 50 today in terrible heat..

The bloke is a machine.
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-PJ- wrote:In other cricket news...

boney made a 50 today in terrible heat..

The bloke is a machine.
haha half dead, won't get any call ups batted 20 overs lots of walking not much running

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A turnaround in the BBL final, 3 wickets and 3 runs in the last 13 balls, Strikers looked like they’d get home Easy
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Lost 6/20odd

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Sid wrote: February 1, 2020, 9:44 pm A turnaround in the BBL final, 3 wickets and 3 runs in the last 13 balls, Strikers looked like they’d get home Easy
Carey run out was a massive turning point. They didn't look close to getting him out and Strikers were cruising home.
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NZ batsmen Ross Taylor and Tim Seifert just smashed 34 runs in an over..

5th T20 international on now.

NZ v IND.

A front foot no ball went for 6, and the free hit went further..
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https://www.cricket.com.au/news/austral ... 7q_YBf_pg8

An interesting squad here. Ill group them the way I see them.

Has beens:
Moses Henriques - I dont see it. He is a good, possibly great, state player. However, I cant see him playing for Australia again, esp as he seems to have given bowling away.

Jackson Bird - Our fast bowling depth is too good. We cant fit Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson in as it is. Richardson is beck from injury, even if he is doing the 'Courtney Walsh' boundary throws. They seem to like Neser over Bird too.

Ego strokers (keep player happy that they are 'in consideration):
Khawaja - I like him, he has the talent, but he just didnt do it consistently enough, esp overseas, to hold his spot. They dont like his lackadaisical approach either.

Harris - I feel a little harsh putting him in this list, but I cant see him getting another crack.

Rookie Testing:
Josh Inglis (wk) - has had a really good yr in BBL, and a decent yr in Shield. They are obviously seeing if its a purple patch or actual ability.

Steketee - He bowls quick enough that he may in fact jump Neser. In the sub continent and here, you have to bowl 140+ or you are pretty useless.

Actual contenders:
Pucovski - Kid has to get his head right on 2 counts - mental health and concussion. I just have a feeling he will never make it because of these issues though, which is very sad.

Neser - CA like him as a bowling allrounder, and I think he is 'in contention', but as per the above, cant see how he forces his way in. Looks a permanent squad guy.

Kurtis Patterson - Didnt put a foot wrong in national colours. Still not sure how he wasnt on tour in the Ashes.

Stoinis - They really want him to be the allrounder MMarsh couldnt be/ isnt. Not sure he will ever be that in the longer format, but I hope he finds a way. (BTW, really surprised Cam Green isnt on this tour for this reason too).

Swepson - We need a backup spinner for the longer format. Hopes were high for him a few years ago. Hasnt really kicked on, but hasnt gone away either. This is another area of Aussie cricket that needs fixing.
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Matt wrote:https://www.cricket.com.au/news/austral ... 7q_YBf_pg8

An interesting squad here. Ill group them the way I see them.

Has beens:
Moses Henriques - I dont see it. He is a good, possibly great, state player. However, I cant see him playing for Australia again, esp as he seems to have given bowling away.

Jackson Bird - Our fast bowling depth is too good. We cant fit Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson in as it is. Richardson is beck from injury, even if he is doing the 'Courtney Walsh' boundary throws. They seem to like Neser over Bird too.

Ego strokers (keep player happy that they are 'in consideration):
Khawaja - I like him, he has the talent, but he just didnt do it consistently enough, esp overseas, to hold his spot. They dont like his lackadaisical approach either.

Harris - I feel a little harsh putting him in this list, but I cant see him getting another crack.

Rookie Testing:
Josh Inglis (wk) - has had a really good yr in BBL, and a decent yr in Shield. They are obviously seeing if its a purple patch or actual ability.

Steketee - He bowls quick enough that he may in fact jump Neser. In the sub continent and here, you have to bowl 140+ or you are pretty useless.

Actual contenders:
Pucovski - Kid has to get his head right on 2 counts - mental health and concussion. I just have a feeling he will never make it because of these issues though, which is very sad.

Neser - CA like him as a bowling allrounder, and I think he is 'in contention', but as per the above, cant see how he forces his way in. Looks a permanent squad guy.

Kurtis Patterson - Didnt put a foot wrong in national colours. Still not sure how he wasnt on tour in the Ashes.

