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Picking Burns and Bangers, we are looking at playing a left/ right opening combo. I think this is a good move, given that the opening options didnt really stand out. BUUUUT...
Uzi still avgs 40.66 in Test cricket.
Uzi's record is so good in Australia, avging 52.97.
Uzi's recording opening is an avg of 96.8 in Tests - 7 innings, 2x 100, 2x 50, and 2x not out.
Surely you er on the side of experience and previous performance when in doubt.
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Matt wrote: November 15, 2019, 11:22 am
Northern Raider wrote: November 15, 2019, 10:23 am
julian87 wrote: November 14, 2019, 3:55 pm Neser is not an all rounder.

And Paine isn’t good enough to bat 6.

6 bats. Paine. 4 bowlers. Lubbers, wade, Smith and Head can send down 20 overs a day between them.
Yeah, but not sure where the notion came from that Neser was an all rounder. He's a bowler who can score a hit a few runs. Pretty much like Starc, Cummins, Siddle etc. None of those guys would bat 6 in a test.

As for the extra bowler you hardly need to bother with Smith or Wade. Labuschagne is quite effective as a 5th bowler. Head is solid. Wade possibly your change up 'partnership breaker'. Smith has enough on his plate being our primary run scorer and unofficial VC. He can leave his pies in the oven.
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Northern Raider wrote: November 15, 2019, 12:35 pm
Matt wrote: November 15, 2019, 11:22 am
Northern Raider wrote: November 15, 2019, 10:23 am
julian87 wrote: November 14, 2019, 3:55 pm Neser is not an all rounder.

And Paine isn’t good enough to bat 6.

6 bats. Paine. 4 bowlers. Lubbers, wade, Smith and Head can send down 20 overs a day between them.
Yeah, but not sure where the notion came from that Neser was an all rounder. He's a bowler who can score a hit a few runs. Pretty much like Starc, Cummins, Siddle etc. None of those guys would bat 6 in a test.

As for the extra bowler you hardly need to bother with Smith or Wade. Labuschagne is quite effective as a 5th bowler. Head is solid. Wade possibly your change up 'partnership breaker'. Smith has enough on his plate being our primary run scorer and unofficial VC. He can leave his pies in the oven.
Unofficial VC... didnt realise he got demoted :P
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When does the first test start ?
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People might actually start caring about cricket then.. maybe

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Pattinson is suspended. So expect a Starc, Big Wood, Cummins and GOAT attack
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Which is what it should be anyway.

We’re getting to the point where we may as well just start picking NSW + Marnus
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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julian87 wrote: November 17, 2019, 1:18 pm Which is what it should be anyway.

We’re getting to the point where we may as well just start picking NSW + Marnus
Don't leave Bancroft. He has to be there somewhere. ;)
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Pattinson suspension has worked out perfectly for the selectors. They can include Starc for the 1st test but under no pressure to retain him of he doesn't perform.

Anyway with the fast bowler rotations this is simply Patto's turn to sit out.
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julian87 wrote: November 17, 2019, 1:18 pm Which is what it should be anyway.

We’re getting to the point where we may as well just start picking NSW + Marnus
Just about, but, TBF, worked in the past too
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Northern Raider wrote: November 17, 2019, 4:22 pm Pattinson suspension has worked out perfectly for the selectors. They can include Starc for the 1st test but under no pressure to retain him of he doesn't perform.

Anyway with the fast bowler rotations this is simply Patto's turn to sit out.
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Northern Raider wrote: November 17, 2019, 4:20 pm
julian87 wrote: November 17, 2019, 1:18 pm Which is what it should be anyway.

We’re getting to the point where we may as well just start picking NSW + Marnus
Don't leave Bancroft. He has to be there somewhere. ;)
Are u sold on Burns?
Coz frankly, I don't like any of our current options.
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Burns should never have been dropped. But with his technique worked over by Pakistan it wasn’t the time for him to be recalled imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Matt wrote: November 17, 2019, 7:35 pm
Northern Raider wrote: November 17, 2019, 4:20 pm
julian87 wrote: November 17, 2019, 1:18 pm Which is what it should be anyway.

We’re getting to the point where we may as well just start picking NSW + Marnus
Don't leave Bancroft. He has to be there somewhere. ;)
Are u sold on Burns?
Coz frankly, I don't like any of our current options.
No, I'm not sold on Burns yet. He's been OK at test level without fully establishing himself. Deserves the opportunity to do so at least.

