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Funnily enough I think Marnus is worth a shout with the ball on this pitch.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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raiderskater wrote: August 18, 2019, 9:21 pm Big news that Smith woke up with a headache and feeling dizzy - that's bad. Australia are applying for a concussion sub. Laubuschagne(sp?) will be the one to bat if approved.
Big news. with the next test match only 3 days away we may not have him back, and we know how terrible our batting line-up is without him
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julian87 wrote: August 18, 2019, 10:11 pm Funnily enough I think Marnus is worth a shout with the ball on this pitch.
Absolutely. He could be tricky on this deck hitting those foot marks.
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It's all ok, our #4 stood up in the 4th innings too. Oh wait... 59 from Labu. Hmmmm....
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Super sub Labuschange!

No surprises a failure from Usman again. He’ll score a ton.... when we least require it.... and lock himself in for another 2-3 series.
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There’s something about Labuschagne. His record isn’t out of this world. But given what he’s been doing in county cricket this season I think he probably should be in the 11.

He looks a test cricketer.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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What's Warner doin ?

What's he averaging over 4 innings ?

Is Mrs Warner and the sprogs in ENG ?

Is there a distraction that's stopping him from slapping runs ?
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More failures for our awesome openers, keep picking them
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Makaveli wrote: August 19, 2019, 7:22 am More failures for our awesome openers, keep picking them
Top order is useless.

Bancroft is gone, Usman -I said after the last test he drove me nuts and you can see why just doesn't contribute enough.

Surely they have to pick marnus, showed guts

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Some Aussie series averages so far.

Warner 4.50
Bancroft 11.00
Paine 16.50
Khawaja 22.75

All going poorly and need to perform next test. Bancroft may not even get that chance.

Wade on 29.50 is a conundrum. One big score and 3 failures. Next test could reveal more about his position. Either solidify it make it look shakey.
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Warner 4.50 avg.

Is it the Duke ball ?
The ENG pitches ?
His wife shopping all day ?
Is he still in WC mode ?
Impatient ?
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Paine sucking is nothing new. Looking forward to this summer with his continued contributions of 16 (70) every game
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-PJ- wrote: August 19, 2019, 8:29 am Warner 4.50 avg.

Is it the Duke ball ?
The ENG pitches ?
His wife shopping all day ?
Is he still in WC mode ?
Impatient ?
The ball he got from Archer last night was pretty good. Just did enough to get the edge.
Broad has owned him in his career, esp over there. Id say it has a lot to do with the pitch/ ball.
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OK...
The Smith conundrum isnt solvable, it just isnt, he is too good. BUT, at least Labu has put his hand up for bat at 4 should Smith not be right, and shows some fighting qualities.

If I were selecting the XI for Headingely, from the squad available, Id go:
Harris - Bancroft had his chance, and bar a blinder at bat pad, has done very little.
Warner - Form is terrible, both bat and catching, which is a worry, but class is forever.
Khawaja - Only has a couple of decent starts in the series (40 in the 1st Test and a 36 in the 2nd). Needs a 50+ soon, or he will be on shaky ground again.
Smith - BPB (Best post Bradman - BSB is already taken) - Labu should he not be right
Head - scores of 35, 51, (109* vs Worcester) and 42*. He has been solid and reliable.
Wade - Needs another score, but a 100 in the 1st Test will give him a bit of latitude in the series Id say, esp with Paine not scoring. Again, Labu must be breathing down his neck here.

Paine - His last 50 in Test cricket was 16 innings ago. He was 45* vs Sri Lanka in Canberra in Feb, which is 5 Test innings ago. I know he is our best gloveman, and the captain, but how long is this going to last? I realize its unlikely that he loses his job this series, but I really hope come our summer that Carey has been training the house down, and getting some runs under his belt.

Cummins - Easy pick. A pair of 3 for's, and a very handy 80 ball 20 in the 1st innings.
Hazelwood - Was miserly, and picked up 3 for in the 1st innings. Id take him over Siddle, as the 'accurate workhorse'.
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Im torn on Pattinson and Starc. Might be nice to fight fire with fire, Starc vs Archer. Starc is the best swing bowler we have, and he has all sorts of wicket records for his country, so in swinging conditions hard to look past. With a fragile batting lineup, I can see why Starc's high econ rate is being used as the issue, so you go Pattinson, and his 47 proves his lower order runs could be invaluable.
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Even if Smith plays, Labu should be in there based on that one innings alone. Harris in for Bancroft who has no idea.