Stoinis - They really want him to be the allrounder MMarsh couldnt be/ isnt. Not sure he will ever be that in the longer format, but I hope he finds a way. (BTW, really surprised Cam Green isnt on this tour for this reason too).

Swepson - We need a backup spinner for the longer format. Hopes were high for him a few years ago. Hasnt really kicked on, but hasnt gone away either. This is another area of Aussie cricket that needs fixing.
Patterson was injured

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Patterson was not injured for the Ashes tour.
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It’s a good team besides Stoinis imo.
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There's a few test contenders in the Australian limited overs squad. Otherwise the likes of Carey and Jye Richardson would be there ahead of Bird and Inglis.

Khawaja is currently next in line for a test spot so has to be included. Patterson after him. The door is still ajar for Harris. Bancroft appears to have dropped of the list completely.

Swepo was in the squad for Sydney test and has had a decent start to the Sheffield Shield. He's the obvious choice as back up spinner.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 1:16 pm There's a few test contenders in the Australian limited overs squad. Otherwise the likes of Carey and Jye Richardson would be there ahead of Bird and Inglis.

Khawaja is currently next in line for a test spot so has to be included. Patterson after him. The door is still ajar for Harris. Bancroft appears to have dropped of the list completely.

Swepo was in the squad for Sydney test and has had a decent start to the Sheffield Shield. He's the obvious choice as back up spinner.
Carey is definitely in the box seat for the gloves. However, Ive been impressed with Inglis. So who knows?!?

Opener is very tricky. Options appear thin. I think that is the only way back for Uzi. Bancroft needs to be black listed. Harris needs another 1000 run season. Renshaw was surprisingly good in the BBL, but cant make a run for QLD.

Patterson and Richardson should be the next cabs IMO.

Just because Swepson was pulled in for Syd, doesnt mean a hell of a lot, as they always have 2 spin options for Syd. My memory is bad, but I think its been a while since we played 2 genuine spinners in Syd (did Agar or SOK play last yr?). We lack quality spinners ATM, and he is arguably the best of a bad-ish bunch.
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Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 1:16 pm There's a few test contenders in the Australian limited overs squad. Otherwise the likes of Carey and Jye Richardson would be there ahead of Bird and Inglis.

Khawaja is currently next in line for a test spot so has to be included. Patterson after him. The door is still ajar for Harris. Bancroft appears to have dropped of the list completely.

Swepo was in the squad for Sydney test and has had a decent start to the Sheffield Shield. He's the obvious choice as back up spinner.
Carey is definitely in the box seat for the gloves. However, Ive been impressed with Inglis. So who knows?!?

Opener is very tricky. Options appear thin. I think that is the only way back for Uzi. Bancroft needs to be black listed. Harris needs another 1000 run season. Renshaw was surprisingly good in the BBL, but cant make a run for QLD.

Patterson and Richardson should be the next cabs IMO.

Just because Swepson was pulled in for Syd, doesnt mean a hell of a lot, as they always have 2 spin options for Syd. My memory is bad, but I think its been a while since we played 2 genuine spinners in Syd (did Agar or SOK play last yr?). We lack quality spinners ATM, and he is arguably the best of a bad-ish bunch.
Labuschagne was the "2nd spinner" last year

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SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
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julian87 wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:01 pm SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
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Northern Raider wrote:
julian87 wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:01 pm SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
SOK can’t actually spin the ball. He gets found out by good players.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
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Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
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BJ wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:47 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
julian87 wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:01 pm SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
SOK can’t actually spin the ball. He gets found out by good players.
He’s got a first class bowling average of 24 and test average of 29 so that’s a bit of a myth imo.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
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Swepson is #2 atm but with Marnus Locked in I think he’s surplus to requirements atm.

I still think O’Keefe would be a better pick when next in the sub continent giving us both varieties of finger spin + Marnus’ leggies.
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Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:19 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
I think you’re downplaying his last 12 months of cricket. He’s coming along nicely atm there’s just not a spot for him.