However in the Burns vs Bancroft stakes its not even a contest. How Bancroft is even in the discussion is beyond me. His technique is still has major flaws and he has no production to back it up. Combine this with him being rubbed out for cheating and it become even more baffling. There is a fairly long list of batsmen who should be getting a shot before him.
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@Northern Raider,
@julian87,
@-TW-,
@PJ,
Who should be Warner's opening partner?
Who should be the next opener in line?

Coz I feel like all our options at the moment stink.

Burns has technique flaws IMO. An opening batsmen who doesnt keep bat and pad together. However, it is his turn.
Harris is Harris IMO. A solid player, that can dig in, but wont be better than that.
Bancroft knows how to get selected with scores in the selection trial, but how he gets that chance?!?!
Renshaw seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Uzi has dropped out of favor again IMO, but at the same time, class is class, and he avgs 40 in Tests and 52 in Australia. With lack of options this is where Id go.
SMarsh... dare I bring him up?!?!?
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Just promote labu you cats.
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zim wrote: November 18, 2019, 1:44 pm Just promote labu you cats.
OK. Then who bats 3? Who is the extra bat if you slide everyone up 1.
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I would have picked Khawaja. But it really doesn't matter. Labu just holds an end down. Warner and Smith win the day. The plan is faultless.
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zim wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:09 pm I would have picked Khawaja. But it really doesn't matter. Labu just holds an end down. Warner and Smith win the day. The plan is faultless.
I would open with Uzi, so same 11.
Agree with the game plan too.
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Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 1:37 pm @Northern Raider,
@julian87,
@-TW-,
@PJ,
Who should be Warner's opening partner?
Who should be the next opener in line?

Coz I feel like all our options at the moment stink.

Burns has technique flaws IMO. An opening batsmen who doesnt keep bat and pad together. However, it is his turn.
Harris is Harris IMO. A solid player, that can dig in, but wont be better than that.
Bancroft knows how to get selected with scores in the selection trial, but how he gets that chance?!?!
Renshaw seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Uzi has dropped out of favor again IMO, but at the same time, class is class, and he avgs 40 in Tests and 52 in Australia. With lack of options this is where Id go.
SMarsh... dare I bring him up?!?!?
Finch... :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're asking the same question multiple times. Burns is Warner's opening partner. He's been decent at both domestic and test level for some time. The spot should be his until such time as somebody else surpasses him. So far nobody has and selectors should stop throwing darts hoping to land on one. The only current alternative worth considering is to recall Usi as opener.
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Northern Raider wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:13 pm
Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 1:37 pm @Northern Raider,
@julian87,
@-TW-,
@PJ,
Who should be Warner's opening partner?
Who should be the next opener in line?

Coz I feel like all our options at the moment stink.

Burns has technique flaws IMO. An opening batsmen who doesnt keep bat and pad together. However, it is his turn.
Harris is Harris IMO. A solid player, that can dig in, but wont be better than that.
Bancroft knows how to get selected with scores in the selection trial, but how he gets that chance?!?!
Renshaw seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Uzi has dropped out of favor again IMO, but at the same time, class is class, and he avgs 40 in Tests and 52 in Australia. With lack of options this is where Id go.
SMarsh... dare I bring him up?!?!?
Finch... :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're asking the same question multiple times. Burns is Warner's opening partner. He's been decent at both domestic and test level for some time. The spot should be his until such time as somebody else surpasses him. So far nobody has and selectors should stop throwing darts hoping to land on one. The only current alternative worth considering is to recall Usi as opener.
TBF,
The 1st time was the Ashes... the selections were a bust.
The other day it was 'who out of Burns and Bangers', given the selections.
Today, if you were selector it would be?

All this points to, is that our options stink, and there dont seem to be any coming through ATM either.

IMO, Uzi, Burns, Harris, in that order. The rest arent up to it. Uzi is the only proven record of the 3, but Burns hasnt had the consistent selection yet.
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Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:19 pm
Northern Raider wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:13 pm
Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 1:37 pm @Northern Raider,
@julian87,
@-TW-,
@PJ,
Who should be Warner's opening partner?
Who should be the next opener in line?

Coz I feel like all our options at the moment stink.