Khawaja is useless but not really any better options are there.
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Makaveli wrote:Paine sucking is nothing new. Looking forward to this summer with his continued contributions of 16 (70) every game
You know he'll score a "gritty" 60 or 70 in the 5th test that will cement his spot

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in fairness to siddle he had burns out 3 times in 2 innings, should have taken 3 for and 2 for.
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-PJ- wrote: August 19, 2019, 8:29 am Warner 4.50 avg.

Is it the Duke ball ?
The ENG pitches ?
His wife shopping all day ?
Is he still in WC mode ?
Impatient ?
I wouldn't mind some WC mode Warner right now. Wasn't he top scorer? (he actually played test mode in WC, very cautious starts).

He's too nicey nicey smiling all the time now. Must be exhausting putting on that act.
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julian87 wrote: August 19, 2019, 7:02 am There’s something about Labuschagne. His record isn’t out of this world. But given what he’s been doing in county cricket this season I think he probably should be in the 11.

He looks a test cricketer.
Australia's version of James Vince. Looks the part at the crease but scores don't reflect the same quality.

Labuschagne still young so plenty of time to build his career. Steve Smith originally came in as a batting all-rounder and had a similar record at the same stage. In fact Smith took 12 tests before cracking his first ton and was averaging 29.00 up until that point. Will now go down as one of the best ever.
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BadnMean wrote: August 19, 2019, 12:32 pm
-PJ- wrote: August 19, 2019, 8:29 am Warner 4.50 avg.

Is it the Duke ball ?
The ENG pitches ?
His wife shopping all day ?
Is he still in WC mode ?
Impatient ?
I wouldn't mind some WC mode Warner right now. Wasn't he top scorer? (he actually played test mode in WC, very cautious starts).

He's too nicey nicey smiling all the time now. Must be exhausting putting on that act.
A bit hesitant maybe and finds himself fending at balls he should either leave or smash. Come from lack of time at the crease in red ball cricket. I think he's one innings away from regaining confidence in this format.
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BadnMean wrote: August 19, 2019, 12:32 pm
-PJ- wrote: August 19, 2019, 8:29 am Warner 4.50 avg.

Is it the Duke ball ?
The ENG pitches ?
His wife shopping all day ?
Is he still in WC mode ?
Impatient ?
I wouldn't mind some WC mode Warner right now. Wasn't he top scorer? (he actually played test mode in WC, very cautious starts).

He's too nicey nicey smiling all the time now. Must be exhausting putting on that act.
He was, yes.
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World Cup Warner didn’t have to face a Dukes ball on seaming wickets.
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I have to hand it to Marnus. Going from 12th man to suddenly not only playing but needing to score runs on the very last day of a Test, and doing so without hesitation!, is an incredible testament to his professionalism and grit. Five stars, and a well-deserved pick for the next Test as Smith's replacement if required, IMO.
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Marnus didn’t perform well enough in the first innings for my liking.


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Northern Raider wrote: August 19, 2019, 12:33 pm
julian87 wrote: August 19, 2019, 7:02 am There’s something about Labuschagne. His record isn’t out of this world. But given what he’s been doing in county cricket this season I think he probably should be in the 11.

He looks a test cricketer.
Australia's version of James Vince. Looks the part at the crease but scores don't reflect the same quality.

Labuschagne still young so plenty of time to build his career. Steve Smith originally came in as a batting all-rounder and had a similar record at the same stage. In fact Smith took 12 tests before cracking his first ton and was averaging 29.00 up until that point. Will now go down as one of the best ever.
While we are on comparisions...

Is Steve Smith our Brian Lara? (Which would make Warner either Carl Hooper or Jimmy Adams.)

A mercurial, once in a generation player, who could score against anyone, and go big. However, if they failed their team was likely skittled. Such is the reliance on the 1 batsmen.
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Matt wrote: August 19, 2019, 2:16 pm
Northern Raider wrote: August 19, 2019, 12:33 pm
julian87 wrote: August 19, 2019, 7:02 am There’s something about Labuschagne. His record isn’t out of this world. But given what he’s been doing in county cricket this season I think he probably should be in the 11.

He looks a test cricketer.
Australia's version of James Vince. Looks the part at the crease but scores don't reflect the same quality.

Labuschagne still young so plenty of time to build his career. Steve Smith originally came in as a batting all-rounder and had a similar record at the same stage. In fact Smith took 12 tests before cracking his first ton and was averaging 29.00 up until that point. Will now go down as one of the best ever.
While we are on comparisions...

Is Steve Smith our Brian Lara? (Which would make Warner either Carl Hooper or Jimmy Adams.)