SOK should but won’t be picked again.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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julian87 wrote:
BJ wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:47 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
julian87 wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:01 pm SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
SOK can’t actually spin the ball. He gets found out by good players.
He’s got a first class bowling average of 24 and test average of 29 so that’s a bit of a myth imo.
Taking bulk wickets in India should have kept him in the frame, but I think his indiscretion soured things a bit

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-TW- wrote: February 6, 2020, 11:08 am
julian87 wrote:
BJ wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:47 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
julian87 wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:01 pm SOK should still be the 2nd spinner imo.
Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
SOK can’t actually spin the ball. He gets found out by good players.
He’s got a first class bowling average of 24 and test average of 29 so that’s a bit of a myth imo.
Taking bulk wickets in India should have kept him in the frame, but I think his indiscretion soured things a bit

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Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:19 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
Where exactly did they want him to be by now? Lyon isn't getting dropped any time soon so I doubt they're chasing a replacement. They need somebody in reserve in case Lyon breaks a finger on his bowling hand or something. By including Swepo in the squad for Sydney sends a clear message that right now he's their guy if that happens.
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Matt wrote:
-TW- wrote: February 6, 2020, 11:08 am
julian87 wrote:
BJ wrote: February 5, 2020, 9:47 pm
Northern Raider wrote: Was actually unlucky not to be given a decent go way back before the settled on Lyon. His performance has always outweighed the selectors opinion of him.
SOK can’t actually spin the ball. He gets found out by good players.
He’s got a first class bowling average of 24 and test average of 29 so that’s a bit of a myth imo.
Taking bulk wickets in India should have kept him in the frame, but I think his indiscretion soured things a bit

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Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 2:15 pm
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:19 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 5, 2020, 4:34 pm Matt, how can you say Swepo coming into the squad for the Sydney test doesn't mean a lot? Surely means he's the no2 spinner in the eyes of selectors.
Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
Where exactly did they want him to be by now? Lyon isn't getting dropped any time soon so I doubt they're chasing a replacement. They need somebody in reserve in case Lyon breaks a finger on his bowling hand or something. By including Swepo in the squad for Sydney sends a clear message that right now he's their guy if that happens.
They expected a poor mans Warnie. Which I dont think he is.
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Matt wrote: February 7, 2020, 7:38 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 2:15 pm
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:19 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 5:56 am

Because of the 4 posts above this 1
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
Where exactly did they want him to be by now? Lyon isn't getting dropped any time soon so I doubt they're chasing a replacement. They need somebody in reserve in case Lyon breaks a finger on his bowling hand or something. By including Swepo in the squad for Sydney sends a clear message that right now he's their guy if that happens.
They expected a poor mans Warnie. Which I dont think he is.
Interesting take. He's only 26 and not even played a test yet. Has had no opportunity to show whether he's a poor man's Warnie, the next Warnie or the next Steve Smith (as a bowler). I'm not sure what you're basing your assessment on. Fact is he's currently been positioned as the next choice specialist spin bowler by the simple fact that he's the only one included in the extended test squad this season. Surely you can see that.
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Northern Raider wrote: February 7, 2020, 12:32 pm
Matt wrote: February 7, 2020, 7:38 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 2:15 pm
Matt wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:19 am
Northern Raider wrote: February 6, 2020, 8:08 am
Huh? :?
SOK was/ is the #2 spinner in the country and he doesnt spin it.
Zampa is our short form guy, and he doesnt spin it.
We have been using Labu as our 2nd spin option for a couple of years. Its how he played in the sub continent.
Swepson is there almost by default in squad selection. 'You have to take 2 spinners to Syd', so he was the bum in the seat. I dont want that to completely dismiss his ability, but he isnt where CA hoped he would be by now.
Where exactly did they want him to be by now? Lyon isn't getting dropped any time soon so I doubt they're chasing a replacement. They need somebody in reserve in case Lyon breaks a finger on his bowling hand or something. By including Swepo in the squad for Sydney sends a clear message that right now he's their guy if that happens.
They expected a poor mans Warnie. Which I dont think he is.
Interesting take. He's only 26 and not even played a test yet. Has had no opportunity to show whether he's a poor man's Warnie, the next Warnie or the next Steve Smith (as a bowler). I'm not sure what you're basing your assessment on. Fact is he's currently been positioned as the next choice specialist spin bowler by the simple fact that he's the only one included in the extended test squad this season. Surely you can see that.
Swepson's 1st class avg is 35 and a bit.

Here are a few random spinners I can think of being here in recent times.
Ashwin 26.
Shah 28.
Santner 46 - WOW!
Moeen Ali - 38

SOK's is 24.5.
Agar - 41.19
Zampa - 48.26
Holland - 32.86
Lyon - 33.94
Warnie - 26

They might have him as the 2nd best spinner in the country ATM, but looking at his numbers and the ones above, where do you place him?
Im trying to say, our spin options arent good here ATM.
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