Burns has technique flaws IMO. An opening batsmen who doesnt keep bat and pad together. However, it is his turn.
Harris is Harris IMO. A solid player, that can dig in, but wont be better than that.
Bancroft knows how to get selected with scores in the selection trial, but how he gets that chance?!?!
Renshaw seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Uzi has dropped out of favor again IMO, but at the same time, class is class, and he avgs 40 in Tests and 52 in Australia. With lack of options this is where Id go.
SMarsh... dare I bring him up?!?!?
Finch... :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're asking the same question multiple times. Burns is Warner's opening partner. He's been decent at both domestic and test level for some time. The spot should be his until such time as somebody else surpasses him. So far nobody has and selectors should stop throwing darts hoping to land on one. The only current alternative worth considering is to recall Usi as opener.
TBF,
The 1st time was the Ashes... the selections were a bust.
The other day it was 'who out of Burns and Bangers', given the selections.
Today, if you were selector it would be?

All this points to, is that our options stink, and there dont seem to be any coming through ATM either.

IMO, Uzi, Burns, Harris, in that order. The rest arent up to it. Uzi is the only proven record of the 3, but Burns hasnt had the consistent selection yet.
If a guy who averages 40+ and scored a century in his last test "stinks" then I'm all for a smelly option. I can only say so many times that Burns should at least be given a decent chance to establish his spot.
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Northern Raider wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:23 pm
Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:19 pm
Northern Raider wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:13 pm
Matt wrote: November 18, 2019, 1:37 pm @Northern Raider,
@julian87,
@-TW-,
@PJ,
Who should be Warner's opening partner?
Who should be the next opener in line?

Coz I feel like all our options at the moment stink.

Burns has technique flaws IMO. An opening batsmen who doesnt keep bat and pad together. However, it is his turn.
Harris is Harris IMO. A solid player, that can dig in, but wont be better than that.
Bancroft knows how to get selected with scores in the selection trial, but how he gets that chance?!?!
Renshaw seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Uzi has dropped out of favor again IMO, but at the same time, class is class, and he avgs 40 in Tests and 52 in Australia. With lack of options this is where Id go.
SMarsh... dare I bring him up?!?!?
Finch... :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're asking the same question multiple times. Burns is Warner's opening partner. He's been decent at both domestic and test level for some time. The spot should be his until such time as somebody else surpasses him. So far nobody has and selectors should stop throwing darts hoping to land on one. The only current alternative worth considering is to recall Usi as opener.
TBF,
The 1st time was the Ashes... the selections were a bust.
The other day it was 'who out of Burns and Bangers', given the selections.
Today, if you were selector it would be?

All this points to, is that our options stink, and there dont seem to be any coming through ATM either.

IMO, Uzi, Burns, Harris, in that order. The rest arent up to it. Uzi is the only proven record of the 3, but Burns hasnt had the consistent selection yet.
If a guy who averages 40+ and scored a century in his last test "stinks" then I'm all for a smelly option. I can only say so many times that Burns should at least be given a decent chance to establish his spot.
I agree its his turn.
I also agreed it was tough that he lost his spot post the SL series. He did get sick around that time, which didnt help.
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Burns had a very good start to his test career. Was averaging around 50 until losing form on the tour of Sri Lanka wher he went 4 innings with a high score of 29. This saw him dropped, even though he scored 170 and 65 in his prior test. He was recalled for a single test against South Africa in Hobart where Australia got flogged and he got dropped again. His next test was a late inclusion for the last test in South Africa following Sandpapergate. The whole team was on a hiding to nothing there but he still managed 42 in the 2nd dig. Given another go last summer against Sri Lanka, scored 180 in the 2nd test and got dropped again.

Regardless of any perceived technical issues the guy at least deserves a fair go.
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I'm not too fussed with who gets the spot in Brissie on Thursday.

Once they all start failing they'll all get rotated through I'm guessing.

Burns, Harris, Renshaw, Bancroft etc.
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-PJ- wrote: November 18, 2019, 2:45 pm I'm not too fussed with who gets the spot in Brissie on Thursday.

Once they all start failing they'll all get rotated through I'm guessing.

Burns, Harris, Renshaw, Bancroft etc.
If Burns busts then Usi should be next in line. Those other 3 should only be considered on the back of plenty of runs at domestic level.
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Khawaja

Doolan 2nd in line for mine.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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The likely XI tomorrow has no surpises:
Warner
Burns
Labu
Smith
Head
Wade
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

Im guessing Neser is 12th
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Strong side.
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Strong bowling unit. Batting still could be frail.

If Abbas is on Pakis could be a shout imo
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Pakistan at 8.60 for this test is pretty ridiculous despite the history against them. Pretty even sides and their batting is arguably stronger than Australia’s.
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julian87 wrote: November 21, 2019, 8:28 am Pakistan at 8.60 for this test is pretty ridiculous despite the history against them. Pretty even sides and their batting is arguably stronger than Australia’s.
That's big overs given the fragility of the Aussie batting line up.
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