A mercurial, once in a generation player, who could score against anyone, and go big. However, if they failed their team was likely skittled. Such is the reliance on the 1 batsmen.
Other than being the stand out batsman in the team I don't see much comparison between Smith and Lara. Smith is one of the most dominating batsmen we've seen in a long time. He puts a high price on his wicket, occupies the crease for long periods and consistently builds scores. Lara was a guy who would destroy any attacked when he got going but you always felt like a chance of getting him early as he was a bit streaky. I'd put Lara alonside guys like Ponting and Waugh. Smith is on a whole other level.

I should add that Lara had some very solid guys supporting him like Chanderpaul and Sarwan
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Lara was one of my favourite batsmen to watch when he got going. Flamboyant backlift and aggressive style of play - probably not as consistent as Tendulkar but played some amazing innings (he single handedly dragged the windies back into a test series against Australia in 1999 from memory - Steve Waugh's first as captain).
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Azza wrote: August 19, 2019, 4:07 pm Lara was one of my favourite batsmen to watch when he got going. Flamboyant backlift and aggressive style of play - probably not as consistent as Tendulkar but played some amazing innings (he single handedly dragged the windies back into a test series against Australia in 1999 from memory - Steve Waugh's first as captain).
He was the danger man and most prized wicket when playing the Windies. Chanderpaul was their rock.
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Good points NR, I agree Smith is on another level above Ponting/Waugh at the moment.

Unlike those 2 players, Smith hasnt got the benefit of a gun batting line-up around him, making his performances all the more incredible.
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Northern Raider wrote: August 19, 2019, 3:43 pm
Matt wrote: August 19, 2019, 2:16 pm
Northern Raider wrote: August 19, 2019, 12:33 pm
julian87 wrote: August 19, 2019, 7:02 am There’s something about Labuschagne. His record isn’t out of this world. But given what he’s been doing in county cricket this season I think he probably should be in the 11.

He looks a test cricketer.
Australia's version of James Vince. Looks the part at the crease but scores don't reflect the same quality.

Labuschagne still young so plenty of time to build his career. Steve Smith originally came in as a batting all-rounder and had a similar record at the same stage. In fact Smith took 12 tests before cracking his first ton and was averaging 29.00 up until that point. Will now go down as one of the best ever.
While we are on comparisions...

Is Steve Smith our Brian Lara? (Which would make Warner either Carl Hooper or Jimmy Adams.)

A mercurial, once in a generation player, who could score against anyone, and go big. However, if they failed their team was likely skittled. Such is the reliance on the 1 batsmen.
Other than being the stand out batsman in the team I don't see much comparison between Smith and Lara. Smith is one of the most dominating batsmen we've seen in a long time. He puts a high price on his wicket, occupies the crease for long periods and consistently builds scores. Lara was a guy who would destroy any attacked when he got going but you always felt like a chance of getting him early as he was a bit streaky. I'd put Lara alonside guys like Ponting and Waugh. Smith is on a whole other level.

I should add that Lara had some very solid guys supporting him like Chanderpaul and Sarwan
Sarwan was ok.
Chanderpaul was very good.
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yeh raiders wrote: August 19, 2019, 4:42 pm Good points NR, I agree Smith is on another level above Ponting/Waugh at the moment.

Unlike those 2 players, Smith hasnt got the benefit of a gun batting line-up around him, making his performances all the more incredible.
This was really the point I was trying to make. Not a huge supporting cast
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yeh raiders wrote: August 19, 2019, 4:42 pm Good points NR, I agree Smith is on another level above Ponting/Waugh at the moment.

Unlike those 2 players, Smith hasnt got the benefit of a gun batting line-up around him, making his performances all the more incredible.
As an Englishman, I'd still rather see Smith walking to the wicket than Waugh.

I take your point that Waugh was often coming to the wicket when the opposition were already demoralised, but I also think he played in a era with better bowlers.

There are no Ambrose and Walsh, Wasim and Waqar or Donald and Pollack equivalents today. Even the likes of Kumble and Mushtaq are probably unmatched as test bowlers today.

If Smith's form holds, he'll be catching Waugh up pretty quickly.
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My memories of S Waugh was that he often scored runs when the team most needed them. I recall him pulling Australia out of the **** on many occasions and putting on long partnerships with the tail.
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I've been frustrated by the hate Smith has copped over sand paper gate, he was the captain who didn't stop them not his idea and not the perpetrator - he's been unfairly punished imo. Maybe one day we'll find out more.
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